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It's not great but OK time killer.
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I've seen it ^_^. Plot get's boring over time imo... But my opinion is quite crap tbh 
Edit: it also has all this stuff like ciel cross dressing to seduce someone older, and weird stuff along those lines
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On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy
Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli.
However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically.
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On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically.
I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books.
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On October 14 2013 23:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically. I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books.
52 episode anime is anywhere from 17 to 26 hours of content. Considering that you can artistically show most of the visual descriptions in the books (which adds up to chapters of content), that's more than enough time to show everything. Hell, the movies did a good job of getting most (but not nearly all) the content in a 12 hour run during the extended editions, this would be more time.
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So you want the whole silmarilion in the film aswell even though it was not in the books itselves..? What do u exactly mean with proper minus all the other books? I also think the lotr films did a fine job, though i've seen them like only ages ago.
edit: i also agree the silmarilion would not translate well to film, though some separate story's in it would do well
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On October 14 2013 23:18 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 23:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically. I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books. 52 episode anime is anywhere from 17 to 26 hours of content. Considering that you can artistically show most of the visual descriptions in the books (which adds up to chapters of content), that's more than enough time to show everything. Hell, the movies did a good job of getting most the content in a 12 hour run during the extended editions, this would be more time.
You have a strange definition of "most" o_O
26 hours is not even close to enough ~_~
Besides, there's shit that is easy to place in a written medium that is hard, if not impossible, to do in a visual medium in terms of background and world building.
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On October 14 2013 22:38 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 15:01 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 14:45 Ecael wrote:
I suppose it is rather unfair to just say that Japan sucks at fantasy, so let me tighten that up a bit. In the context of this thread, that is more like "the anime industry sucks at high fantasy". Some do seem to excel in just piecing mythologies together and creating something, but the quality and mileage on that heavily varies. Don't really see any high fantasies survive without mixing in heavy parody or comedy usually. I could definitely agree with that. Like I mentioned earlier there have been plenty of anime where when initially looking into them thought had really cool ideas and concepts but then failed horribly at executing them. What ones do you think were well done or at least decent? Lodoss War Juuni Kokuki (not finished) Slayers The problem is that many fantasy also got random mecha thrown into it... such as Scrapped Princess Utawarerumono Escaflowne
In Escaflowne's case at least, I don't think that was a 'problem' lol
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On October 14 2013 23:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 23:18 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 23:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically. I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books. 52 episode anime is anywhere from 17 to 26 hours of content. Considering that you can artistically show most of the visual descriptions in the books (which adds up to chapters of content), that's more than enough time to show everything. Hell, the movies did a good job of getting most the content in a 12 hour run during the extended editions, this would be more time. You have a strange definition of "most" o_O 26 hours is not even close to enough ~_~ Besides, there's shit that is easy to place in a written medium that is hard, if not impossible, to do in a visual medium in terms of background and world building.
I would tend to disagree, but it's quite impossible to know haha.
I mean sure, stuff like lineage and history of a world is hard to do without spending several episodes on just monologue. So, whilst not impossible, very impractical I would agree. However, out of all modern mediums (excluding books, ofc), I think the only one that has a higher propensity for high fantasy would be video games. Live TV and movies are constrained by time (same as or worse than anime) and CGI budgets. Western animation series, I think, is not in a place to do overly serious stories or world building (though certain ones exist, no doubt). Manga probably, as you could have an absurdly long run with indexes for history and lineage, whilst still having good visuals.
But from a silver/big screen viewpoint, anime can have whatever visuals it wants (drawing skill/time non-withstanding, ofc), while it can also be expected to have a serious and often ponderous tone - a precedent set by many anime series prior.
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Well, yes, anime is more conducive than TV and movies for sure, but that wasn't the original point. It's better than something that's bad (for this specific purpose), that doesn't qualify it as good
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Yeh the last point about the visuals i what i agree most aswell, good thing there are ppl who can actually express their thought's/opinions well, unlike me ^_^.
Edit: high fantasy has potential for some great/interesting visuals wich would make it good, mb in another way then the books, where the focus would be more on the story and the cultural etc. background. Edit: but then there are ofc. already existing fantasy's with nice visuals (ghibli) wich are not high fantasy.
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That's also not to say that chapters of world history and family lineage are terribly exciting, as well, haha.
But yeah, a long running (and I mean like Bleach or DBZ long running) serious high fantasy manga series would be something that I would manically buy every volume of. With like indexes of family trees and religions and country histories... someone should kickstarter this shit.
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So you want GoT in anime form?
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On October 14 2013 23:37 Requizen wrote:
That's also not to say that chapters of world history and family lineage are terribly exciting, as well, haha.
But yeah, a long running (and I mean like Bleach or DBZ long running) serious high fantasy manga series would be something that I would manically buy every volume of. With like indexes of family trees and religions and country histories... someone should kickstarter this shit.
I think One Piece does a good job of building up the world and putting out those databook things that fill in extra info about misc things. Manga could definitely do high fantasy (never heard that term before lol).
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On October 14 2013 23:22 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 22:38 ragz_gt wrote:On October 14 2013 15:01 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 14:45 Ecael wrote:
I suppose it is rather unfair to just say that Japan sucks at fantasy, so let me tighten that up a bit. In the context of this thread, that is more like "the anime industry sucks at high fantasy". Some do seem to excel in just piecing mythologies together and creating something, but the quality and mileage on that heavily varies. Don't really see any high fantasies survive without mixing in heavy parody or comedy usually. I could definitely agree with that. Like I mentioned earlier there have been plenty of anime where when initially looking into them thought had really cool ideas and concepts but then failed horribly at executing them. What ones do you think were well done or at least decent? Lodoss War Juuni Kokuki (not finished) Slayers The problem is that many fantasy also got random mecha thrown into it... such as Scrapped Princess Utawarerumono Escaflowne In Escaflowne's case at least, I don't think that was a 'problem' lol
I dont think it was a problem in Scrapped Princess either.At least it was not "random" and it was explained.Scrapped Princess had a slight Sci-Fi touch but that was okay Imo.Thats what I like about Anime when they mix in different genres.
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On October 14 2013 23:40 Algis wrote:So you want GoT in anime form?
Yes? :D
Edit: Shit, read WoT. But I want WoT in anime too.
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On October 14 2013 23:30 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 23:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:18 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 23:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically. I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books. 52 episode anime is anywhere from 17 to 26 hours of content. Considering that you can artistically show most of the visual descriptions in the books (which adds up to chapters of content), that's more than enough time to show everything. Hell, the movies did a good job of getting most the content in a 12 hour run during the extended editions, this would be more time. You have a strange definition of "most" o_O 26 hours is not even close to enough ~_~ Besides, there's shit that is easy to place in a written medium that is hard, if not impossible, to do in a visual medium in terms of background and world building. I would tend to disagree, but it's quite impossible to know haha. I mean sure, stuff like lineage and history of a world is hard to do without spending several episodes on just monologue. So, whilst not impossible, very impractical I would agree. However, out of all modern mediums (excluding books, ofc), I think the only one that has a higher propensity for high fantasy would be video games. Live TV and movies are constrained by time (same as or worse than anime) and CGI budgets. Western animation series, I think, is not in a place to do overly serious stories or world building (though certain ones exist, no doubt). Manga probably, as you could have an absurdly long run with indexes for history and lineage, whilst still having good visuals. But from a silver/big screen viewpoint, anime can have whatever visuals it wants (drawing skill/time non-withstanding, ofc), while it can also be expected to have a serious and often ponderous tone - a precedent set by many anime series prior.
LoGH was able to do history and lineages pretty well. I'd love to see a new LoGH-esque anime made.
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On October 15 2013 01:40 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 23:30 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 23:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:18 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 23:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 23:11 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2013 22:57 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped. An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary. Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy Eehh, anime can easily put that much effort into the story and world building. It's just that, in my opinion, you need more than a movie or a 24 episode season. A 52 episode anime could easily go into the necessary amount of detail, especially in some of the more "visually descriptive" houses like Ghibli. However, I think Japan just likes whimsical or otherworldly fantasy over high fantasy, just stylistically. Which I don't blame them for, they do it fantastically. I strongly disagree with the idea that a 52 episode anime can even come close to matching the amount of backstory and detail that a book like Lord of the Rings has - and this is Lord of the Rings proper minus all the other books. 52 episode anime is anywhere from 17 to 26 hours of content. Considering that you can artistically show most of the visual descriptions in the books (which adds up to chapters of content), that's more than enough time to show everything. Hell, the movies did a good job of getting most the content in a 12 hour run during the extended editions, this would be more time. You have a strange definition of "most" o_O 26 hours is not even close to enough ~_~ Besides, there's shit that is easy to place in a written medium that is hard, if not impossible, to do in a visual medium in terms of background and world building. I would tend to disagree, but it's quite impossible to know haha. I mean sure, stuff like lineage and history of a world is hard to do without spending several episodes on just monologue. So, whilst not impossible, very impractical I would agree. However, out of all modern mediums (excluding books, ofc), I think the only one that has a higher propensity for high fantasy would be video games. Live TV and movies are constrained by time (same as or worse than anime) and CGI budgets. Western animation series, I think, is not in a place to do overly serious stories or world building (though certain ones exist, no doubt). Manga probably, as you could have an absurdly long run with indexes for history and lineage, whilst still having good visuals. But from a silver/big screen viewpoint, anime can have whatever visuals it wants (drawing skill/time non-withstanding, ofc), while it can also be expected to have a serious and often ponderous tone - a precedent set by many anime series prior. LoGH was able to do history and lineages pretty well. I'd love to see a new LoGH-esque anime made.
I thought of Banner of the Stars, chance is pretty low, but who konws, I never thought there would be a volume 5 either.
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I could kill for more space opera (or whatever you want to call it).
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On October 14 2013 23:40 Algis wrote:So you want GoT in anime form?
No.
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