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On June 11 2011 07:58 Shauni wrote:I updated the recommendation chart, moved around in categories and removed movies/duplicates. Tell me what you think http://i.imgur.com/vfGO9.jpg
I like that you want to help and make this better, especially since I thought you didn't share your opinion enough, but I have some problems with it.
Why did you remove moe and Drama? Could you at least justify this a bit more? I disagree with a lot of changes. For example, Lucky Star/Minami-Ke/K-On! are still top recommendations for moe stuff even if you don't like those, and they should be there. This thread was born from K-On! after all. Let's stay true to our roots. Gankutsou in fantasy is more weird than anything (not that it really fits anywhere though). Hourou Musuko had universal acclaim in this thread and it just disappears? The removal of Kanon 2006 strikes me the most. How is that even possible?1?!!?!
I agree with NHK in psychological and Clannad in romance (EDIT : I meant slice of life) though. Some additions like Fate/Stay Night (as much as I hate Shirou) are definitely good ideas. I believe that your other additions may be pretty good, but I haven't watched much of them.
Definitely agreed with Sola getting the axe. I may have missed a tons of removal that I could agree with though, so a patch note could be a good addition. I noticed that anime with the unreadable title though but that was probably a mistake already. (I wonder what it was though? Fantasy category above Claymore)
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The reason why I removed moe and drama were mostly because they don't really fit as categories. All the ones in drama fit better in other categories and were merely moved as such. Lucky Star/Minami-Ke/K-On! are all slice of life / comedy, I don't see why they would need a separate category. Personally I think none of these are good enough to be coupled with GTO, Haibane and Honey&Clover for instance, but I know others may disagree with me. Even if we add them again, I would recommend against moving them to a moe category. I guess we could vote about it:
Poll: Moe category, yes or no?Yes! (16) 48% No! (14) 42% Yes to "moe" shows, but fine in other categories! (2) 6% I don't care (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: Moe category, yes or no? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Yes to "moe" shows, but fine in other categories!
(Vote): I don't care
Gankutsou might fit in mystery I guess, but it's a mix of everything. You could say science fiction too. Fantasy might not have been the best choice.
Clannad is in slice of life, I prefer it more than romance, plus romance category is full (Ecael told me not to remove anything there).
I didn't know Hourou Musuko was that appreciated, I guess it could remain. I've only seen a bit of it so might have been stupid to remove I guess.
I don't understand why Kanon should remain however, we already have BOTH Clannad and Air.
Air contains some atmospheric charm, Clannad develops its characters and story better than Kanon. I don't understand why we would need every keyshow on that list, if you've seen one you've seen all.
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On June 11 2011 08:43 Caller wrote:
saying code geass is good is like eating ice cream with sprinkles
sure it may look pretty and may seem to have a lot of flavor but really you're just destroying the flavor of the ice cream
alternatively you could say its because in both case you are eating hard things while ingesting white viscous material
Second comparison works somewhat, but both analogies are sort of forced in that claiming that saying something is good doesn't exactly translate to eating stuff; perhaps "enjoying watching code geass" would be a better analogy, as in both of those cases you're "consuming" something, I suppose.
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On June 11 2011 10:27 Shauni wrote:
I don't understand why Kanon should remain however, we already have BOTH Clannad and Air.
Air contains some atmospheric charm, Clannad develops its characters and story better than Kanon. I don't understand why we would need every keyshow on that list, if you've seen one you've seen all.
I would assume the point of a recommendation chart is to find more shows of a certain genre/type that you enjoyed, or at least similar shows. So someone who has watched clannad/air would like to find a show like kanon on the chart, if kanon really is another good anime of that type. (never seen any of those)
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On June 11 2011 11:34 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 10:27 Shauni wrote:
I don't understand why Kanon should remain however, we already have BOTH Clannad and Air.
Air contains some atmospheric charm, Clannad develops its characters and story better than Kanon. I don't understand why we would need every keyshow on that list, if you've seen one you've seen all.
I would assume the point of a recommendation chart is to find more shows of a certain genre/type that you enjoyed, or at least similar shows. So someone who has watched clannad/air would like to find a show like kanon on the chart, if kanon really is another good anime of that type. (never seen any of those)
We should consider that it's much easier for any conscientious anime viewer to discover say, Kanon after seeing Clannad than it would be for that same viewer to discover say, Haibane Renmei. After all, it is a common practice in appraising pretty much anything in any field to at least investigate briefly the other works of makers whose works you enjoyed. The purpose of a recommendation chart should not be to handhold viewers through such basic steps, but to show them new seeds and branches in the forest of anime that they wouldn't have known just by googling the fruits they already tasted.
For instance we likely won't add Madlax and El Cazador de la Bruja because Noir is already present.
On romance being full: I dunno, I find a number of them questionable. Air, Fruits Basket, Toradora, Full Moon, or even Spice and Wolf just don't seem outstanding or classy enough to be TLADT recommendations. I think we need more opinions there if other romance candidates like Hourou Musuko are on the table.
Other picks I'm skeptical of (wouldn't personally recommend): Uchuu no Stellvia, Cardcaptor Sakura, .hack//Sign.
Having not seen much anime in the grand scheme, I unfortunately don't have any new picks off the top of my head.
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On June 11 2011 11:43 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 11:34 DCLXVI wrote:On June 11 2011 10:27 Shauni wrote:
I don't understand why Kanon should remain however, we already have BOTH Clannad and Air.
Air contains some atmospheric charm, Clannad develops its characters and story better than Kanon. I don't understand why we would need every keyshow on that list, if you've seen one you've seen all.
I would assume the point of a recommendation chart is to find more shows of a certain genre/type that you enjoyed, or at least similar shows. So someone who has watched clannad/air would like to find a show like kanon on the chart, if kanon really is another good anime of that type. (never seen any of those) We should consider that it's much easier for any conscientious anime viewer to discover say, Kanon after seeing Clannad than it would be for that same viewer to discover say, Haibane Renmei. After all, it is a common practice in appraising pretty much anything in any field to at least investigate briefly the other works of makers whose works you enjoyed. The purpose of a recommendation chart should not be to handhold viewers through such basic steps, but to show them new seeds and branches in the forest of anime that they wouldn't have known just by googling the fruits they already tasted.
well if you consider that the average person who walks in here posts "I liked death note recommend me something like it" i don't think many people take the time to google it. So i don't think it would be a waste of space to provide both the very close and the somewhat different animes.
edit: i didn't even realize that i had returned
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There should be a "Real Robot" category, and a "Super Robot" category. Both are mecha, but both genres are extremely different style wise, storywise, etc etc.
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On June 11 2011 13:23 Sentenal wrote:
There should be a "Real Robot" category, and a "Super Robot" category. Both are mecha, but both genres are extremely different style wise, storywise, etc etc.
I agree with this. There is really good shows from each series that just having one column for it wouldn't be enough.
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I've never been a real anime fan but i just recently finished watching Death Note and all i can say is WOW. It's definetely one of the best shows i've watched, was hooked from beginning to end.
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Moe is a bonus. Unlike comedy or Sci-fi. No seperate catogory in all sense. You can mark the anime as being moe or not though.
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On June 11 2011 14:33 Karthane wrote:
I've never been a real anime fan but i just recently finished watching Death Note and all i can say is WOW. It's definetely one of the best shows i've watched, was hooked from beginning to end.
I was hooked on it's troll aspect.
![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/126/583/DeathNote3.gif?1306333822)
![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/001/861/keikaku.jpg?1264730206)
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On June 11 2011 11:58 DCLXVI wrote:
well if you consider that the average person who walks in here posts "I liked death note recommend me something like it" i don't think many people take the time to google it. So i don't think it would be a waste of space to provide both the very close and the somewhat different animes.
edit: i didn't even realize that i had returned
Immediately followed by ....
On June 11 2011 14:33 Karthane wrote:
I've never been a real anime fan but i just recently finished watching Death Note and all i can say is WOW. It's definetely one of the best shows i've watched, was hooked from beginning to end.
Yes ... all according to keikaku
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On June 11 2011 14:37 lofung wrote:
Moe is a bonus. Unlike comedy or Sci-fi. No seperate catogory in all sense. You can mark the anime as being moe or not though.
In most cases, yes. But some shows use "moe" as the selling point, and it's become kind of its own genre in the last few years. Just look at Wikipedia:
Genre...is the term for any category of literature or other forms of art or culture, e.g. music, and in general, any type of discourse, whether written or spoken, audial or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre
I think that most moe animes can be grouped together to fit to that definition.
Edit: I didn't know that there was an article for moe on Wikipedia. And wow, Wikipedia in Japan has its own moe mascot? Wikipe-tan? And she is a loli? Why did no one tell me this T_T
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Wikipe-tan_visual_novel_%28Ren%27Py%29.png)
WHY ISN'T THIS A REAL EROGE T_T
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On June 11 2011 10:27 Shauni wrote:The reason why I removed moe and drama were mostly because they don't really fit as categories. All the ones in drama fit better in other categories and were merely moved as such. Lucky Star/Minami-Ke/K-On! are all slice of life / comedy, I don't see why they would need a separate category. Personally I think none of these are good enough to be coupled with GTO, Haibane and Honey&Clover for instance, but I know others may disagree with me. Even if we add them again, I would recommend against moving them to a moe category. I guess we could vote about it: Poll: Moe category, yes or no?Yes! (16) 48% No! (14) 42% Yes to "moe" shows, but fine in other categories! (2) 6% I don't care (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: Moe category, yes or no? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Yes to "moe" shows, but fine in other categories!
(Vote): I don't care
Gankutsou might fit in mystery I guess, but it's a mix of everything. You could say science fiction too. Fantasy might not have been the best choice. Clannad is in slice of life, I prefer it more than romance, plus romance category is full (Ecael told me not to remove anything there). I didn't know Hourou Musuko was that appreciated, I guess it could remain. I've only seen a bit of it so might have been stupid to remove I guess. I don't understand why Kanon should remain however, we already have BOTH Clannad and Air. Air contains some atmospheric charm, Clannad develops its characters and story better than Kanon. I don't understand why we would need every keyshow on that list, if you've seen one you've seen all.
Also need to remove FSN and Casshern Sins, terrible terrible anime.
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FSN I can actually understand and was a bit hesitant to adding, but Casshern Sins? Seriously? What's so terrible about it?
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Poll: Casshern SinsNot good (5) 56% Good (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: Casshern Sins (Vote): Good
(Vote): Not good
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Even if the majority in the anime thread dislike Casshern, I still do not think it'd be valid to remove it just because of that observation. I realize people may think the plot progresses slow through its episodic style and that there is not enough excitement, but you should still be able to see the strong points of the anime, which is its great atmosphere accompanied with an excellent soundtrack and art. Even though the philosophical questions it raises about being human has been done before, it still does so with originality and compassionate style.
I think it's more relevant discussing how the romance category should be reworked, like EchOne mentioned.
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On June 11 2011 15:54 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 14:37 lofung wrote:
Moe is a bonus. Unlike comedy or Sci-fi. No seperate catogory in all sense. You can mark the anime as being moe or not though. In most cases, yes. But some shows use "moe" as the selling point, and it's become kind of its own genre in the last few years. Just look at Wikipedia: Show nested quote +Genre...is the term for any category of literature or other forms of art or culture, e.g. music, and in general, any type of discourse, whether written or spoken, audial or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenreI think that most moe animes can be grouped together to fit to that definition. Edit: I didn't know that there was an article for moe on Wikipedia. And wow, Wikipedia in Japan has its own moe mascot? Wikipe-tan? And she is a loli? Why did no one tell me this T_T WHY ISN'T THIS A REAL EROGE T_T
No taste, It has to be a lab coat it has to be. The intelligent image of those whose spend their lives in research, Now please, Wikipe-tan, pose with your hands in your pocket leaning against the wall
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On June 11 2011 21:30 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 15:54 Ferrose wrote:On June 11 2011 14:37 lofung wrote:
Moe is a bonus. Unlike comedy or Sci-fi. No seperate catogory in all sense. You can mark the anime as being moe or not though. In most cases, yes. But some shows use "moe" as the selling point, and it's become kind of its own genre in the last few years. Just look at Wikipedia: Genre...is the term for any category of literature or other forms of art or culture, e.g. music, and in general, any type of discourse, whether written or spoken, audial or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenreI think that most moe animes can be grouped together to fit to that definition. Edit: I didn't know that there was an article for moe on Wikipedia. And wow, Wikipedia in Japan has its own moe mascot? Wikipe-tan? And she is a loli? Why did no one tell me this T_T WHY ISN'T THIS A REAL EROGE T_T No taste, It has to be a lab coat it has to be. The intelligent image of those whose spend their lives in research, Now please, Wikipe-tan, pose with your hands in your pocket leaning against the wall
hands in pocket leaning against the wall? You mean like this?
![[image loading]](http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/1/19/Dio1_jba.png)
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Moe is not a anime genre ffs. I hate this "genre" even more with each new day . Moe is close to anime genre as much as tsundere is.
Btw is Casheern Sins worth watching? I've watched the movie which wasnt that bad at all.
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