EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 1163
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Sentenal
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Conquest101
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On June 12 2011 02:44 Sentenal wrote: I just noticed Gundam SEED got taken out. It needs to be added back. Didn't notice that either. Ok, it's annoyingly difficult to see what changes Shauni has already made in the new chart. Any chance for a changelog here? | ||
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Sentenal
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Mobile Suit Gundam Super Dimensional Fortress Macross Armored Trooper VOTOMs Full Metal Panic! Gundam SEED Macross Frontier Gundam 08th MS Team Code Geass Escaflowne Blue Gender Break Blade I could easily throw some other Gundams in here. Gundam OVAs and AUs are are different enough from 0079 to not be trapped under the "sequel" label that catches Zeta. Gundam X, 00, or Wing could get stuck under there. They might have problems, but if Code Geass gets on the list, then that argument goes out the window lol Super Robot: Shin Mazinger Z Getter Robo Armageddon Gunbuster GaoGaiGar Godannar Gurren Lagann Evagellion Rahxephon Mazinkaiser Diebuster G Gundam Others like Gaiking and Jeeg could be added if you need more entries. | ||
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Shauni
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Also, some of the less serious mecha with superrobots (GL for example) could be moved to action/shounen category. I think it's good to keep mecha as a category to make it not get too confusing for some. | ||
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MichaelEU
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I also don't think moe deserves its own category. A lot of the shows that currently fall under it, I would put in SoL/Comedy. At the same time, I wouldn't recommend someone who likes Bartender, GTO and Beck anything like K-on or Sketchbook. But I think the thumbnails are fairly self-explaining and they are all legitimate SoLs. Also, Minami-ke is a comedy. (; A;) | ||
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Southlight
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On June 12 2011 03:10 Sentenal wrote: Real Robot Category: Mobile Suit Gundam Super Dimensional Fortress Macross Armored Trooper VOTOMs Full Metal Panic! Gundam SEED Macross Frontier Gundam 08th MS Team Code Geass Escaflowne Blue Gender Break Blade I could easily throw some other Gundams in here. Gundam OVAs and AUs are are different enough from 0079 to not be trapped under the "sequel" label that catches Zeta. Gundam X, 00, or Wing could get stuck under there. They might have problems, but if Code Geass gets on the list, then that argument goes out the window lol Super Robot: Shin Mazinger Z Getter Robo Armageddon Gunbuster GaoGaiGar Godannar Gurren Lagann Evagellion Rahxephon Mazinkaiser Diebuster G Gundam Others like Gaiking and Jeeg could be added if you need more entries. [15:14:23] <Seki> no offense but this whole "recommendation chart" shenanigan reeks more of ADT circlejerk of fanboys and their elitisms [15:14:28] <Seki> but carry on [15:14:36] <EchOne> seki droppin bombs [15:14:42] <Blasty_TypeB> kk noted and carrying on [15:14:43] <MichaelEU> loolol [15:15:02] <Droid803> I think that applies to every recommendation chart [15:15:26] <Shauniugu> well the thing is, if everyone is humble about everything and not trying to create something remotely objective Seki [15:15:30] <Shauniugu> nothing will ever be done [15:16:02] <Droid803> "we plausibly recommend that you possibly go watch something. but in order to retain neutrality we cannot actually reccommend you anything." [15:16:17] <Seki> there's a difference [15:16:26] <EchOne> okok wait so let's discuss the purpose of this then. possible purposes: deflect stupid recommendation requests. actually help people find good anime. [15:16:30] <Seki> between a recommendation chart, of which there are many, and was already worked on [15:16:41] <Seki> and the one that's currently being worked on that reeks more of fanboy elitism [15:16:44] <Seki> for example [15:16:48] <Seki> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9721931 [15:16:50] <Seki> are you fucking kidding me | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 12 2011 04:27 Southlight wrote: [15:14:23] <Seki> no offense but this whole "recommendation chart" shenanigan reeks more of ADT circlejerk of fanboys and their elitisms [15:14:28] <Seki> but carry on [15:14:36] <EchOne> seki droppin bombs [15:14:42] <Blasty_TypeB> kk noted and carrying on [15:14:43] <MichaelEU> loolol [15:15:02] <Droid803> I think that applies to every recommendation chart [15:15:26] <Shauniugu> well the thing is, if everyone is humble about everything and not trying to create something remotely objective Seki [15:15:30] <Shauniugu> nothing will ever be done [15:16:02] <Droid803> "we plausibly recommend that you possibly go watch something. but in order to retain neutrality we cannot actually reccommend you anything." [15:16:17] <Seki> there's a difference [15:16:26] <EchOne> okok wait so let's discuss the purpose of this then. possible purposes: deflect stupid recommendation requests. actually help people find good anime. [15:16:30] <Seki> between a recommendation chart, of which there are many, and was already worked on [15:16:41] <Seki> and the one that's currently being worked on that reeks more of fanboy elitism [15:16:44] <Seki> for example [15:16:48] <Seki> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9721931 [15:16:50] <Seki> are you fucking kidding me Hey, why don't you give me a counter argument? I'm not fucking kidding you. Would you seriously say that something like VOTOMs is the same as Gurren Lagann? That Macross is the same as Getter Robo? Of course not, they are VASTLY different genres. Someone who just watched Code Geass is going to look at the list, say "Hmm, Code Geass is here, lets go watch Getter Robo now... What the shit, these two shows are nothing alike!!!" Seriously, I've yet to see you or Shauni provide any arguments beyond "Really" or "Are you serious?" Yes, I am serious. Tell me why they need to be in the same category. | ||
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Southlight
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Here's another example of recommendation chart hilarity [15:55:31] <Shauniugu> Kaal clannad romance, hotaru movie, utena shoujo, kenshin short ova, tokyo godfathers movie, wolfs rain fantasy, gunslinger girl cut, gankutsou scifi, noein, scifi, nhk psychological/comedy, grave of the fireflies duplicate, tsumiki no ie short movie, hourou musuko cut/idk [15:55:44] <Shauniugu> so theres basically 3 real contenders for anime [15:55:50] <Shauniugu> maybe 4 if you argue clannaids [15:56:13] <@Kaal> You're cutting GSG [15:56:13] <@Kaal> why [15:56:14] <Shauniugu> like i said, i wanted to put movies / short ovas separately [15:56:25] <MichaelEU> NHK comedy, this part speaks the truth [15:56:39] <@Kaal> and hourou muskou [15:56:41] <@Kaal> why [15:57:12] <Shauniugu> gsg isn't very good [15:57:26] <@Kaal> I think you would find yourself rather alone in the opinion [15:57:26] <Shauniugu> hourou is new so i dont know if it should be added yet [15:57:28] <@Kaal> I'm not a fan [15:57:31] <@Kaal> but it's good [15:57:48] <@Kaal> Hourou Muskou I think you would find yourself completely alone. [15:58:06] <@Kaal> Did you watch Noein? [15:58:10] <Shauniugu> yea [15:58:14] <Shauniugu> its scifi [15:58:23] <@Kaal> the main plot [15:58:24] <@Kaal> is not scifi [15:58:26] <@Kaal> It's drama. [15:58:27] <Shauniugu> like 50% of the movie is wall of text with scifi nonsense [15:58:34] <@Kaal> Noein isn't a movie. [15:58:37] <Shauniugu> i mean anime [15:58:37] <Shauniugu> lol [15:59:18] <@Kaal> and are you really making a shoujo/shonen category? [15:59:22] <@Kaal> Because that's retarded. [15:59:25] <MichaelEU> Are you trying to make a different short ova/movie part or do you think this is why they shouldn't be part of the list? [15:59:25] <@Kaal> Utena is a drama before anyhting [15:59:35] <@Kaal> So is kenshin [15:59:54] <Shauniugu> MichaelEU im putting them under [15:59:59] <Shauniugu> or maybe highlighting them in some way [16:00:08] <Shauniugu> i think its good to make it recognizable if its anime tv series [16:00:11] <Shauniugu> or movie [16:00:17] <MichaelEU> I disagree with that [16:00:28] <@Kaal> wolfs rain is also more drama than fantasy [16:00:40] <@Kaal> It doesn't focus on the fantasy aspect [16:00:41] <MichaelEU> I think they're all excellent recommendations, regardless of format [16:00:52] <MichaelEU> (or even thanks to their format) [16:01:07] <Shauniugu> we talked about wolfs rain, it doesn't have much character interaction or movement [16:01:13] <EchOne> yeah exactly I think we should just establish a good pool of recommendations [16:01:16] <Shauniugu> its almost episodic in the sense of no development In before TLADT (AKA Shauni's) Recommendation Chart of Series that don't suck. | ||
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Skilledblob
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On June 12 2011 02:22 Shauni wrote: Here are some listed suggestions to changes. I'm just posting them to confirm before changing because it takes a while to edit. 1. (re)remove FS/N (I personally do not think it's necessary, because people introduced to anime won't care if the VN is better or not, FS/N was quite enjoyable to me when I watched it years ago) 2. readd moegenre. same ones as before? 3. remove air, fruits basket, toradora, full moon wo sagashite. Any complaints or alternatives? 4. switch gankutsuou to mystery and exchange it with boogiepop phantom 5. replace rahxephon with fafner 6. readd hourou musuko, what category? 7. remove card captor sakura. 8. can someone comment on some classics or things which i havent watched. Should Yokohama, Keaton, Cobra, Eyeshield 21, Fantastic Children, Kimikiss, Wings of Honneamise all stay for example? 9. remove .hack sign? 10. should mecha be merged into scifi and action? And should supernatural really be its own category? Anything else I missed? 1. I think FSN should stay. Like you said the anime is fine if you didnt know the VN before. Most bad feelings about the anime probably come because Shirou is so annoying. 2. adding the moe genre is probably better so comedy and slice of life dont get too long. And some shows like K-ON even though I would put them into Slice of Life are focusing so strongly on making cutesy girls do cute things that it's better to seperate them from the shows that take a bit more serious approach to the genre. 3. I'd say you should keep Toradora. It was pretty good after all. Fruitsbasket is an anime focused at girls so even though it was not bad I think we should remove it if we dont want to add a shoujou category. 6. Hourou Musuko should be added to slice of life if you dont want to keep the drama category 10. mecha should be kept as it is its own category and I think Southlight is right. When we want to work on the chart we should do it like before with polls and not just change it. | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 12 2011 05:02 Southlight wrote: More like no one gives a shit, especially if they're coming in here asking for "generic mecha recommendation." Here's another example of recommendation chart hilarity [15:55:31] <Shauniugu> Kaal clannad romance, hotaru movie, utena shoujo, kenshin short ova, tokyo godfathers movie, wolfs rain fantasy, gunslinger girl cut, gankutsou scifi, noein, scifi, nhk psychological/comedy, grave of the fireflies duplicate, tsumiki no ie short movie, hourou musuko cut/idk [15:55:44] <Shauniugu> so theres basically 3 real contenders for anime [15:55:50] <Shauniugu> maybe 4 if you argue clannaids [15:56:13] <@Kaal> You're cutting GSG [15:56:13] <@Kaal> why [15:56:14] <Shauniugu> like i said, i wanted to put movies / short ovas separately [15:56:25] <MichaelEU> NHK comedy, this part speaks the truth [15:56:39] <@Kaal> and hourou muskou [15:56:41] <@Kaal> why [15:57:12] <Shauniugu> gsg isn't very good [15:57:26] <@Kaal> I think you would find yourself rather alone in the opinion [15:57:26] <Shauniugu> hourou is new so i dont know if it should be added yet [15:57:28] <@Kaal> I'm not a fan [15:57:31] <@Kaal> but it's good [15:57:48] <@Kaal> Hourou Muskou I think you would find yourself completely alone. [15:58:06] <@Kaal> Did you watch Noein? [15:58:10] <Shauniugu> yea [15:58:14] <Shauniugu> its scifi [15:58:23] <@Kaal> the main plot [15:58:24] <@Kaal> is not scifi [15:58:26] <@Kaal> It's drama. [15:58:27] <Shauniugu> like 50% of the movie is wall of text with scifi nonsense [15:58:34] <@Kaal> Noein isn't a movie. [15:58:37] <Shauniugu> i mean anime [15:58:37] <Shauniugu> lol [15:59:18] <@Kaal> and are you really making a shoujo/shonen category? [15:59:22] <@Kaal> Because that's retarded. [15:59:25] <MichaelEU> Are you trying to make a different short ova/movie part or do you think this is why they shouldn't be part of the list? [15:59:25] <@Kaal> Utena is a drama before anyhting [15:59:35] <@Kaal> So is kenshin [15:59:54] <Shauniugu> MichaelEU im putting them under [15:59:59] <Shauniugu> or maybe highlighting them in some way [16:00:08] <Shauniugu> i think its good to make it recognizable if its anime tv series [16:00:11] <Shauniugu> or movie [16:00:17] <MichaelEU> I disagree with that [16:00:28] <@Kaal> wolfs rain is also more drama than fantasy [16:00:40] <@Kaal> It doesn't focus on the fantasy aspect [16:00:41] <MichaelEU> I think they're all excellent recommendations, regardless of format [16:00:52] <MichaelEU> (or even thanks to their format) [16:01:07] <Shauniugu> we talked about wolfs rain, it doesn't have much character interaction or movement [16:01:13] <EchOne> yeah exactly I think we should just establish a good pool of recommendations [16:01:16] <Shauniugu> its almost episodic in the sense of no development In before TLADT (AKA Shauni's) Recommendation Chart of Series that don't suck. "More like no one gives a shit"? Southlight, I'm disappointed you can be this dumb. You seriously don't see a problem grouping shows that are vastly different together, just because they have robots? IDK if you were around when I said it, but grouping VOTOMs and Gurren Lagann together is like saying Saving Private Ryan and Iron Man are the same type of movie, because both have guns and tanks. Which is retarded. Even though I'm disappointed, I'm also partly amused. You still haven't defended your position as to why they should be grouped together. All I've gotten from you and Shauni on this issue is that "Hey, I don't like this genre, why should it get its own category?!?!" | ||
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Kaal
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On June 12 2011 05:21 Sentenal wrote: "More like no one gives a shit"? Southlight, I'm disappointed you can be this dumb. You seriously don't see a problem grouping shows that are vastly different together, just because they have robots? IDK if you were around when I said it, but grouping VOTOMs and Gurren Lagann together is like saying Saving Private Ryan and Iron Man are the same type of movie, because both have guns and tanks. Which is retarded. Even though I'm disappointed, I'm also partly amused. You still haven't defended your position as to why they should be grouped together. All I've gotten from you and Shauni on this issue is that "Hey, I don't like this genre, why should it get its own category?!?!" <Shauniugu> all according to keikaku <Shauniugu> etc | ||
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Southlight
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And so on and so forth. Incidentally the sci-fi genre is already blessed with a sci-fi (ie. Noein, LoGH) category and a mecha category. Why does mecha need even MORE fanboy circlejerking? Edit: I am OUTRAGED that we have Aria and H+C in the same category. How can you do that!?!?!?!?!?1/onequestionmark Edit2: Oh I forgot. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS IT'S BECAUSE YOU HATE ON THE GENRE. | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 12 2011 06:10 Southlight wrote: Then shall we separate horror into splatter horror, comic horror, psychological horror, and thriller horror? We should also separate stuff like shoujo romance, historical romance, and love comedy (god knows we can't place Fushigi Yuugi, 12 Kingdoms and Kaichou ha Maid-sama under the same roof!), and mystery into Ninzaemon-style (ie. Gosick), detective mystery (Conan), and police drama. And so on and so forth. Incidentally the sci-fi genre is already blessed with a sci-fi (ie. Noein, LoGH) category and a mecha category. Why does mecha need even MORE fanboy circlejerking? Edit: I am OUTRAGED that we have Aria and H+C in the same category. How can you do that!?!?!?!?!?1/onequestionmark Edit2: Oh I forgot. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS IT'S BECAUSE YOU HATE ON THE GENRE. The two genres are different, therefore they should be separate. Is as easy as that. I dunno why you can't understand that. And for the record, you don't like Super Robot shows, and have said so yourself. | ||
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Southlight
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Edit: I also feel that I've shown to be much more tolerant of shows/genres I dislike than you, so it's rather ironic that you bring up one of many genre I dislike in an attempt to discredit my opinion. How bout dem Lucky Stars? | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 12 2011 06:24 Southlight wrote: And the ones I listed are different too. So can we please have them as columns, too? Edit: I also feel that I've shown to be much more tolerant of shows/genres I dislike than you, so it's rather ironic that you bring up one of many genre I dislike in an attempt to discredit my opinion. How bout dem Lucky Stars? Where exactly did I say that Lucky Star shouldn't be on the list? Plus, all those different comedy and romance subgenres you suggested aren't apt comparisons. I have no idea why you would suggest something that stupid. You really think that those romance shows are as different as VOTOMs and Gurren Lagann? This is either incredible trolling or incredible stupidity on your part. edit: and for the record, I don't care if those get their own categories. Good luck filling a list with them. | ||
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