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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
No just saying that NTR is way worse then futa. Both aren't something I want to be involved with but + Show Spoiler + I would prefer having an awkward conversation at the end of a date before going our separate ways then having my wife raped in front of me. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:09 Souma wrote: Toad, have you seen Bible Black? Maybe that will show you the light. I have not and I will not | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Toad: You cannot be a true anime fan until you do. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
playing the vn is always better... xD | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:14 Slaughter wrote: No just saying that NTR is way worse then futa. Both aren't something I want to be involved with but + Show Spoiler + I would prefer having an awkward conversation at the end of a date before going our separate ways then having my wife raped in front of me. I think we found different things when we googled oO NTR Japanese acronym for Netorare, used to define a genre of Eroge (Hentai Game), meaning "Cuckold". In short, the main protagonist's loved one(s) are taken or seduced away from him and the heroine might be willing or unwilling. This is to cause an emotion of deep jealousy on the reader. That crazy Brazilian guy loves NTR games. On May 17 2014 06:19 Souma wrote: NTR is not about rape, it's about stealing someone's lover/love interest lol. Toad: You cannot be a true anime fan until you do. fine with me, I'm destined to be an Emnjay anyways. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:19 Souma wrote: NTR is not about rape, it's about stealing someone's lover/love interest lol. Toad: You cannot be a true anime fan until you do. Depends on the scenario. Its either consensual so it represents betrayal or its not and its straight up rape. On May 17 2014 06:21 Toadesstern wrote: I think we found different things when we googled oO fine with me, I'm destined to be an Emnjay anyways. Key words bolded. Also, don't watch Bible Black. Its terrible even for the horror that it is. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:20 Ecael wrote: I mean, I recall people have managed to construe arguments about how Twilight is a literary masterpiece that discusses poignant issues in segregation and gender roles. If that's the kind of standard you want to hold things up to, then sure, rettousei stands a pretty good chance at being what you called it. What was it again? A series about politics, magic system and character interaction? The politics of the series boils down to Japanese nationalism. Notice how Japan, with its magical (literally!) technological superiority, keeps its independence while holding back the great enemy that is a combined state of China and Korea. The said state, btw, is filled with copycats for Japanese technology and tries to beat Japanese quality with quantity. Poor Japan has itself an untrustworthy ally in the US. Oh, and the EU doesn't exist. Nor does Russia really. Yeah. Politics. We could make a decent case of it reflecting Japanese youth mentality though, want to try that? Let's move onto the magic system next, I guess. A lot of people have a fascination with Clarke's words in "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Natural result? Magic casted by technology. Nevermind how it is already fairly rampant in Western scifi-esque stuff, even in otaku culture there has been a ton of this already. Though among them, rettousei does a decent job working out a rather detailed system for magic. Certainly more effort put in there then say, Index, where things happen because we say they happen. Unfortunately the system doesn't really get used for much, Tatsuya drops random talks about random shit that affects magic use, proves himself immune to all of those things, beats other people up using loopholes that only he can exploit, etc. The intrigues of the background there doesn't get used for anything beyond showing how Tatsuya is the second coming of Jesus-Kirito and resurrects himself while nuking an army from across the sea, all without breaking a sweat. Character interaction...umm...you mean how everyone hits on Tatsuya, except for people that audience/readership don't seem to care, so a male character is introduced every time indifference rears its ugly head and a girl gets shipped another direction. After that, two more girls show up after Tatsuya's dick. Par for the course really, if anything, I have to acknowledge the effort of not just adding people to a harem, but adding guys to catch those who failed out of Tatsuya's harem. Amusingly enough, all of this puts the series at about the level one'd expect for a webnovel that found a publisher from being popular enough. So I guess it isn't so bad after all. I'll take my original assessment back. You aren't illiterate, and most certainly have a literacy level above that of an elementary school student. You are just about as literate as an eighth grader, sharing the same level of chuu2 thought as them. I don't know whether you're the one trying to make me laugh now. If that is your definition of nationalism, then I worry about how you're going to judge other things. I found every nation in Mahouka equally contemptible as they are all presented as what they are, corrupted and power hungry nations. If you think the GAA, Japan, or the USNA are anything resembling or representing today's situation, I think I'm gonna end up crying in laughter. I'm not seeing any country in Mahouka being glorified not only because they aren't but that in the end, IT DOESNT MATTER AT ALL. Japan is simply the place where the MC lives and its already explained how the GAA got to how it is: the Yotsuba destroyed Dahan. You have to be dumb to not see that the world in Mahouka is dark, twisted, and messed up. Simplifying to Clarke's word literally works for any story. I see no point in referring to this. Sure, its true but that doesn't stop it from being not very useful. Its like Godwin's law, true but not useful. Tatsuya is a god character as intended so I have no idea why you are mad at all. He and his sister parallel Shiva and Parvarti exactly to their story and personality. Their powers are also all accounted for by the magic system. Excessively powerful? Yes. Loopholes? No. Again if you want to simplify to Clarke's, okay that's not my problem. I'm not here for that. Let me read all the flowery shit And infodump stuff while you go watch or read what you like. If you don't like OP characters, it's not my problem. Okay, I'm not even gonna comment on the harem stuff when you don't even have proof from the actual text. Its so exceedingly different from what the story is presenting and so general that I'm gonna cry. When a character not named Honoka or Miyuki actually wants to jump on his dick right here and now, (even then, a harem of two or three people? That's a shitty harem and shouldn't be considered one at all) I'll take this seriously. As judging from what you're saying, it sounds like you're a really delusional shipper with their "OMG THIS CHARACTER did this shit for this character, they MUST love each other romantically, non-romantic interactions between guys and girls don't exist!" I don't take ad hominem seriously. If you want me to have the level of reading as an 8th grader, then okay. You can think what you want as it really doesn't make a difference. I'm not here to make people like Mahouka but I'll discuss it with anyone who wants to say more than bash it with dumb arguments without actual text used in their context. And yes, you will have to use the fan translation or directly translate from the book. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:22 Slaughter wrote: Depends on the scenario. Its either consensual so it represents betrayal or its not and its straight up rape. Key words bolded. Also, don't watch Bible Black. Its terrible even for the horror that it is. When we're referring to NTR though we're never actually referring to people getting raped. That's just cruel. :| Never insult Bible Black. NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On May 17 2014 05:00 Souma wrote: I watched Mahouka last night just to see for myself how it was. I'm going to say it how it is: it's more interesting than NGNL at the very least. But really, people need to get over the whole 'omg much nationalism' spin. Who the fuck cares? There are many countries that top Japan in nationalism (America for one) and yet, every time something blatantly exhibits some Japanese nationalism it gets a ton of flack. I don't care one bit if it's nationalist, and people who get their panties in a bunch because of it are plain silly. Mahouka isn't a great anime, and it certainly isn't all that original. However, it isn't a pile of poo like some people tend to make it out to be. The sibling love does get pushed too much, and it's a shame Hanakana is the student council president (god damn it), but beyond that the voice cast is great, the animation is nice, and the setting is interesting enough to keep me going. The characters are, for the most part, not dull and not annoying, and that already is a plus for such a show in this day and age. Of course, only being six episodes in, I am not afforded the insight that you guys have regarding future events (and it'd be nice if you could stop spoiling shit), but at least for now it's a good enough of a watch that I'll keep watching. At least the imouto is Hayamin, so the almost-incest isn't all that bad. Mahouka isn't very good. But I wouldn't blame it for being too nationalistic... It has many flaws before that | ||
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Souma
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On May 17 2014 05:24 tonight wrote: New guy joins thread. New guy quickly bashed for thinking. Poor new guy. infSunday didn't get bashed. That's because Sunday's cool. :3 | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Not until another bearded white guy who can sing better than you shows up, anyway. | ||
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 17 2014 05:32 ragz_gt wrote: All new guys get bashed, except like Maxie. I would not call that thinking though. I don't think I got bashed, apart from some encounter with Sent. Nothing noticeable, really. Almost done with my rewatch of unicorn 1-6. Turns out SVP actually works for it without giving any visual fuckups so I got 60 fps. Neat. | ||
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:59 Zergneedsfood wrote: infSunday didn't get bashed. That's because Sunday's cool. :3 <3 I would say new guys should stick together... but not sure if I really have the energy to join this debate. Or call Mahouka anything but cringeworthy and silly. Sad times. :/ | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:23 IceHism wrote: I don't know whether you're the one trying to make me laugh now. If that is your definition of nationalism, then I worry about how you're going to judge other things. I found every nation in Mahouka equally contemptible as they are all presented as what they are, corrupted and power hungry nations. If you think the GAA, Japan, or the USNA are anything resembling or representing today's situation, I think I'm gonna end up crying in laughter. I'm not seeing any country in Mahouka being glorified not only because they aren't but that in the end, IT DOESNT MATTER AT ALL. Japan is simply the place where the MC lives and its already explained how the GAA got to how it is: the Yotsuba destroyed Dahan. You have to be dumb to not see that the world in Mahouka is dark, twisted, and messed up. Simplifying to Clarke's word literally works for any story. I see no point in referring to this. Sure, its true but that doesn't stop it from being not very useful. Its like Godwin's law, true but not useful. Tatsuya is a god character as intended so I have no idea why you are mad at all. He and his sister parallel Shiva and Parvarti exactly to their story and personality. Their powers are also all accounted for by the magic system. Excessively powerful? Yes. Loopholes? No. Again if you want to simplify to Clarke's, okay that's not my problem. I'm not here for that. Let me read all the flowery shit And infodump stuff while you go watch or read what you like. If you don't like OP characters, it's not my problem. Okay, I'm not even gonna comment on the harem stuff when you don't even have proof from the actual text. Its so exceedingly different from what the story is presenting and so general that I'm gonna cry. When a character not named Honoka or Miyuki actually wants to jump on his dick right here and now, (even then, a harem of two or three people? That's a shitty harem and shouldn't be considered one at all) I'll take this seriously. As judging from what you're saying, it sounds like you're a really delusional shipper with their "OMG THIS CHARACTER did this shit for this character, they MUST love each other romantically, non-romantic interactions between guys and girls don't exist!" I don't take ad hominem seriously. If you want me to have the level of reading as an 8th grader, then okay. You can think what you want as it really doesn't make a difference. I'm not here to make people like Mahouka but I'll discuss it with anyone who wants to say more than bash it with dumb arguments without actual text used in their context. And yes, you will have to use the fan translation or directly translate from the book. Eh, nationalism might've been a misleading word to use, but setting wise, the Japanese-centric worldview is a common trend with first the manga medium, then the otaku culture in general. The point is that the setting for the series is a caricature of the real world with very specific slants for the targeted audience. While in rettousei's case, Japan is not portrayed as a saintly nation that upholds honor and righteousness. It is kept around with random plot devices as to explain why the series takes place in it when the answer is as simple as that it was written for Japanese people. Even accounting for that, a certain level of nationalism is present. The situation being described in rettousei isn't a reflection of how the world is today, but a project that the audience can easily relate to. Similar to how, randomly, in Alicization for SAO the bad guys turned out to be from Chinese and Korean servers, with some Americans mixed in. It reflects a particularly narrow and warped view of the world, one that you would see among the nationalist netizen spams on 2ch. Oh right, I am going to assume GAA is that China+Korea entity because I can't be arsed to remember nation names in the series in another language. How GAA got to the state that they are in now doesn't particularly matter, you could attach all sorts of explanations in the series for the tongue-in-cheek poke at the state of that nation, the intent of the author for that is fairly obvious given the audience. If you should take the cause of the downfall of that nation seriously, it only gets more hilarious because it is perpetrated by a single house of the mighty Japan. So how does any of this reflect what you call good politics? Pandering to the readers to give them situations that they can easily relate to isn't really a problem, but it is hardly what you could call good either. Just because people die in acts of national interests doesn't make the interaction between nations any less juvenile. Even the situation within Japan itself is easily boiled down to a fake class struggle that is backed by foreign interests. Again, the kind of conspiracy theory that 2ch vippers love to eat up. I am not simplifying anything to Clarke's law. Yeah I could've done without that Clarke quote but I thought it was something to show for people's fascination of mixing technology and magic. The magic system of rettousei was fine and definitely one of the draws for readers early on. It was a cute bit of lore, even if not particularly original, but it never really took off on its own. The system is elaborated pretty much purely to explain why Tatsuya is god and for no other reason. You know, the kind of chuu2 shit with kids imagining up settings for their Marty Stu. Loopholes? Yes. When something applies to literally every other character in the series except for this one, where [insert random reason] is used to justify it. That's a loophole. If author actually stuck in the Hindu mythology reference in at some point then I feel even more justified for not putting up with more of the pain that is this series to bash on it properly. From what my brain retained up to around that American special force captain arc, there was minimal myth references. It is one thing if such references are planned in advance, but I saw zero signs of it in the early parts of the series. If that's your interpretation of the two's relationship, then I have nothing to say on that matter. You realize the source was in webnovel format, chapter by chapter, with plenty of time for the guy to reflect to cater to reader preferences as much as he wants, right? You also realize that male characters are introduced one to two vols ahead, with minimal descriptions about them, to be fleshed in when they are needed to be paired with a girl, right? Well, that's probably more subjective than I would like to admit, so I will just have to ask you to wait until we are through with the anime and have people talk about how they felt on the matter. If you want to stick only to the source when that happens, that's fine too, but I suspect there won't be many other than ragz who has the heart to work through that series. There isn't much to take from source to argue line by line except how characters should be shipped, and unlike what you seem to think, I don't actually care about the ship since the only character that I did like is still getting page space from what I heard, so...well, I could waste time going on about how hard the author is playing up the fake? incest, but if you don't think that it is going to happen after all that has happened in like, the first 7 vols, I doubt I can convince you otherwise. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Don't get too bitter over those small details noone really cares about. Pretty sure he isn't calling it a masterpiece either and just said that he likes it. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I'm sure there are various LNs that I actually will enjoy, and I have enjoyed some in the past. Uta's translation of Remembrances of a Certain Pilot was actually pretty good (though I also don't know if that's an LN) and that inspired me to watch the movie (which turned out to be not so good. ;  I also liked some of those Bungaku Shoujo books and probably need to read more of them. @__@ They were moe. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 17 2014 08:21 Souma wrote: Eca is not saying nationalism is bad. He's just saying it's not an example of "good politics." That would be obvious to anyone who read past the first 4 lines wouldnt it. | ||
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