[Manga] One Piece - Page 954

On November 06 2014 01:20 shell wrote:
This is not a novel or a romance and no one said it would or should win the nobel prize..

None of the guys you mentioned could do OP.. because they probably can't draw.. But Oda can write.. even if he couldn't write a master piece deserving of a nobel prize.

On the Mozart part I can understand the genius side of him, writing and performing since very young and changing music forever but that doesn't mean that impact reaches everybody!

The thing is i really like manga and i've read dozens of it and this one even tho it's chilish and silly beats the others because it's fun and has a deeper story

Oh and btw the only portuguese writer to win a nober prize was Saramago and he isn't considered in the top5 of portuguese writers.. fame and fortune doesn't make you the best much like lack of recognition doesn't make you bad

On November 06 2014 04:02 Prog455 wrote:


I didn't comment on whether One Piece should win a Nobel Prize or not. I responded to your post regarding the longtivity of Odas writing. You asked for anyone else that could write for 17 years and maintain a certain degree of consistency in their writing AND maintain some succes. To that i responded that between 1901 and atleast 1947, Thomas Mann wrote several literary classics, that did earn him the Nobel Prize. The fact that he won the Nobel Prize was merely to show that he was somewhat succesful, considering that fact that the Nobel Prize is one of the greatest acknowledgements that an author can get. And while i agree with you that fame and fortune does not equal quality, i also think that it makes next to no sense to discuss mainstream succes if you are not allowed to look at for instance awards, sale numbers or general reception of an author.

The reason that i made a reference to Beatles and Mozart was to examplify the difference Oda and for instance Thomas Mann. One Piece is great on it's own merits, like Beatles, but compared to for instance Thomas Mann, One Piece is no masterpiece.

On November 06 2014 00:08 bolahola wrote:
eh I can tell that I really hurt some peoples feelings in this thread with my comments.
My post was trollish in nature,I kinda love to drop in here every once in a while and take a stab at people that adore one piece and I didnt mean it as seriously as I wrote it,its absolutely fine to like one piece.


Just dont be like that virgin flamewheel he prolly still lives in his mothers basement

User was banned for this post.

On November 06 2014 04:30 Forikorder wrote:

well i think thats a bit of a narrow view on the term masterpiece

On November 06 2014 05:14 Prog455 wrote:


I'd say that the term masterpiece is pretty narrow.

On November 06 2014 05:25 Forikorder wrote:

i dont understand how you can say that the beatles cant be a masterpiece, but beethoven can or that one piece cannot be a masterpiece by thoms mann can

unless you just think its impossible to create a masterpiece if your not doing something classic/standard

On November 06 2014 06:23 AsnSensation wrote:
So you're saying thatyou're not qualified to say what's a masterpiece but qualified to say what's not a masterpiece?

On November 06 2014 06:23 AsnSensation wrote:
Your first mistake is comparing One Piece, a manga, to normal literature.

On November 06 2014 06:06 Prog455 wrote:


First of all let me make one thing clear. I am in no position whatsoever to positively decide if something is a masterpiece, given the fact that i myself am no virtuous in any particular field. However, i believe that i am qualified to negatively decide if something, within a field that i am quite familiar with, is a masterpiece or not. If you look at The Beatles for instance, it is quite evident that neither the lyrics nor musical composition of any of their songs are outstanding. As far as One Piece goes, it is generally the same problems that apply.

While the story of One Piece is indeed far superior to mangas such as Dragonball, Naruto or Bleach the overall character complexity is still fairly mediocre compared to many other books. One Piece just has a wealth of fairly well crafted personalities, rather than a small group of highly complex characters. And if you look at the actual composition of the story, it follows the same very generic manga structure. Each arc centers around a single or a few characters, leading up to final boss fight against antagonist of said characters, and after Luffy has went all out against the final boss, the proces will start over. Furthermore the development of a personality will often times heavily stagnate after their arc is over. Robin for instance has seen next to no character development since the Enies Lobby arc ended in 2007(!). A good seven year time-span where she has been a quite generic character.

On November 06 2014 06:47 Forikorder wrote:

so your saying that only complexity matters when determining a masterpiece?

On November 06 2014 06:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
And a movie is nothing more than a bunch of moving pictures, with sound! One Piece is basically a movie.

On November 06 2014 06:58 Chro wrote:
Who gives a damn about the medium a story is told through. manga, book, movie or whatever. A good enough writer could make OP into an insane collection of literature, a good enough director could make it one of the best TV series or movies. Its the story rather than the medium. Over a decade of a focused plot and created a world more thorough than anything across all forms of media (including books).

No that is not what i am saying. I am saying that there is different factors that comes into play when you qualify the quality of a certain product. The complexity and depth of the characters is one thing that i would consider in any story. Let me give you a couple of examples.

If i were to review a regular book, i would look at the general flow of the language, the composition and the depth of the story. I would however NOT consider the artwork for the cover of the book, because the book is no about the cover. If i were to review a comic, i would also consider the composition and the depth of the story. I would however not expect the same flow of language as in a novel, because comics are made up of short sentences rather than a wall of text. But where as i was indifferent in regards to the artwork of the novel, i would consider the artwork of a comic to be something to consider.

On November 06 2014 07:32 Forikorder wrote:


but you are saying because the characters are not as complex as they could OP is not a masterpiece

On November 06 2014 07:47 Prog455 wrote:


No that is not what i am saying. I am saying that individual character development is often times limited to a few arcs, and that after that arc ends there is little to no further character development. My example is Robin - a character that has not seen any development in seven years, in spite of being one of the main characters. And that very lack of continuous development is what i dislike about One Piece. Said lack of development is why i say that One Piece is no masterpiece, especially considering that the individual arcs themselves are nothing spectacular in terms of story telling.

One Piece is a wealth of fairly good individual stories that are tied together by Luffy and his crew, but none of the stories themselves are outstanding in any way.