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On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world.
Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi.
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On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi.
I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution.
I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type.
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On October 14 2013 01:35 Blargh wrote:
I'm afraid that would make you wrong! ;D
What's your AOTS thus far?
Diabolik Lovers.
tonight: Go create a TL NFL IRC channel so I can shit talk you.
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On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type.
I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy.
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On October 14 2013 14:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy.
Speaking of which I need to go back and finish Mushishi...
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On October 14 2013 14:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy.
I know what you were talking about. I was merely suggesting an alternate explanation outside of "are mostly meh to bad" and suggesting that the way that fantasy is stylized in anime is just different and that you just don't like their way of doing fantasy and not that the quality is bad in itself.
Not trying to start an argument here but I am curious to know what examples you have in mind. Because for me a fair amount of anime would fall under "fantasy" or "Sci Fi" or some kind of mix of both.
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On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type.
I think for the most part, when people talk about fantasy, they are thinking Western fantasy. You can certain stretch the definition further out and more things will fit, but even the Japanese aren't really calling those things "fantasy" so eh.
Anyway, there are some good ones out there in Japan, but fantasy is one genre that I feel like is populated with a lot more crap.
On October 14 2013 14:24 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy. I know what you were talking about. I was merely suggesting an alternate explanation outside of "are mostly meh to bad" and suggesting that the way that fantasy is stylized in anime is just different and that you just don't like their way of doing fantasy and not that the quality is bad in itself. Not trying to start an argument here but I am curious to know what examples you have in mind. Because for me a fair amount of anime would fall under "fantasy" or "Sci Fi" or some kind of mix of both.
It depends on how loose you want to use the term fantasy, but let's go with western fantasy instead of going down slippery slope of how mahou shoujo can count as fantasy ><
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On October 14 2013 14:25 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I think for the most part, when people talk about fantasy, they are thinking Western fantasy. You can certain stretch the definition further out and more things will fit, but even the Japanese aren't really calling those things "fantasy" so eh. Anyway, there are some good ones out there in Japan, but fantasy is one genre that I feel like is populated with a lot more crap. Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 14:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy. I know what you were talking about. I was merely suggesting an alternate explanation outside of "are mostly meh to bad" and suggesting that the way that fantasy is stylized in anime is just different and that you just don't like their way of doing fantasy and not that the quality is bad in itself. Not trying to start an argument here but I am curious to know what examples you have in mind. Because for me a fair amount of anime would fall under "fantasy" or "Sci Fi" or some kind of mix of both. It depends on how loose you want to use the term fantasy, but let's go with western fantasy instead of going down slippery slope of how mahou shoujo can count as fantasy ><
Thats true. I mean the way anime does magic is something usually way different than western fantasy. You usually don't see anime mages that would be similar to a Gandalf or Merlin. My definition of fantasy probably is rather large.
On October 14 2013 14:25 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I think for the most part, when people talk about fantasy, they are thinking Western fantasy. You can certain stretch the definition further out and more things will fit, but even the Japanese aren't really calling those things "fantasy" so eh. Anyway, there are some good ones out there in Japan, but fantasy is one genre that I feel like is populated with a lot more crap. Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 14:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 14:06 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 13:26 Slaughter wrote:On October 14 2013 13:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 14 2013 09:17 Algis wrote:
Edit: I'm also watching like all the first episodes of everything i can find that's currently airing but kind find anything i like T_T. Just watched log horizon, and it's even more boring that mmorpg's themselves. I also dont get the idea behind making a series of a people living in a game where the players pretend to live in a fantasy world , instead of just making a series about people living in a fantasy world. Japan isn't very good at fantasy, but can do some good stuff with scifi. I think they do fine with fantasy, its just is stylized different from western fantasy. They do tend to be pretty meh when they try to do western type though. They usually end up with good concepts but poor execution. I personally like it when anime try to draw on different mythologies and blend them together or when they just do heaven and hell mythology type. I wasn't talking about 'styles'. Most fantasy anime I can think of right off hand are mostly meh to bad. There are some decent ones out there, but they don't represent the average fantasy anime, or are good for other reasons beyond their fantasy. I know what you were talking about. I was merely suggesting an alternate explanation outside of "are mostly meh to bad" and suggesting that the way that fantasy is stylized in anime is just different and that you just don't like their way of doing fantasy and not that the quality is bad in itself. Not trying to start an argument here but I am curious to know what examples you have in mind. Because for me a fair amount of anime would fall under "fantasy" or "Sci Fi" or some kind of mix of both. It depends on how loose you want to use the term fantasy, but let's go with western fantasy instead of going down slippery slope of how mahou shoujo can count as fantasy ><
lol I guess. I actually would throw most things that have a lot of magical people/creatures/spells as fantasy. What would you label that as then?
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I suppose it is rather unfair to just say that Japan sucks at fantasy, so let me tighten that up a bit. In the context of this thread, that is more like "the anime industry sucks at high fantasy". Some do seem to excel in just piecing mythologies together and creating something, but the quality and mileage on that heavily varies. Don't really see any high fantasies survive without mixing in heavy parody or comedy usually.
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On October 14 2013 14:45 Ecael wrote:
I suppose it is rather unfair to just say that Japan sucks at fantasy, so let me tighten that up a bit. In the context of this thread, that is more like "the anime industry sucks at high fantasy". Some do seem to excel in just piecing mythologies together and creating something, but the quality and mileage on that heavily varies. Don't really see any high fantasies survive without mixing in heavy parody or comedy usually.
I could definitely agree with that. Like I mentioned earlier there have been plenty of anime where when initially looking into them thought had really cool ideas and concepts but then failed horribly at executing them. What ones do you think were well done or at least decent?
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Thus far, Gingitsune has used its supernatural elements to:
1) Find a cat
2) Solve petty schoolgirl drama
Hm.
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On October 14 2013 15:04 Spazer wrote:
Thus far, Gingitsune has used its supernatural elements to:
1) Find a cat
2) Solve petty schoolgirl drama
Hm.
That was pretty much my reaction too. xD
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On October 14 2013 15:01 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 14:45 Ecael wrote:
I suppose it is rather unfair to just say that Japan sucks at fantasy, so let me tighten that up a bit. In the context of this thread, that is more like "the anime industry sucks at high fantasy". Some do seem to excel in just piecing mythologies together and creating something, but the quality and mileage on that heavily varies. Don't really see any high fantasies survive without mixing in heavy parody or comedy usually. I could definitely agree with that. Like I mentioned earlier there have been plenty of anime where when initially looking into them thought had really cool ideas and concepts but then failed horribly at executing them. What ones do you think were well done or at least decent?
Lodoss War
Juuni Kokuki (not finished)
Slayers
The problem is that many fantasy also got random mecha thrown into it... such as
Scrapped Princess
Utawarerumono
Escaflowne
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As for fantasy i think there lot's of great ones, like miyazaki films for instance.
As for high fantasy i've seen Seirei no Moribito i guess, though i still dropped it, and it's all based on japanese mythology and stuff etc. so not western i guess, but i do think it is high fantasy.
Isn't berserk high fantasy mb? Lots of ppl like that right? Claymore? I dropped all of those though 
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I don't think anime is a very good medium for High Fantasy.
Book bias #1.
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On October 14 2013 22:41 Algis wrote:As for fantasy i think there lot's of great ones, like miyazaki films for instance. As for high fantasy i've seen Seirei no Moribito i guess, though i still dropped it, and it's all based on japanese mythology and stuff etc. so not western i guess, but i do think it is high fantasy. Isn't berserk high fantasy mb? Lots of ppl like that right? Claymore? I dropped all of those though
So you recommend a bunch stuff that you dropped and not really high fantasy anyway... Nice
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I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: though i guess high fantasy is long so then there wouldn't be a budget for nice mysterious looking landscapes and shit ^_^
Edit: Also there's quite a lot that's more action based, and i think that definitely translates better to films then to books, hate when there's like 'epic' action in books. I mostly watch action in anime/films and other stuff i read in books ^_^.
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped.
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On October 14 2013 22:49 Algis wrote:
I think it could be a great medium, how otherwise to best catch a fantasy environment or atmosphere?
Edit: haha, i guess that's true, but i just mentioned my experience with high fantasy, i've just not seen much of it. And they are very popular anime's right? (berserk and claymore) (wich is why i've seen a bit of them). I myself am not much into high fantasy so that could be the reason i dropped.
An anime series or a movie for high fantasy is, imo, inherently worse because a defining characteristic of high fantasy is the amount of detail and background that is present in the fictional world, which is hard to convey in a visual medium without making it some 100 hour documentary.
Also I'm not sure that we're talking about the same kind of "high fantasy," which is a pretty well established term in its meaning and composition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy
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I guess your right when u talk about stuff like culture and behaviours and i dno what.
I initially thought about the world itself though, visually i mean, cuz i'd rly like to seem more of that . Like one that's actually different from ours in some way. Like a city in the trees, clouds, whatever. Stuff like that ^^.
Also the definition for hight fantasy in wikipedia is very broad: "defined either by its taking place in an imaginary world distinct from our own or by the epic stature of its characters, themes and plot", so i think we're okay here.
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Was listening to the song lacrimosa by Kalafina and felt curious about Black Butler.
Looks like a bunch of pretty boys/fujo bait but plot doesn't sound too bad. Has someone seen it?
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