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On December 01 2014 22:10 Kipsate wrote:Spoiler FSN: + Show Spoiler +Sakura was a master but she gave her command seals and Rider to Shinji because she didn't want to participate., Afaik the Matou family no longer has any heirs that have a strong magic affinity, also one of the reasons why the Matou family was so desperate for Sakura. In order to see the Sakura plot being resolved you will have to read FSN: Heavens feel route(sakura's route) or wait till Ufotable cranks out its movies(which will most likely be cramped)
+ Show Spoiler + Ah ok, ty. It (incorrectly) seemed to me that kariya was the last remaining family, and he died at the end so the family died out. But if he actually just was the last one with stronger magic affinity and did have non-magic family then everything makes sense ^^. After reading a bit about just fate zero on the wiki just now it seems kiritsugu actually interrogated one of this family members, it was not really very clear for me in the anime though so I just assumed it was like a servant or acquaintance and then forgot about it. Well looking forward to the sakura story film, or mb ill just read it after all.
On December 01 2014 21:59 Numy wrote: This is kind of the problem with watching F/Z without seeing F/SN, you're reading a story out of order so instead of the second one building on the first you got certain expectations you shouldn't have in the first which makes things confusing. Sakura is dealt with mostly in the last route(Heaven's Feel) so I don't know if you'll get all the answers in UBW or until HF since my memory is a bit shoddy.
+ Show Spoiler + Nah not necessarily confusing I just understood something badly in fate. I think knowing two pieces of the story but not the link in the middle is actually quite exiting.
+ Show Spoiler + On topic of fate zero vs fate stay night there's another (actual?) difference: In fate zero it seemed basically assumed that mortal people, even mages, where completely defenseless before servants and should stay the fuck away from them (like during battles). In fate stay night however u see the main characters holding their own vs several servant's (rider and lancer). I guess this is because of all the bad/incomplete/wrong summoning's like happened with rin and shirou both (in contrast to zero where everyone made theirs extra strong). (With caster killing her master, r and s wasting seals and doing wh, shinji not even being a mage; everyone flailing around because the 'real' magicians died out seems like a theme in f sn ^^) But it was still weird having saber say she was not holding back vs shirou in practice, when she earlier matched up to berserker (who def was correctly summoned etc in contrast to the rest).
Btw can anyone tell me where fate sn deviates from fate sn ubw? I started watching the whole thing but watching the same thing worse in the first couple eps was kinda boring.
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If your watching the older FSN that covers the Fate route I would say you mise well just pack it in and go DL the VN. Much better experience. Plus the old F/SN anime has a bunch of anime only stuff that is pretty bad.
Also with regards to power levels between Masters and Servants + Show Spoiler +Well I would say the F/Z masters were stronger as a group, but Rin and Ilya are pretty strong in their own right. In F/SN the Servants > Masters rule is also in effect, I don't see how you think otherwise. Shirou got toyed with when he was encountering Lancer and Rider. That is something that causes Saber and Rin a lot of frustration: that Shirou tries to fight servants. He just has plot armor that is why he isn't dead. All throughout the series he comes very close to death many many times (there is a reason that is told in Fate why he survives a lot of his wounds). The only thing that is irregular is that Servants like Rider/Caster who are not "heros" can be summoned now because of some tom foolery by one of the families in a previous war. Also Spoiler about Assassin + Show Spoiler + He is not the actual assassin he is a "fake" one summoned by Caster and not the actual servant that is supposed to be summoned for the class. One note about Saber is 1) ofc she is holding back and 2) she is gimped by having Shirou as a master and by the incorrect summoning.
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+ Show Spoiler + The spoiler is not really a spoiler, it was kinda said in the archer caster conversation if i rmbr correctly, though i was not 100% sure there was another assassin untill now ofc. They did toy with him but rider did retreat when rin came, though now i think about it that might just been shinji still wanting to be friends with rin/not wanting to hurt her. So everything's normal i guess, ty. I do realize point 2, and in general servants are a bit weaker here right? No double mana source or gilgamesh. Though mb there will be some op ones to come yet for me to see . Edit: also based on shinji's babble before fight rider got just killed by either a known to him human or servant posing as a the human right, guess it could always be 2nd one? The sword/scabbard/wh in black background that kept coming up in fate stay night (non ubw) kinda spoiled me why shirou probably survives ^^.
Will try a VN i guess, never did that before. If it's fun ill get the sakura one aswell.
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On December 02 2014 01:16 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 19:04 Sterlymobile wrote:Anyone still watching Ushinawareta Mirai o Motomete? I dropped it a bit ago since it did not seem that good. Log Horizon 8 + Show Spoiler +Nice episode to see how Shiroe and company are doing during Christmas Eve. We still don't know what they are doing currently since Akatsuki just defeated the Guard dude on New Year's. I really don't get the Moon part.Shiroe thinks they are on the test server which is on the Moon? whaaaaaa? The moon part, you know how the servers are based on real locations on earth, europe server, murica server, jp server and such, similarly test server is based on moon. Not all that hard to imagine, though they can choose antarctic or something.
Yeah I really shouldn't be watching shows at 3 am lol. I guess i got confused because I don't know if they talked about their server itself but does the scene supposed to make you think that everyone is on the test server?
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On December 02 2014 07:56 Algis wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The spoiler is not really a spoiler, it was kinda said in the archer caster conversation if i rmbr correctly, though i was not 100% sure there was another assassin untill now ofc. They did toy with him but rider did retreat when rin came, though now i think about it that might just been shinji still wanting to be friends with rin/not wanting to hurt her. So everything's normal i guess, ty. I do realize point 2, and in general servants are a bit weaker here right? No double mana source or gilgamesh. Though mb there will be some op ones to come yet for me to see . The sword/scabbard/wh in black background that kept coming up in fate stay night (non ubw) kinda spoiled me why shirou probably survives ^^. Will try a VN i guess, never did that before. If it's fun ill get the sakura one aswell. + Show Spoiler +Rider as she is in Fate and UBW is probably the weakest servant, stat wise. She has a really powerful Noble Phantasm if it gets that far, but stat wise shes shit.
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+ Show Spoiler + Ah ty, i remember ppl on this thread saying something about her never being able to use it. Well ill have to watch/play the VN to find out who she is and what that phantasm is then
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One cool thing about Fate/HA is that it gives some background scenes for the other servants. Right now I am at like 86% completion of one of the tickets. Do the tickets matter at the start of the VN? Or are they essentially the "saved game progress" since this VN doesn't have the conventional saving system where you can save multiple times.
Edit: Lol the power of Saber's ahoge
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Cross-Ange + Show Spoiler +Cruel sisters! You monsterrrrrrrrrrrrr
Bahamut + Show Spoiler +Oh wow, is it the end for Jeanne D'Arc? Are they going to follow history? :O Don't kill best/2nd best girl
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On December 02 2014 12:05 Slaughter wrote: One cool thing about Fate/HA is that it gives some background scenes for the other servants. Right now I am at like 86% completion of one of the tickets. Do the tickets matter at the start of the VN? Or are they essentially the "saved game progress" since this VN doesn't have the conventional saving system where you can save multiple times.
Edit: Lol the power of Saber's ahoge
+ Show Spoiler [Nothing too spoily] + I'm just over half-way though Fate/HA and while I'm enjoying it, it seems to be mainly fan service (mostly in the form of casual interactions between characters that didn't get enough screen time originally). It's not bad, it's just 90% of the scenes seem to be irrelevant to the plot.
Though I have to say I almost always dread interaction with Sakura now, since the vast majority of her conversations are banal and related to making lunch and dinner...
Also find the time travel thing a bit... inconsistent I guess? I mean, things happen, but then sometimes people remember what happened, and other times they don't. We take out Archer, then he's no longer guarding the area, but so far his reasoning as to why he stopped is unexplained, since he should have just reverted back to his normal state on the first day where he wanted to guard the area (or if he remembered, he should want revenge). I guess I could nitpick a bit more by saying I find it odd how the same character can be in multiple different places at the same time of day. Maybe the reasons will be explained later I guess.
Oh well, still a fun ride for the most part.
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On December 02 2014 12:45 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 12:05 Slaughter wrote: One cool thing about Fate/HA is that it gives some background scenes for the other servants. Right now I am at like 86% completion of one of the tickets. Do the tickets matter at the start of the VN? Or are they essentially the "saved game progress" since this VN doesn't have the conventional saving system where you can save multiple times.
Edit: Lol the power of Saber's ahoge + Show Spoiler [Nothing too spoily] + I'm just over half-way though Fate/HA and while I'm enjoying it, it seems to be mainly fan service (mostly in the form of casual interactions between characters that didn't get enough screen time originally). It's not bad, it's just 90% of the scenes seem to be irrelevant to the plot.
Though I have to say I almost always dread interaction with Sakura now, since the vast majority of her conversations are banal and related to making lunch and dinner...
Also find the time travel thing a bit... inconsistent I guess? I mean, things happen, but then sometimes people remember what happened, and other times they don't. We take out Archer, then he's no longer guarding the area, but so far his reasoning as to why he stopped is unexplained, since he should have just reverted back to his normal state on the first day where he wanted to guard the area (or if he remembered, he should want revenge). I guess I could nitpick a bit more by saying I find it odd how the same character can be in multiple different places at the same time of day. Maybe the reasons will be explained later I guess.
Oh well, still a fun ride for the most part.
+ Show Spoiler +Or related to them wanting to fuck like rabbits. Sasuga Sakura, most everything related to her involves cooking or sex. Just like in FSN.
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On December 02 2014 12:45 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 12:05 Slaughter wrote: One cool thing about Fate/HA is that it gives some background scenes for the other servants. Right now I am at like 86% completion of one of the tickets. Do the tickets matter at the start of the VN? Or are they essentially the "saved game progress" since this VN doesn't have the conventional saving system where you can save multiple times.
Edit: Lol the power of Saber's ahoge + Show Spoiler [Nothing too spoily] + I'm just over half-way though Fate/HA and while I'm enjoying it, it seems to be mainly fan service (mostly in the form of casual interactions between characters that didn't get enough screen time originally). It's not bad, it's just 90% of the scenes seem to be irrelevant to the plot.
Though I have to say I almost always dread interaction with Sakura now, since the vast majority of her conversations are banal and related to making lunch and dinner...
Also find the time travel thing a bit... inconsistent I guess? I mean, things happen, but then sometimes people remember what happened, and other times they don't. We take out Archer, then he's no longer guarding the area, but so far his reasoning as to why he stopped is unexplained, since he should have just reverted back to his normal state on the first day where he wanted to guard the area (or if he remembered, he should want revenge). I guess I could nitpick a bit more by saying I find it odd how the same character can be in multiple different places at the same time of day. Maybe the reasons will be explained later I guess.
Oh well, still a fun ride for the most part.
Its not just you, the story is inconsistent as fuck if you think about it. But it is a fan disc for just more character interaction, some comedy/silly scenes, and some added background info. Not like any of it is considered canon (at least it shouldn't be).
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On December 02 2014 12:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 12:45 killa_robot wrote:On December 02 2014 12:05 Slaughter wrote: One cool thing about Fate/HA is that it gives some background scenes for the other servants. Right now I am at like 86% completion of one of the tickets. Do the tickets matter at the start of the VN? Or are they essentially the "saved game progress" since this VN doesn't have the conventional saving system where you can save multiple times.
Edit: Lol the power of Saber's ahoge + Show Spoiler [Nothing too spoily] + I'm just over half-way though Fate/HA and while I'm enjoying it, it seems to be mainly fan service (mostly in the form of casual interactions between characters that didn't get enough screen time originally). It's not bad, it's just 90% of the scenes seem to be irrelevant to the plot.
Though I have to say I almost always dread interaction with Sakura now, since the vast majority of her conversations are banal and related to making lunch and dinner...
Also find the time travel thing a bit... inconsistent I guess? I mean, things happen, but then sometimes people remember what happened, and other times they don't. We take out Archer, then he's no longer guarding the area, but so far his reasoning as to why he stopped is unexplained, since he should have just reverted back to his normal state on the first day where he wanted to guard the area (or if he remembered, he should want revenge). I guess I could nitpick a bit more by saying I find it odd how the same character can be in multiple different places at the same time of day. Maybe the reasons will be explained later I guess.
Oh well, still a fun ride for the most part.
+ Show Spoiler +Or related to them wanting to fuck like rabbits. Sasuga Sakura, most everything related to her involves cooking or sex. Just like in FSN.
Nothing wrong with a girl that wants to be on her back most of the day.
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On November 28 2014 19:24 Toadesstern wrote:Amagi Brilliant Park EASILY best episode so far. Not even beach episode comes close to this Here's an interesting twist: + Show Spoiler +so they had 4 trials and all of them were supposed to show that one of them can't do one thing but they get through with friendship and the ones being good carrying the noobs, correct? First one, Lina couldn't sing. Second one, Earth couldn't dance. Third one, Water couldn't type. But what was the fourth one and why did they show Water instead of Wind? Because it's not socially acceptable to make fun of people's intelligence and you can't show that on TV. You wouldn't just bully a kid with downs, would you? Clearly Wind's lacking in that regard and probably didn't understand the task at hand but because they couldn't show that, they ended up showing Water to push that "friendship" theme real hard.
Now here's the thing. If Water pressed correctly because friendship and Wind is mentally challenged resulting in pressing the wrong button that means that someone else pressed the wrong button as well to make up for it. I'm just going to assume that Water pressed Water and Lina pressed Lina at this point because we saw Water pressing Water and the second one because #Friendship. That leaves us with Wind pressing Earth (had she pressed Lina or Water one of them would have died), not out of ill intentions but just because she's not the smartest one around. That leaves us with the conclusion that Earth is a backstabbing bitch that pressed Wind to save her own ass, only to realize that Wind screwed up resulting in happy end.
None of the other 3 realizes that because Wind doesn't know she didn't understand the task. Water and Lina pressed the right buttons and think everyone did because noone died and no drama à la "OMG SOME OF YOU BITCHES PRESSED MY BUTTON INSTEAD OF HER OWN" afterwards. Only Earth knows that she tried to murder Wind That's what happened. They couldn't show it on TV because it's a kids show
I remembered this when I was watching this episode and decided to comment. Is that what really happened in the source or is that what you think happened?
If you think that Wind is not so smart then she could of easily just picked herself since its a picture of her. Although you do make some good points why would Earth try to murder Wind when she just saved her in the dancing trial.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Heaven's Feel is a great route except for the fact that Sakura(which is odd considering shes the main plot device) is in it -.-. She is just incredibly annoying.
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I completely forgot Amagi Park (I'm just following PP S2 this season). I was enjoying that one, I might pick it up where I left it. Is Garo good? It felt like it could be good in the first 3 episodes, but it was a bit bland too, maybe due to a slow start. Does it pick up pace?
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On December 02 2014 20:40 ZenithM wrote: I completely forgot Amagi Park (I'm just following PP S2 this season). I was enjoying that one, I might pick it up where I left it. Is Garo good? It felt like it could be good in the first 3 episodes, but it was a bit bland too, maybe due to a slow start. Does it pick up pace? It's decent, but not extremely awesome. I'm liking it though, the last episode was fairly fun to watch.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I thought the elemental girls would get more screentime but they are almost irrelevant
thus its not as much fun as I would want it to be , its oke.
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On December 02 2014 20:31 Sterlymobile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 19:24 Toadesstern wrote:Amagi Brilliant Park EASILY best episode so far. Not even beach episode comes close to this Here's an interesting twist: + Show Spoiler +so they had 4 trials and all of them were supposed to show that one of them can't do one thing but they get through with friendship and the ones being good carrying the noobs, correct? First one, Lina couldn't sing. Second one, Earth couldn't dance. Third one, Water couldn't type. But what was the fourth one and why did they show Water instead of Wind? Because it's not socially acceptable to make fun of people's intelligence and you can't show that on TV. You wouldn't just bully a kid with downs, would you? Clearly Wind's lacking in that regard and probably didn't understand the task at hand but because they couldn't show that, they ended up showing Water to push that "friendship" theme real hard.
Now here's the thing. If Water pressed correctly because friendship and Wind is mentally challenged resulting in pressing the wrong button that means that someone else pressed the wrong button as well to make up for it. I'm just going to assume that Water pressed Water and Lina pressed Lina at this point because we saw Water pressing Water and the second one because #Friendship. That leaves us with Wind pressing Earth (had she pressed Lina or Water one of them would have died), not out of ill intentions but just because she's not the smartest one around. That leaves us with the conclusion that Earth is a backstabbing bitch that pressed Wind to save her own ass, only to realize that Wind screwed up resulting in happy end.
None of the other 3 realizes that because Wind doesn't know she didn't understand the task. Water and Lina pressed the right buttons and think everyone did because noone died and no drama à la "OMG SOME OF YOU BITCHES PRESSED MY BUTTON INSTEAD OF HER OWN" afterwards. Only Earth knows that she tried to murder Wind That's what happened. They couldn't show it on TV because it's a kids show I remembered this when I was watching this episode and decided to comment. Is that what really happened in the source or is that what you think happened? If you think that Wind is not so smart then she could of easily just picked herself since its a picture of her. Although you do make some good points why would Earth try to murder Wind when she just saved her in the dancing trial.
Toad's theory doesn't really make much sense and is pretty much just there because he dislikes Earth most likely or wants her to backstab. If Wind is as challenged as is assumed why would it make sense for her to click on Earth instead of herself. She seems perfectly able to read and even if she misunderstood it clicking on herself makes sense if you given a lineup of 4 people without any outside knowledge it then clicking yourself makes sense which would have been Winds thought process.
I see it as them not showing Wind because that wouldn't be as interesting as showing Water struggling and sacrificing. Wind basically doesn't hesitate in anything she does so she'll have just clicked herself without any thought or inner monologue. Wind is clearly intelligent enough to understand all the other tasks and save her friend when she needs to so just assuming she doesn't understand the last one is pretty silly. If anything Toad is making fun of Wind more than the show is.
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On December 02 2014 07:28 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 07:22 Sentenal wrote:On December 01 2014 21:42 Algis wrote:Hey There's something i've been wondering about F/SN UBW for a while and i'm reluctant to google around cuz don't want to be spoiled too bad + Show Spoiler [F SN UBW/Zero] + In F/Zero sakura is adopted into the matou family cuz they have no heirs, but in F/SN UBW there is a brother of about her age, where does he come from? Is he rly related the old matou man? Also is he rly a mage or what, last episode seemed to show that he is very weak at the least? Why is sakura not a master? She got raped by worms so she's prolly a bit fucked in her mind but she's at least was pretty strong magic wise being rin's sister and all right?
Real cool episode btw, from shinji's babble during the attack i assume it's someone from the school so actually caster's master? Unless a servant can take the place of regular human without mage's or servant's sensing it, he did call it "it" later on. Don't wanna get spoiled on this though btw, just commenting on the episode.
+ Show Spoiler +Shinji is the true first born of the Matous. However, the Matou family ran dry on Magic Circuits, so to speak, in Shinji's father's generation. So Shinji was born with no Magic Circuits, meaning that while he is from a family of mages, he can't actually use magic. Thats why they went out of their way to adopt Sakura into their family, since she does have Magic Circuits. The following is spoilers you finally learn in Heaven's Feel: + Show Spoiler +Sakura didn't want to fight in the Holy Grail War, and Shinji did. So Sakura gives Shinji her command seals and Servant, Rider, for him to compete. In Heaven's Feel, the route where Shirou and Sakura get romantically involved, shit happens to piss off Zouken due to Shinji's incompetence, and he basically forces Sakura into the war. For the record, I think they could do HF just fine in 1 movie, considering 90% of the route is either sex or cooking. In regards to Heaven's Feel + Show Spoiler +I forget what exactly started Sakura on the whole "becoming the dark thing that eats everything"? I forgot what the trigger was (since she didn't go evil in the other routes). I remember there was some talk with Zouken after he personally witnessed how bad Shinji is but didn't he give the impression that he was fine with Sakura not doing anything at first? I am pretty sure it was Sakura/black thing that took out Assassin and that is how Zouken was able to summon True Assassin. I can't remember that middling part or what exactly was "dark Sakura" because at the end she was like taken over by the grail but before that? Bah shouldn't have breezed through the route so fast
+ Show Spoiler +Shinji tries to rape her an expose everything to Shirou iirc
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On November 28 2014 19:24 Toadesstern wrote: But what was the fourth one and why did they show Water instead of Wind?
The logical conclusion is that Wind has no weakness.
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