Anime Discussion Thread - Page 3276

Those glowy balls that showed up after all the "good deeds" were collected in the Other World. All of them combined granted a wish.

Don't think about the why or how, you won't get far.

hmm his good deeds and such throughout the series which is when we usually saw the orbs and then him not regretting meeting her eventually allowed him to go back in time to before she died? The dream was mostly created by his daughter to help him keep his sanity?

Essentially, I think I read on a wiki that she created the world so he wouldn't have to suffer but then she forgot about it but then enough orbs coalesced so a miracle would happen so when he died his robot self and his human self kinda synced together and he remembered who he was. He was then shown the scene where he 1st met Nagisa and he still decided to meet her (giving him the option of his miracle being that he never met her) but because he choose to still meet her he was instead transported to the moment of Ushio's birth and the miracle was that Nagisa did not die and he gets to live his life with his family.

ah I see, makes more sense. The syncing still feels a bit confusing considering that well, he died but ya, he got the miracle he wanted and chose to meet her rather than not do so which in turn meant that she survived.

noticing all the orbs and how supposedly they are related to happiness etc...

I did think they lived happily ever after but the previous part was a bit confusing(all of them dying).

ah I see, makes more sense. The syncing still feels a bit confusing considering that well, he died but ya, he got the miracle he wanted and chose to meet her rather than not do so which in turn meant that she survived.

Yea Clannad would have been soooo sad if they didn't end it that way lol. Some very sad and touching moments in that series :[

I think the weirdest (and most confusing) part of it is that technically the Other World existed after both Ushio and Tomoya died, and it's basically their souls/reincarnations/whatever in that place.

But at the same time it also exists parallel to the main story...hence how Nagisa knows the story. Plus Fuko waking up is because one of the light balls slipped through from the Other World.

Let that be a lesson to you. Letting your adorable daughter die screws with the space/time continuum. Don't do it.

Honestly, I would've been a bit disappointed but fine had they ended it with Tomoya living with Ushio and her growing up but always thinking about Nagisa since this ending does feel a bit odd if you don't have the background.

Wow You know I'm usually very careful about what I watch, I mentioned before I only have a limited amount of time to watch this stuff, I gave up a lot of stuff because of how busy I am so wasting my time this horribly... it just feels like an injustice, I can literally feel like 8 hours of my life were ripped away from me. I avoid the usual shounen garbage because they aren't usually worth my time, I like the Shoujo/Romantic stuff because they tend to be better in quality if a bit samey just like shounen but holy crap this was horrible. This show was literally like if Naruto was stripped away of all the shounen crap and focused on Naruto chasing after Sakura who of course will NEVER like Naruto because she wants Sasuke even if he's the biggest murderer on the planet she will drop everything to be with him if he asked her to, while poor sucker Naruto keeps getting rejected again and again.

This show was just so fucking infuriating, I can't believe I watched 26 episodes of this bullshit, sigh. From the very beginning I knew I didn't like the male lead but holy shit, there was something REALLY wrong with the person who wrote this show. The whole reason this guy was breathing was because he liked Suzuka, literally, he went to school because Suzuka was there, he liked living where he lived because Suzuka ALSO happened to live there :O! OMG!, he joined the track team because... well you can guess why the idiot did it. This has to be the most idiotic human being ever conceived, followed only by the person who thought this was a good character and this was a story worth telling. This guy spent the whole show obsessing over a girl he had a crush on which of course only got worse and worse and they spent time together, the whole reasoning behind everything he did was to impress this girl because he wanted to PROVE that he wasn't a wishy washy idiot who could never commit to anything and amount to anything. This is so aggravating, the guy has 0 goals of his own, his life was pretty much dumb, he had no purpose in life basically of course until he met Suzuka. I watched Kimi Machi a couple of days ago and while their character were similar at least Haruto had a character, he had a vague idea of what his life would be and even if he wasn't with Eba he would make something of himself, but this guy? Nope he was useless.

Basically all the characters in this show functioned this way, Suzuka was only there to show how cool she was jumping that bar thing and only have in her mind that she didn't want a bf because of the dead dude experience, the rebound girl (Honoka) was only there and ever did anything to get the obsessed stalker to notice her, which he does, after getting rejected and rejected she finally finds some courage to kiss him which of course is his first kiss so he accepts to start going out with her because he liked the kiss... then SHOCKINGLY ENOUGH he still only kept thinking about Suzuka :O and an even bigger shock, he was STILL in love with her. Rebound girl obviously saw right through this crap and ended it, I totally did not see ANY of this coming /sarcasm. Then you have the third girl who was one blushed face away from confessing to him as well but never really did because well she was stupid and Suzuka was her friend so yeah... I think the best character in this show was the obsessed stalker's best friend (Yasunobu) who was the stereotypical pervy guy, there is something REALLY wrong with your show when the smartest guy in the fucking thing is the stereotypical perv best friend.

I really do not get how any of these people would exist in the real world, how can anyone mourn the death of someone they liked a little bit for maybe a week ? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? WHAT!? It is impossible to like any of these people because of how irrational and bone headed they are, it is just unbelievable. How can anyone spend a WHOLE YEAR or more chasing after a guy who is A) Always mad at you for no good reason B) Stops talking to you in several occasions C) REJECTED YOU several times D) Basically told you you were useless more than once and E) Was OBVIOUSLY the most bi polar bitch on the planet. And with a nice girl who was totally up for having sex with you after a couple of months, I mean sure there was more to her than just that, she cooked, she was super cute, she was NICE ALL THE TIME, she had a huge crush on him for like FOREVER, she took care of him while he was sick, she was a wonderful person, etc etc. While Suzuka was none of these things, she lives and breathes to mourn some dude who she barely liked and didn't have time to be nice to anybody, SPECIALLY our protagonist.

Many times I found myself going WHAT? WHY ARE YOU STILL BARKING AT THE WRONG TREE DUDE, HOLY SHIT, JUST GO OUT WITH A HONOKA WHO ACTUALLY LIKES YOU AND IS PRETTIER THAN THIS CUNT!, I can't see anyone being so stubborn about a girl they barely know because they had a crush on her the first time they saw her. Not just this dude's attitude but Suzuka's stubbornness to let go of the fucking dead guy, TALK ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OVER SHIT holy crap. The whole story revolves around these 2 but they were the most revolting and infuriating human beings ever conceived in a story, Joffrey from game of thrones is more likable than these 2 turds. They end up together in the last like 5 minutes of the show because of course they had to make me suffer through 25 and a half episodes of this bull shit, so we don't get to see anything about these people other than "Oh well I guess she finally stopped worshiping this dead dude so I finally get a turn". The only decent part of the show was that the guy was apparently REALLY good short distance runner, but like I said he did everything only so this cunt would like him so he joined the track team for her but ended up being REALLY good, almost too good to be true. But he still didn't think much of it, he was one of the best but he still only thought of doing it for the cunt, he had a bright future with that and would have been interesting to see this aspect of the show evolve, but nope, the cunt finally agrees to be with him but all we get is them holding hands for a few seconds before the show ends and everything else goes to the shitter because of course being your own person is BS when you can get a gf/bf and rely on them for everything, right?.

At one point this girl will blow up and cause some serious damage. To be honest I think she's meant to be that character, the crazy jealous and irrational one, I think she hates Touma she's just pretending not to for now... I really do think that. I mean didn't her friends stop talking to her because some guy confessed to her?, I can see her over reacting for much less if something were to happen with Touma and Haruki her reactions to pretty much any new developments that she wasn't into from the beginning she always has this like this bitch is stealing haruki isn't she? I HATE HER! look on her face. All those odd reactions we've discussed I think that's basically what that is, remember what Touma said that Setsuna would probably be her best friend or her worst enemy and I think we will go for the latter.

Not just because of the fact that we're dealing with a love triangle here so someone will most likely end up hurt and or alone, but because this girl is not stable, she is not honest about her feelings and her persona is fake as hell. I don't mean the pageant queen bs or the idol persona that she has to put up to keep appearances, which Haruki mentioned he sort of liked how she freaked out about it constantly trying to keep appearances, I think there is a very crazy person locked inside her. That moment when they told her about the song she just had this "Wow shocking I'm the last one to know, AGAIN...". I hope she's not crazy, I don't dislike her or think she's a bad character, or that she doesn't add anything to the show, quite the opposite. But that doesn't really erase the fact that there is something really odd about her, if I'm wrong I won't mind being so but I doubt it lol.

Haruki just took off with her and dragged her to the train. I think she was mostly embarrassed because she was in that outfit AND because she was with the guy she likes IN THAT OUTFIT IN PUBLIC, she was so nervous before about the outfit it made it even worse when she heard he was out in the hall O.o. Yeah she's crazy about Haruki :|. I think Setsuna is A) Spoiled B) a bit crazy C) she's acting like a bitch in heat with Haruki D) Jealous and yeah also E) Unrealistic. They are in a group WHICH she helped inmensely to kickstart by convincing Touma, as we know it seems like Haruki wasn't doing a good enough job. But then she gets mad when they spend time together, tell each other shit or just talk to each other in general lol, her demeanor says a lot about her more than what she actually says. If she keeps acting like this I won't blame Haruki for picking Touma .

You know before this episode and I still stand by it IIIIIIIISH, after what happened during toothbrush-gate I still think that it was mostly because she saw them as a group of friends and she didn't want the same that happened with her old friends to happen again which is like 80-90% of the cause of her emoness and jealosy attack was the remaining 10-20%. But after this episode... I don't know man, I think she was really just jealous that Touma is "STEALING HER MAN!" and like 10% the friends crap lol, she's just so hostile and what I DON'T like about her is that she doesn't express it. Her demeanor tells me she's angry (the moment we discussed before in the piano room about the weekend, now this when she literally seems to be biting her lips not to say something outrageous and overly bitchy), that's my issue with this girl, she's obviously not being honest about her responses you can see she thinks about it for a while then goes in a different direction. I think a lot of that is her playing along with Haruki and the whole band crap I don't think she cares about, some ways I do think she wants to sing, likes to sing and she knows Touma is talented but I think if she could she would prefer it if it was just her and Haruki. I see what you mean about Haruki and Touma, I mean it seems Touma has been paying attention to Haruki so it's not a stretch that she knows he plays the guitar and that the guy in the room playing the guitar was him so she played with him. Not saying there is anything wrong with Touma opening up to Haruki, just that she seems to WANT to stay away from people because her mom abandoned her :| pretty much and she doesn't want that to become a recurrent thing lol. Just seemed sudden to me that is all, went from pfft I don't like you you dumbass to omg here's why I'm so bitchy at people all the time D:! lol.

Yes you're crazy, glad you admitted it, otherwise I don't see how else you could like Taiga . I can see that line of thought, I mean you're talking to someone who taught Setsuna went home the night of the sleepover and somehow took Haruki's toothbrush with her home, during the first time I saw it lol <.<. Yeah I guess it is odd he wrote 2007 when he's been "working on it for 3 years", from what I read he said "I only joined the LMA so I could write a song, Takeya was the guitarrist so I never thought about performing on stage. I mean, it's kinda like my compilation of my three years here" I'm guessing he means both high school and how long he's been in the club. As to why it says 2007, because maybe that's when he finally wrote this song? he could have written many songs before this and I'm sure he did if this one is good but yeah that's why it probably says that. Could be his dream to leave behind that song in her high school years, doesn't have to be a life long dream, there are no small dreams I think . We can easily translate Unstable to crazy lol, but I think she's just very passive aggressive, I think there's more about her we haven't really seen. I think the way Touma went about opening up to Haruki was much natural, the way Setsuna asked Haruki out to go to the Karaoke and "open up" to him in such a forced way to idk try to win him over? was not so natural, to me that's her saying "You see I'm just a normal girl who has some weird hobbies but I'm not mean like some people might say".

What you said about the train and Touma leaving with her mom made a lot of sense to be honest. To be honest I never thought about him "doing it in front of Setsuna", think of it this way. Touma is leaving, Haruki runs to the train station to confess to her, he didn't think Setsuna would be there for X or Y reason, he confesses and then we see Setsuna arriving to the train station to say good bye as well, Touma sees Setsuna and rejects Haruki because she sees Setsuna there. It also might be that they both went to say good bye or try to convince her not to leave, Haruki has a burst of emotion, hugs her and maybe confesses OR NOT but still Setsuna looks at them like T_T. Both possible but we'll see how it goes down. Also I doubt Haruki cares about the other girl if she's confessing to one of them lol, specially if he's another Ryuji and doesn't really know. GO WATCH KIMI NOZO NAO, it's short you'll finish it in like 3 hours .

You know I just realized something :O I don't know if I'm right but I'll add it in my 2nd rant which I wrote earlier haha <.<. Yeah you're right maybe we saw that but she probably didn't, she might have but it's a stretch lol. I'm still curious about when he told Haruki that he gave Touma the song, I wished they had shown that. I think the way Haruki talks about Setsuna to Lizuka (I mention this later) kind of shows he may not want any rumors, though if he didn't want any he wouldn't call her by her first name or if he did he would like whisper it to her LOL like he did at first before that scene . Come back as in to Japan, she was born there, she's a japanese citizen last time I checked so why wouldn't she come back or want to live in her home country? even after being done with school lol, maybe they want her to stay so they can be a regular band or something or just don't want their dear friend to leave and stay in japan. Yes I want to see what a jealous Touma would look like, she's very "Ice queen" type that any time she shows emotion is an event lol.

NOU SHE'S A CRAZY BITCH AAAAAAAH!. I don't think acting insecure and unstable because people wronged you in the past is a very good or stable thing to do lol. I get her friends sucked but that doesn't mean everyone else will do the same, specially Haruki after that phone conversation. I don't know my friend, if our friendship depends on whether or not I think Setsuna is hiding her true self then I doubt we can be friends for much longer , I just want her to be honest with everyone, if she's mad and wants Haruki for herself then be fucking honest and slap that bitch Touma and fuck Haruki right in front of her lol. I hate this "I'm totally bullshitting you guys with this attitude because of my idol status at school" bs. I can see the writers dangle this in our noses for a while until it reaches it's last unbearable boiling point.

There was another clock in this episode lol and :O shockingly enough it was still 2007 , there were 2 clocks lol one on the telephone which says 2007/11/22 Thursday (can't see the time) Lol I can't find the clock that's by her piano which has the time, I know I saw it... going through the episode trying to find it lol
Found it! at 9:56 lol it says 2007/11/22 Thursday 20:36(This came after the phone but I didn't notice because I was skipping around).Just so we're on the same page about the time lol and the date, don't want to think it's 2010 again.

I noticed something else as I was rewatching the episode earlier and well now while I was skipping all over it trying to find stuff. When setsuna reads the song they gave her she says "Love beyond reach", "pretending to be lonely", "I was head over heels for you" I think the pretending to be lonely could mean he's referring to Touma in the song and that he's head over heels for her? could be a song about Touma and then Haruki says that Touma didn't fix the song when she got it. She said there was nothing to fix and then gives him this very hmm interesting look. That's when Setsuna goes from o.o to O.O. Maybe Setsuna's response was due to that, that she read and saw it might be a song about Haruki's feelings for Touma. If that is the case, I don't think it's totally irrational for her to be jealous at that part <.< then you see her sort of biting her lips which I think shows she is keeping to herself what she really wanted to say, I think she's crazy jealous type, even though at first she didn't want to be left out of the group, I think now both the girls are starting to see the other as competition, so she hated the fact that Touma knew about the song before she did and obviously that the song might be about Touma...


You know, when Lizuka was talking to Haruki when he came to school during the festival after coming from Touma's house I noticed a few things. As Lizuka was telling Haruki how Setsuna couldn't find her voice, that she was petrified on stage, they go up some stairs and Haruki says "Are you really talking about Sets--Ogiso here?" I wonder why the sudden change? why he didn't just call her Setsuna when he seems so comfortable calling her that when she's with her, maybe she's still insecure about how people might see his relationship with Setsuna? doesn't want people to think they are a couple? hmmmmmm that's something to think about. Lizuka then says "I already know you and Setsuna are on first-name basis", "You should have sealed HER mouth instead of your own" then Haruki very nervously says "I-i wasn't trying to hide anything" AND also he told him "What are we gonna do about tomorrow's performance?" "Any way to handle Setsuna-chan's emotions? What about Touma's health?" I think he sees that Setsuna is quite fragile and Haruki giving Touma all his attention regardless of her being sick, makes Setsuna "Unstable" as you said lol. Which is totally irrational btw lol. There was also a moment that came right after when Haruki enters the class room where Setsuna is, I can see why Setsuna might be apologizing for AGAIN acting like a jealous bitch and not sing at the rehearsal because HER MAN WAS WITH SOME OTHER WOMAN!! GRRR!!. She says "I'm sorry Haruki, I'm not sure if I'll be of any help to you guys" (guessing she means the band, I wonder if it's because she feels her jealous side is getting the best of her or in general?) but then Haruki grabs her so suddenly and says "I'm the one who should be sorry, so I'll apologize in advance" I really don't get why he did that OR says that, what did he mean by apologize in advance? in advance for what? didn't he just apologize? sounds odd to me... this I'm so nice it makes other people look like criminals attitude he shows to everyone makes things confusing lol.

One thing we totally skipped over that is like WHAT!? How did we not talk about this was how I thought it was odd how Touma sort of asked Haruki if he was going to go out with Setsuna just like that, sure he didn't hear it (That was like those AmiXRyuji moments ). But it's interesting to know she sort of sees setsuna as a possible love interest for Haruki, I wonder if it's because SHE definitely admitted to herself she likes Haruki and wants to know if Haruki likes her as well OR if she's starting to see Setsuna as competition/worst enemy she mentioned earlier. You saw a bit of that as well when Setsuna went to visit Touma at her house and Touma asks her what's with the outfit and she tells Touma that Haruki insisted in leaving like that or something, she had this look on her face that made her look a bit jealous lol (I think). It's funny how both Setsuna and Touma have abandonement issues, Setsuna because of shitty friends and Touma because of her mom, that's why she probably told Setsuna she wouldn't call her by her first name (Which btw I think it's a tactic Setsuna is trying to use to make her feel close to her and by calling her by her first name might mean she would feel bad about stealing Haruki if they are close friends lol. I know this sounds like I'm paranoid lol but I wouldn't put it past unstable Setsuna. I mean she wants to get close to Touma and Haruki so she's forcing the whole first name thing on them to feel like they might be close friends and won't backstab her), because she doesn't want to get that close to people (because of her mom). She doesn't want to get hurt so she keeps people at arms length. I really wonder if Touma is the Passive Aggressive type like Setsuna or if she's more honest about how she feels towards people, I mean really honest not this I hate everyone so stay away from me act she puts up.

After the 5th episode when she went full emo and was like oh well guys I thought here we were all friends but it seems to me it's just you (Touma) and Haruki, while you guys are leaving me behind. I think Setsuna's demeanor speaks volumes about what she's really thinking, I think she's crazy jealous that those 2 spend any amount of time together (Which is why I think she couldn't sing at the rehearsal, she feels insecure and probably couldn't think about anything else other than what Haruki and Touma could be doing without her ALONE at TOUMA's house), not just the insecurity of being left out due to the whole thing with her friends but she's in love with Haruki and she feels Touma is stealing him with every thing they share that she's the last to know about and whenever she's not around them. I think being around Haruki makes her want to sing and yeah Touma's piano doesn't hurt but I'm almost sure she invited Touma into the band 90% because Haruki wanted her there for her piano.

From the second she met Touma she was already measuring up the competition, remember when she saw her the first time and she was like "damn she's a bit taller and she has bigger boobs D:", then she invited Touma to the burger place to try to convince her to join so Haruki would be happy even though she felt threatened (Remember how she almost told her "Oh so you do like Haruki huh?!" when that train went by) I think she thought she could keep an eye on them and keep those 2 in check if she's around. But then when she isn't and then all this stuff happens every time they are left alone that she has to find out later (if at all) about makes her even more insecure.

He agrees that Setsuna isn't exactly normal and that her attitude is odd