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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
June 11 2011 22:14 GMT
#23261
Yes, they are different. How you can possibly compare Fushigi Yuugi to 12 Kingdoms is beyond me.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 23:50:03
June 11 2011 22:56 GMT
#23262
On June 12 2011 07:14 Southlight wrote:
Yes, they are different. How you can possibly compare Fushigi Yuugi to 12 Kingdoms is beyond me.

Then give them their own category if they are that different, and you think they deserve one, I don't fucking care. GL making a list for them. Doesn't change the fact that Mecha needs to be split.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
eduh
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal63 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 23:26:35
June 11 2011 23:16 GMT
#23263
i think we should give every anime its own category. after all they are all different.

edit: now seriously, this kind of list is very limited by nature, you cant really describe an anime with a single genre, everyone understands that.

we either accept that the categorization will be flawed or we stop categorizing it and do something like this instead: http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/list-of-worthwhile-anime.jpg
which seems like a pretty good solution to all this drama.

edit2: or better yet, we stop trying to make a list, nothing good is coming out of it, we can link people to one of the multiple lists on the net, or even all of them.
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/edvh
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 01:22:44
June 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#23264
I made a new one in collaboration with the IRC channel. Last one was so gritty after all the edits and we needed to break it down a little. Now people won't cry about categorization as much, and the recommended ones are merely the absolute necessary for every genre.

Here is the progress thus far: http://i.imgur.com/NmFVj.jpg

I still haven't added text, tell me feedback etc again.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 01:02:09
June 12 2011 01:01 GMT
#23265
On June 12 2011 08:16 eduh wrote:
i think we should give every anime its own category. after all they are all different.

edit: now seriously, this kind of list is very limited by nature, you cant really describe an anime with a single genre, everyone understands that.

we either accept that the categorization will be flawed or we stop categorizing it and do something like this instead: http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/list-of-worthwhile-anime.jpg
which seems like a pretty good solution to all this drama.

edit2: or better yet, we stop trying to make a list, nothing good is coming out of it, we can link people to one of the multiple lists on the net, or even all of them.

I echo this suggestion. I think the attempts to shove stuff into even sized categories hamper the ability to list good shows. Instead, how about a chart with say 100 shows with very brief descriptions.
Ex: Eve No Jikan: Science Fiction. Gunslinger Girl: Action, Drama. Etc. That way the list can actually be a good list of shows worth watching and we wont have silly "well, this show doesn't really fit into this category but we're out of room" arguments.

Or, scrap this whole project since honestly these lists are not getting better.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 01:36:43
June 12 2011 01:32 GMT
#23266
The problem with making a plain list with descriptions is that you have to read through most of it in order to find something you might enjoy. I guess we could remove the categories / put less emphasis on them and add brief descriptions if people would prefer that though. Categories weren't made to be absolute or anything, just a small guideline. People tend to forget that.

We could also do as suggested that each person here submits one favorite anime and we compile it into a list, less serious and more fun that way.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 12 2011 01:41 GMT
#23267
A "true" TL ADT recommendation list would probably be everyone listing out their top favorites, and making the list grouped by recommendor. Easier that way too.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
June 12 2011 01:50 GMT
#23268
hmpf. Code Geass isn't in any of the above lists.... (,_,)
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
June 12 2011 01:54 GMT
#23269
On June 12 2011 10:50 NationInArms wrote:
hmpf. Code Geass isn't in any of the above lists.... (,_,)


its on action
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
June 12 2011 02:07 GMT
#23270
On June 12 2011 10:54 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 10:50 NationInArms wrote:
hmpf. Code Geass isn't in any of the above lists.... (,_,)


its on action


oh, whoops my bad. d(>w<)b
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 02:28:06
June 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#23271
On June 12 2011 10:50 NationInArms wrote:
hmpf. Code Geass isn't in any of the above lists.... (,_,)

I wonder why...


Anyway, Spazer claimed that I have never talked about VOTOMs before he heard of it, so I thought I'd talk about it now just to make sure people know what it is. I recently finished the main series, and am in the process of watching the 10000 OVAs.

Armored Trooper VOTOMs is a mecha anime, that really strives to be more realistic than any other mecha anime out there, while still having robots. How does it do this? The Mechs in this show are small, roughly 3 meters tall, are are essentially agile tanks. For example, here is what the main mech in the show, the Scopedog, looks like:
[image loading]
For reference, this is how big the Mech is compared to its pilot. I'll talk about this stuff in a bit.

The setting of this story is there had been a 100 year war between two different factions, Gilgamesh and Balarant. It was a very long war, people don't really remember what started it, but it was really brutal, and entire planets were rendered completely uninhabitable due to some battles. ATs were developed in this war, and were put to good use as they were very versatile and could be used in space, or on land, and can be equipped with whatever weapons they need. However, at the very beginning of the story, Gilgamesh and Balarant come to a truce, and the war is over.

The main character of this show is a soldier by the name of Chirico Cuvie. Hes a veteran soldier for Gilgamesh, who was suddenly transferred to a new unit. This new unit carried out an attack an attack on what seemed to be friendlies. Chirico encounters something that he should not have seen during the attack, and at the end Chirico was stabbed in the back and left for dead. Except Chirico didn't die, and instead was captured by the Gilgamesh as a traitor. Chirico escapes, and is hunted by both his own military and a secret society that is manipulating shit behind the scenes.

Chirico is an absolute badass. One of the most common complaints I see about heroes from Gundam, is that the main character is a kid, moralfag, emo, etc etc. Chirico is none of that. Hes a soldier hardened by war. Hes a silent badass. The less he talks, the more you are about to get fucked up. Hes the wet dream of people who hate characters from more recently Gundam shows, or characters based on Amuro Ray. I could say more about him, but that would be spoilers. But the guy is a killing machine, to say the least.

The mechs in this, like I said earlier, are as realistic a mechs can get. The battles are intense. Its full of little things that add up to a truly unique mecha experience. First off, the mechs don't fly. They can walk, but most of the time they drive around on the treads on the bottom of their feet. The mechs in Code Geass borrowed this concept. They even have turning stakes built into the feet, allowing them to make high speed turns and stops. There are scenes in the show showing airborne attacks with these mechs, where they parachute out of planes, and when they land, their legs been down in humanly unnatural ways to absorb the shock. In firefights, when they are spraying bullets at each other, you can actually see bullets piece the armor and hit inside the cockpit, sometimes injuring (sometimes killing!) the pilot like a stray bullet. There are parts where they are in a river, and the mechs have floaters attached to them so they won't sink. There is jungle warfare that puts Gundam 08th MS Team to shame, with Gureilla vs Mech action (more on this in a bit). The battles in space actually use momentum. Its all really cool.

Now for the negatives. I personally don't care about this, but other people here might. The anime is old, from the 80s. So if you can't stand old anime, and how old anime looks, then you won't like how this anime looks. I personally didn't have a problem with it, so your mileage may vary. Secondly, the parts that involve stuff that I DIDN'T talk about aren't nearly as good. For example, there is romance in this show. However, since the romance in this show involves two of the most akward lovers ever, who don't even know how to be normal people, much less lovers. Plus their reasons are kinda lol. There are some supporting characters who are around alot, and I can only assume their only reason for existing in this show is to lighten the mood. They are silly, loud, selfish, etc. They don't ruin the show or anything, but IMO they definitely don't improve it. Finally, without giving away any spoilers, the ending is kinda... Not how you would want its ending to be, I guess. However, I did get a good laugh at the climax of the ending, so you will have to see that for yourself. Also, there are like a million OVAs for this show, like 3 of them direct sequels that continue the story, so maybe I'll get an actual better ending once I finish them. I'll let you know.


Spazer is about to finish, and I highly suggest watching the OVAs for this show. The first 3 that I've watched (Last Red Shoulder, Big Battle, and Roots of Ambition) are all quick, 1 hour long episodes, basically. They have prettier fights, and really help flesh out Chirico's past. The Last Red Shoulder and Roots of Ambition both avoid the "annoying supporting characters" problem the main OVA had as well!

Currently I'm on Armor Hunter Mellowlink. This one isn't about Chirico at all, so its almost completely unrelated, although being in the same universe. Mellowlink is all about Guerrillas vs Armored Troopers. Its really refreshing to watch. 1 man, armed with an old Armor Piercing Rifle, land mines, the terrain, and his own wits vs these Mechs. Oh yeah, and a big armor piercing Bayonet. Mellowlink is out for revenge against officers who had gotten his unit massacred, and is on a mission to hunt them all down, and bayonet them in the face with a big ass bayonet. I just started it, but its a very different take on the Mecha genre.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
CrAzzYmr.BC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States165 Posts
June 12 2011 02:33 GMT
#23272
lol that should be a blog. Good overview though I appreciate realism so I might check it out soon.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
June 12 2011 02:40 GMT
#23273
On June 12 2011 09:35 Shauni wrote:
I made a new one in collaboration with the IRC channel. Last one was so gritty after all the edits and we needed to break it down a little. Now people won't cry about categorization as much, and the recommended ones are merely the absolute necessary for every genre.

Here is the progress thus far: http://i.imgur.com/NmFVj.jpg

I still haven't added text, tell me feedback etc again.


Not sure if my feedback would matter much but:

I wouldn't consider FLCL comedy, sure it's random but it never caused me to laugh.

Welcome to NHK is another that i don't feel belongs in comedy.

Toradora would fall into more of a "Romantic Comedy" section, seeing as romance doesn't play too serious of a roll until later, much like Lovely Complex or Kimi ni Todoke. So making a section for that might be worthwhile.

I have no idea why Evangelion is consider more Mecha than Psychological.

Even if Cowboy Bebop is in space I consider it more as action or drama, not science fiction.

"Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" is a mystery I agree, but it's also very much a horror anime. It's mystery is more of a "WTF why did that happen" rather than a "how did it happen", and the later is what I think Mystery is more of. So I'd consider it a horror.

I'd consider Code Geass more of a "Science Fiction" category anime, more because it's a really broad category and I don't feel that saying Code Geass revolves around action really tells you what it's about.

I lol'd at the "moe" section.

I consider FMA more adventure than action.

Should have a Shounen category, don't include the big three, but show other shounens, I'm sure some people like the category as a whole.

That's about it, to replace FLCL and NHK in comedy I'd say Azumanga Daioh and School Rumble, but that's just what I found funny.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 12 2011 03:11 GMT
#23274
Why don't you just split the mecha column in half, with a small divider between super and normal robot shows? That way sentenal can show off his knowledge of mecha and it won't waste space for everyone else.
I can already see the ending
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
June 12 2011 03:25 GMT
#23275
On June 12 2011 11:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 10:50 NationInArms wrote:
hmpf. Code Geass isn't in any of the above lists.... (,_,)


+ Show Spoiler +

I wonder why...


Anyway, Spazer claimed that I have never talked about VOTOMs before he heard of it, so I thought I'd talk about it now just to make sure people know what it is. I recently finished the main series, and am in the process of watching the 10000 OVAs.

Armored Trooper VOTOMs is a mecha anime, that really strives to be more realistic than any other mecha anime out there, while still having robots. How does it do this? The Mechs in this show are small, roughly 3 meters tall, are are essentially agile tanks. For example, here is what the main mech in the show, the Scopedog, looks like:
[image loading]
For reference, this is how big the Mech is compared to its pilot. I'll talk about this stuff in a bit.

The setting of this story is there had been a 100 year war between two different factions, Gilgamesh and Balarant. It was a very long war, people don't really remember what started it, but it was really brutal, and entire planets were rendered completely uninhabitable due to some battles. ATs were developed in this war, and were put to good use as they were very versatile and could be used in space, or on land, and can be equipped with whatever weapons they need. However, at the very beginning of the story, Gilgamesh and Balarant come to a truce, and the war is over.

The main character of this show is a soldier by the name of Chirico Cuvie. Hes a veteran soldier for Gilgamesh, who was suddenly transferred to a new unit. This new unit carried out an attack an attack on what seemed to be friendlies. Chirico encounters something that he should not have seen during the attack, and at the end Chirico was stabbed in the back and left for dead. Except Chirico didn't die, and instead was captured by the Gilgamesh as a traitor. Chirico escapes, and is hunted by both his own military and a secret society that is manipulating shit behind the scenes.

Chirico is an absolute badass. One of the most common complaints I see about heroes from Gundam, is that the main character is a kid, moralfag, emo, etc etc. Chirico is none of that. Hes a soldier hardened by war. Hes a silent badass. The less he talks, the more you are about to get fucked up. Hes the wet dream of people who hate characters from more recently Gundam shows, or characters based on Amuro Ray. I could say more about him, but that would be spoilers. But the guy is a killing machine, to say the least.

The mechs in this, like I said earlier, are as realistic a mechs can get. The battles are intense. Its full of little things that add up to a truly unique mecha experience. First off, the mechs don't fly. They can walk, but most of the time they drive around on the treads on the bottom of their feet. The mechs in Code Geass borrowed this concept. They even have turning stakes built into the feet, allowing them to make high speed turns and stops. There are scenes in the show showing airborne attacks with these mechs, where they parachute out of planes, and when they land, their legs been down in humanly unnatural ways to absorb the shock. In firefights, when they are spraying bullets at each other, you can actually see bullets piece the armor and hit inside the cockpit, sometimes injuring (sometimes killing!) the pilot like a stray bullet. There are parts where they are in a river, and the mechs have floaters attached to them so they won't sink. There is jungle warfare that puts Gundam 08th MS Team to shame, with Gureilla vs Mech action (more on this in a bit). The battles in space actually use momentum. Its all really cool.

Now for the negatives. I personally don't care about this, but other people here might. The anime is old, from the 80s. So if you can't stand old anime, and how old anime looks, then you won't like how this anime looks. I personally didn't have a problem with it, so your mileage may vary. Secondly, the parts that involve stuff that I DIDN'T talk about aren't nearly as good. For example, there is romance in this show. However, since the romance in this show involves two of the most akward lovers ever, who don't even know how to be normal people, much less lovers. Plus their reasons are kinda lol. There are some supporting characters who are around alot, and I can only assume their only reason for existing in this show is to lighten the mood. They are silly, loud, selfish, etc. They don't ruin the show or anything, but IMO they definitely don't improve it. Finally, without giving away any spoilers, the ending is kinda... Not how you would want its ending to be, I guess. However, I did get a good laugh at the climax of the ending, so you will have to see that for yourself. Also, there are like a million OVAs for this show, like 3 of them direct sequels that continue the story, so maybe I'll get an actual better ending once I finish them. I'll let you know.


Spazer is about to finish, and I highly suggest watching the OVAs for this show. The first 3 that I've watched (Last Red Shoulder, Big Battle, and Roots of Ambition) are all quick, 1 hour long episodes, basically. They have prettier fights, and really help flesh out Chirico's past. The Last Red Shoulder and Roots of Ambition both avoid the "annoying supporting characters" problem the main OVA had as well!

Currently I'm on Armor Hunter Mellowlink. This one isn't about Chirico at all, so its almost completely unrelated, although being in the same universe. Mellowlink is all about Guerrillas vs Armored Troopers. Its really refreshing to watch. 1 man, armed with an old Armor Piercing Rifle, land mines, the terrain, and his own wits vs these Mechs. Oh yeah, and a big armor piercing Bayonet. Mellowlink is out for revenge against officers who had gotten his unit massacred, and is on a mission to hunt them all down, and bayonet them in the face with a big ass bayonet. I just started it, but its a very different take on the Mecha genre.


Hey, don't mock me. (-.-)
Anyways, I actually like Armored Trooper Votoms. But I can't find any place to watch it....
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
June 12 2011 03:44 GMT
#23276
just put it as a tag system instead of columns.

if it is code geass put it as moe (M), Mecha (Mech), Story (S).

k??
How do you counter 13 carriers? Well first of all you gave me brain cancer. -Tasteless
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 12 2011 04:16 GMT
#23277
キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!!
Yurikai new update =D A new Saki doujin! Touhou doujin! and Chapter 8 of Kaichou to Fukukaichou =P and of course to round it all up Sasameki Koto and Puella Magi, the old standby, good stuff
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
June 12 2011 05:30 GMT
#23278
[01:28:47] <@Kaal> kodomo no jikan
[01:28:49] <Ferrose> oh
[01:28:49] <@Kaal> biggest loli series
[01:29:00] <Ferrose> that seems a bit hardcore for me
[01:29:07] <Vysaga> Ferrose you know what it means?
[01:29:14] <Ferrose> "forbidden time" or something

+ Show Spoiler +
[01:29:21] <Seki> what
[01:29:24] <Seki> well
[01:29:26] <Vysaga> lol forbidden
[01:29:27] <Seki> lol
[01:29:28] <Vysaga> perhaps
[01:29:31] <@Kaal> Isn't it Child?
[01:29:32] <Seki> in a way
[01:29:33] <Seki> yeah
[01:29:34] <Vysaga> yeah
[01:29:34] <Seki> lol
[01:29:35] <@Kaal> Child of Time?
[01:29:36] <@Kaal> lol
[01:29:39] <Seki> children's time
[01:29:40] <Vysaga> lol XD
[01:29:44] <Seki> but uhhhh
[01:29:45] <Ferrose> oh
[01:29:47] <Ferrose> oops
[01:29:51] <Seki> i guess what ferrose said works too
[01:29:55] <Seki> if you really wanna look at it that way
[01:29:55] <@Kaal> rofl
[01:29:56] <Seki> hahahahah
[01:29:56] <@Kaal> In a way
[01:29:58] <Ferrose> hehe
[01:30:05] <@Kaal> more like huehue
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 05:40:59
June 12 2011 05:38 GMT
#23279
Blast, it ended.

http://august-soft.com/ex_eustia_girls/result_comment.html

We win~

EDIT - Actually looking at that ranking, almost ideal lolol.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 06:07:13
June 12 2011 06:00 GMT
#23280
I watched the Kyou no Go no Ni OVA.

[image loading]

I didn't really like it. I didn't like the art too much (the characters were like...shiny). The comedy style/directing was a bit of a turnoff too for me. Also I really don't like children so the concept was kinda lost with me from the beginning haha.
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