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On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro
Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course).
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On September 05 2012 08:08 Maxie wrote:
Hm, I never really liked NGE (got to like ep8 before stopping), but maybe I should check out Rebuild, it seems like it might fit me just a little bit better...
Honestly give the first 2 movies a chance. The second movie is really good I felt I had almost nothing to complain about which is pretty fucking rare seeing as Im overly critical like alot of people in TLADT. Sent may never truly like it because of his hate for the original but in my opinion Rebuild is very good ^^
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On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course).
Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions
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On September 05 2012 08:19 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course). Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions
I assumed when we consider something 'real' we compare it to the real world, not to an imaginary one
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On September 05 2012 08:20 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:19 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course). Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions I assumed when we consider something 'real' we compare it to the real world, not to an imaginary one
Yes your right. I talking realism personality wise. You can compare how someone acts in thier imaginary setting to how someone in the real world would act too. The setting doesn't have to change that
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On September 05 2012 08:22 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:20 OutlaW- wrote:On September 05 2012 08:19 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course). Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions I assumed when we consider something 'real' we compare it to the real world, not to an imaginary one Yes your right. I talking realism personality wise. You can compare how someone acts in thier imaginary setting to how someone in the real world would act too. The setting doesn't have to change that
Just because a character is dumb/weird does not make them any less realistic. Which is what I'm saying: realism is all relative. You don't think there are people with major idiosyncrasies in real life? A psychopath is no less realistic than an average human. What I think you're TRYING to say is Shinji acts how you expect a socially awkward, disowned, stressed-out kid shouldering the fate of the world, forced to fight and causing the deaths of innocents to act. However, that's no more realistic than a simple-minded kid forced to grow up uneducated, strong, loyal, carrying dreams and a sense of duty to fulfill a promise.
Do you know why One Piece is so popular? Because it echoes the sentiments of people across the globe, invoking strong emotional responses at every turn. It forces people to empathize. And people can't empathize without prior knowledge of the emotion (one reason why One Piece is loved more by adults than by kids). In essence, the One Piece characters are realistic. Not their world, not their abilities, but their reasons to act and their emotions without a doubt are. Their unflinching loyalty to justice and propensity to act may be a stretch, but that is not a rarity even in our own world. The way Oda portrays such humanistic traits within a spectacular imaginative world is what gives readers the best of both worlds, reality and fantasy. What makes Luffy hard to grasp as a realistic entity is his fighting strength and freedom to utilize it (along with trivial things like his appetite). We are unable to empathize with such overwhelming power, but honestly that's not much different from maneuvering a powerful mecha.
+ Show Spoiler +Am I grasping at too many straws? I realize I gave a terrible example and am trying to claw myself out of it rofl.
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Anyone have any thoughts about the ending of Eureka 7 and the coming of the new series Eureka 7: Astral Ocean?
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On September 05 2012 09:08 GamerX1000 wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts about the ending of Eureka 7 and the coming of the new series Eureka 7: Astral Ocean?
Isn't Eureka AO already airing? I thought it started a while ago in like April.
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On September 05 2012 09:08 GamerX1000 wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts about the ending of Eureka 7 and the coming of the new series Eureka 7: Astral Ocean?
the "new" series is over halfway finished....
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On September 05 2012 09:06 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:22 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 08:20 OutlaW- wrote:On September 05 2012 08:19 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course). Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions I assumed when we consider something 'real' we compare it to the real world, not to an imaginary one Yes your right. I talking realism personality wise. You can compare how someone acts in thier imaginary setting to how someone in the real world would act too. The setting doesn't have to change that Just because a character is dumb/weird does not make them any less realistic. Which is what I'm saying: realism is all relative. You don't think there are people with major idiosyncrasies in real life? A psychopath is no less realistic than an average human. What I think you're TRYING to say is Shinji acts how you expect a socially awkward, disowned, stressed-out kid shouldering the fate of the world, forced to fight and causing the deaths of innocents to act. However, that's no more realistic than a simple-minded kid forced to grow up uneducated, strong, loyal, carrying dreams and a sense of duty to fulfill a promise. Do you know why One Piece is so popular? Because it echoes the sentiments of people across the globe, invoking strong emotional responses at every turn. It forces people to empathize. And people can't empathize without prior knowledge of the emotion (one reason why One Piece is loved more by adults than by kids). In essence, the One Piece characters are realistic. Not their world, not their abilities, but their reasons to act and their emotions without a doubt are. Their unflinching loyalty to justice and propensity to act may be a stretch, but that is not a rarity even in our own world. The way Oda portrays such humanistic traits within a spectacular imaginative world is what gives readers the best of both worlds, reality and fantasy. What makes Luffy hard to grasp as a realistic entity is his fighting strength and freedom to utilize it (along with trivial things like his appetite). We are unable to empathize with such overwhelming power, but honestly that's not much different from maneuvering a powerful mecha. + Show Spoiler +Am I grasping at too many straws? I realize I gave a terrible example and am trying to claw myself out of it rofl.
LOL ! I was just reading that thinking....+ Show Spoiler +is this guy actually serious? wtf...
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Souma I for one can feel what you're saying. Here are my thoughts:
"Realism" in a character I read as "believability." If you take a character to be "realistic" simply because there are real life analogues, you get a huge gamut of characters in fiction that are realistic, simply because there have been billions and billions of people in real life, and at least some of them have been crazy motherfuckers. By this interpretation murderous psychopaths, humdrum salarymen, and give-no-fucks heroes are all equally realistic because real life has been home to plenty of them.
So for me at least, gauging a character involves both believability and ease of empathy (among other things) both of which may relate to how "real" a character feels. Since the reader is involved both in believing and empathizing with a character, this can be a personal experience, but nonetheless the writer can improve this experience by detailing a dynamic, round, fleshed out character.
It's been 11 years since I've watched Evangelion but what I remember of Shinji at least was some caricature of ambivalence and self-worthlessness. He was defined this way for the entire show, he had no other faces, and really the consequences *to the world* including other characters were far more compelling than any scant new reactions he displayed. If we take "realness" as Shinji being like people in real life, sure I can imagine some real person out there being like Shinji. But what does that add to our viewing? That some highly uncommon, empty, purposeless, mal-adjusted, everything-averse people out there might act in x way in the Evangelion situation, and that they won't change? Fair enough, but questionably engaging.
I'd find him more believable and easier to empathize with if I were given someone with motivations, with goals, with values (even psychopaths can have values, albeit ones foreign to most people.) I want to know what the character wants from the world, not simply what the story demands from the character, or what the thematic narrative calls for in a representative. Maybe Shinji did want something more out of his world than biological basics like fight, flight, freeze (and fuck.) I didn't see any of that. Instead of a "realistic" character I saw the premise of one.
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On September 05 2012 08:19 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 08:09 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 08:05 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:58 Souma wrote:On September 05 2012 07:55 Tabbris wrote:On September 05 2012 07:47 Sentenal wrote:On September 05 2012 07:43 Tabbris wrote:
Hmm I was baiting Sent to tell my why he didnt like eva cause I honestly had no idea and was curious. Didnt mean for a backlash like that it was just a talking point. Ill just end it with this. Sent did you like the Rebuild series? It seems like the major problems you had with eva is addressed in the movies Rebuild is better, IMO. With Rebuild, I'm pretty sure most people who liked the series, thinks Rebuild is worse, and visa versa. Like, I liked Mari, but I can see how someone who liked the Evangelion tv series would see her inclusion as an abomination. What? People didnt like Mari? I never heard of this....Are people upset that she doesnt act like she has mommy issues or somthing? I guess someone who really liked the series could argue Shinji turned into a generic shonen character but thats it. Tho he still portrayed more realism then most anime. I never understood the argument that Shinji is portrayed as realistic. If you took a kid from my hood and put him in a mecha he'd probably GTA the world. A 14 year old socially akward kid? Dont think shinji was raised in that type of hood bro Yeah I know, I was just joking, but it does bring up the point that "realism" is relative to the character and is not an absolute. For all we know, Luffy could be totally realistic, but we have no assumptions to base it on because there's no one living in his type of world with his kind of history and Gomu Gomu powers (talking about personality and depth, of course). Thats a pretty awful example as Luffy is fucking dumb/weird even in his world. If your going to define realism that way it would just lose its meaning. Realism from my definition is acting within accordance to what we know of the human condition . That is also taking into consideration the setting and their actions
Depends on how you're looking at realism. His powers and such are obviously not realistic, but his personality is pretty standard and even common in works of fiction. Those characters who smile all the time, are often idiots, shouldering through all problems because they're afraid of giving up and losing everything? Doesn't sound too alien, and it's even common when you link those characters to having tragic backstories which gave them such an outlook, the feeling that they can't afford to lose anyone or anything they hold dear. Luffy is exaggerated heavily in this sense, but it's not like it's not believable. I can't think of an example right now of a character like that, but I'm sure that there are plenty of characters like that in not only manga/anime, but even television shows and movies.
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I say Eva characters are realistic, because I think (at least in Shinji's case) if you took some unstable autist with daddy issues, all the sudden stuck him into a giant robot thats actually his mother, and told him to fight against aliens to save the world, they would probably have a mental breakdown. Whether or not that is "enjoyable" (lol) to watch, that's another story.
On September 05 2012 06:06 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 05:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:On September 05 2012 05:43 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't get the fascination with character development. I watch a ton of anime, read a ton of manga/novel, but I also read a ton of books, both fiction and non fiction. What I'm interested is what happened, why and how it happened, what is the result and greater consequences, backstory and motivation, cause and affect, action and reaction, relationship and interaction etc. Not that I don't care about character development but it is mighty low on the priority list. Well if a character is boring, why should I care? If you say you should just care about the story, then why is the story being told from the angle of a detestable/retarded/boring person? It's like reading true crime books, they are usually told from the angle of a detestable person who surprisingly often are retarded / boring. Doesn't really make the book less fascinating. Also, don't care about character development is not the same as don't care about characters. I like kick arse characters as much as next person, I just prefer them come that way rather than "level up" during the story. Don't know if you watched ESPN's 30 for 30. Most of them have little or no character development (and a few that focuses on it), they just have awesome characters doing awesome stuff. Or focus on a singular event. Character development does play a bigger role in anime, due to series cover greater length of time. But I always gravitate to characters that never changes, even when end up crashing and burning, anyway.
I think there are different methods to get you to care. One way, as you said, is to have the character just come that way, and is awesome already (or already interesting, I guess). I like those types of characters too. But not all characters are created that way. Some characters require development to be likable. Some characters need to grow on you, in order for you to care. But if you have a character that starts out generic, uninteresting, or down right annoying, and they don't change/grow, that's when problems occur.
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Another thing to realize about character development is that it can be retroactive. While many characters "come prepackaged awesome", a lot of the fun and interesting parts of their story is learning their past and seeing why they do what they do and how they became who they are.
Just a random thought before sleepies.
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I feel like watching Aquarion Evol
2 questions though.
1) do I need to watch Genesis of Aquarion before it
2) Am I wasting my time?
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On September 05 2012 17:07 tobi9999 wrote:
I feel like watching Aquarion Evol
2 questions though.
1) do I need to watch Genesis of Aquarion before it
2) Am I wasting my time?
1: Not really, though Genesis is better and if you've watched it you realize how the series is ****ing trolling you by the time you're 3/4ths into Evol.
2: Depends, it has some entertaining moments with mecha and all that but if you're like me and get annoyed by the concept of "love is power!!!!" (look at the name, guess where "Evol" comes from... -.-) then give it a second thought before starting to watch it. I never really liked the male/female main char, but there were a few other half decent characters.
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On September 05 2012 17:07 tobi9999 wrote:
I feel like watching Aquarion Evol
2 questions though.
1) do I need to watch Genesis of Aquarion before it
2) Am I wasting my time?
You dont need to watch the first season.
I ended up rewatching some eps today coincidentally. It has great animation, a kick ass soundtrack, and likeable characters.
If you feel like watching it then just go with it. You should be able to figure out yourself if you like it or not by the first ep.
Edit: Maxie, nothing is wrong with the power of love!
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On September 05 2012 18:31 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 17:07 tobi9999 wrote:
I feel like watching Aquarion Evol
2 questions though.
1) do I need to watch Genesis of Aquarion before it
2) Am I wasting my time? You dont need to watch the first season. I ended up rewatching some eps today coincidentally. It has great animation, a kick ass soundtrack, and likeable characters. If you feel like watching it then just go with it. You should be able to figure out yourself if you like it or not by the first ep. Edit: Maxie, nothing is wrong with the power of love!
Well, I'm not a huge fan of it, but I realize there are people who like it so w/e 
Edit: Hm. Psycho-Pass seems interesting for the fall season... Gilgamesh's VA + hanakana for mains, production I.G and written by Gen Urobuchi... this could be good lol.
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On September 05 2012 17:07 tobi9999 wrote:
I feel like watching Aquarion Evol
2 questions though.
1) do I need to watch Genesis of Aquarion before it
2) Am I wasting my time?
1.) Not really, although it helps.
2.) Not really, its worth a watch, although not the best thing ever.
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