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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2539 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On September 22 2014 06:51 Hyperbola wrote: You can't blame them for that though. Oda said in his notes that Sabo was dead. For a while I thought he meant that Sabo would come back as a new person but that didn't happen. The fans were mislead. You could argue that he is a new person. Same in name but who knows how different after all his time at Rev + now getting a part of Ace. I agree with you though, I usually thought of the notes as a set of axioms too. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18417 Posts
On September 20 2014 13:46 Vortok wrote: I've figured that Law chopping people up or swapping their personalities are both things that haki can defend against, thus why Smoker told his crew (and Tashigi) to stay back when they were at Punk Hazard. And also why Law had to actually fight for awhile before finally getting the best of Smoker. Swapping objects within his area seems to be a simpler technique/not as easily guarded. The anime just covered his fight with Doflamingo, and near the end he swapped Doflamingo with a piece of rubble to try and get a surprise slash in (could show that Haki isn't the super-duper-magic bullet, or maybe Doflamingo wasn't expecting it... seems like he'd be on guard in the middle of a fight, though). Also, I seem to recall during Punk Hazard when he was carrying Chopper around that he 'teleported' through a wall. Didn't see him swap with anything, though would have to double check to be sure whether or not it showed if he actually just moved to empty air rather than swapping with an object. Found a youtube video that shows some of it: Speaking of the anime episode though, it really showed how weak Law gets from prolonged usage of his Devil Fruit. He talks about it taking a lot of stamina in the manga, but I never really felt it portrayed as well it as was in the anime when he fought Doflamingo. Also an interesting point is how much it seems Law depends on his Devil Fruit. He's really strong when using it (Vergo, Smoker, most of the Straw Hats, etc.), but once he's tapped out he didn't have a whole lot else to fall back on. Kind of an interesting contrast against Luffy fighting in the coliseum where Luffy fought without using his devil fruit for awhile, though he eventually used it against some of the stronger opponents anyway. I love this scene almost as much as binding Chopper on Law's head. These two scenes show Law what it means to be "allied" to the strawhats XD | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
In the chinese version I have read , The vice admiral think it is something fishy going on , because he cannot believe Admiral will fight to a draw to Sabo . The pride of Navy . . | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Sabo reveal in the anime, i assume its over / going to credits and it goes back to the stadium instead with ~30 seconds left. My mind is immediately "Its sabo, HYPE!" before anything fuqqing hints at it at all. I spoil myself too much T.T | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 22 2014 10:47 Capped wrote: I hate all of you and this thread. Sabo reveal in the anime, i assume its over / going to credits and it goes back to the stadium instead with ~30 seconds left. My mind is immediately "Its sabo, HYPE!" before anything fuqqing hints at it at all. I spoil myself too much T.T Indeed, I thought the ep was over when it faded to black too and actually wasn't expecting sabo reveal this ep. Then when silhouette appeared, I was like it's mother fucking sabo time! My bro who is an anime only watcher was shocked. | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
On September 22 2014 06:51 Hyperbola wrote: You can't blame them for that though. Oda said in his notes that Sabo was dead. For a while I thought he meant that Sabo would come back as a new person but that didn't happen. The fans were mislead. So if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that Oda is wrong.... (hehehe  )Since we have a long break and their doesn't seem to be lots of discussion right now. I have a question that I have been wondering about. In the Sabaody Arc when Camie was being sold at the auction house. It is widely believed that Rayleigh undid her collar. How did he do this? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i14.mangareader.net/one-piece/504/one-piece-64796.jpg) The best theory put forth, that I have seen, is that he used Conquerors Haki. If that is the case then it would be a new attribute that conquerors haki can do. Have there been any other incidences were conquerors haki actually had physical attributes? The only other one incident that could be a physical conquerors haki would be when Shanks and Whitebeard + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i38.mangareader.net/one-piece/434/one-piece-63476.jpg) | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On September 22 2014 13:08 BlackMagister wrote: The thing that said Sabo was dead was a databook and it was probably just summarizing what we knew of the story. When Oda was asked about things related to Sabo he was very evasive never giving a straight answer. Dragon rescuing someone after Sabo "died" was a big clue and if you read the SBS where Oda answered the sake cup it heavily hinted Sabo being alive because Oda didn't give a straight answer about the person who left the cup. I don't read the sbs's or databooks often so people told me those said he was dead i almost believed but not only did dragon rescue someone but i felt it was awfuly pointless to reveal luffy's backstory after ace and sabo were both dead. So I figured at least one of the characters from the back stroy would make a massive reappearance ace was definately dead. So the only option was really sabo. | ||
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TMG26
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goody153
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On September 22 2014 16:01 TMG26 wrote: Didn't Oda said in some data book that Zoro = Luffy in terms of fighting abiliy/power? yah | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Source? | ||
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goody153
44138 Posts
nevermind there are 70+ sbs .. too lazy to find it .. i withdraw my statement i sort of read it before but take it with a grain of salt | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2014 00:40 Forikorder wrote: id say there the same stregnth but Luffy is capable of beating tougher guys then Zoro i dont think Zoro has the same strength of will that would pull Luffy through hell if need be I'd say I disagree but I don't have the willpower to go through such an argument. I thought the Kuma incident would have been enough to dispel this, though. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On September 23 2014 00:54 Incognoto wrote: I'd say I disagree but I don't have the willpower to go through such an argument. I thought the Kuma incident would have been enough to dispel this, though. im not saying hes at all weak willed, but i dont think he could have succeeded in taking down impel down getting to mariejoas and freeing ace im just saying that luffy has a stronger will then he does | ||
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goody153
44138 Posts
On September 23 2014 00:58 Forikorder wrote: im not saying hes at all weak willed, but i dont think he could have succeeded in taking down impel down getting to mariejoas and freeing ace im just saying that luffy has a stronger will then he does Being strong willed i think zoro also has it in him. But he isn't charismatic as luffy. Which was needed to get the job done. | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
Sabo is not Dead linku + Show Spoiler + The Green Data Book Was NOT Published By Oda Many people have said that "Oda" has clarified that Sabo died in the green data book. I actually HAVE the green data book.. It's commonly mistaken regarding WHAT such books contain.. It is put together based on knowledge FROM the show, and not through a statement from Oda himself. In volume 68, someone asked Oda a particular question regarding whether Sabo is dead or alive. And Oda, rather than confirming the scene in the anime/manga when he was shot "Dead", he said, "I'll leave it to the fans to decide whether he is dead or alive." He could have simply said what the green data book clarified, instead, he danced and took a vague route around the question, if he took the straight route with what was said in the green data book, then it would've been one story, but him dancing around the question automatically hints that he could be DEAD, or he could be ALIVE. it's not 100%, or else he would've just said what was written in the green data book. But, such "DATA" books are DATA, strictly based on the occurrences in the manga, and not to answer theories and speculations. After talking about strictly facts and Oda quotes and clarifications regarding what people think of Data Books. I will talk about a scene that everyone has watched, and everyone has theorized upon.. Dragon Saves Someone Mysterious The infamous scene where Dragon is holding someone as he came back to the ship, Iva looked at him angrily because he was late, and then noticed Dragon holding a certain someone, afterwards, you hear the people in the ship rushing, saying "Hey somebody treat these wounds quickly, this is terrible". And when asked by Iva regarding why he was late, he simply answered with a "Sorry" and in the anime also state: "I was watching the ceremony for the World Nobles" Sabo's And Dragons Interaction If this is not enough, does Sabo have relations with Dragon? YES! Sabo's speech to Dragon before the incident about how the world nobles are utter scum and trash.. Dragon being someone who used to live with such class, agreeing to Sabo, telling him, "I will change the future one day." Sabo Is Alive All of these factors hint STRONGLY on Sabo being alive. And if you're not convinced because of the Green Data Book.. Remember, it is a Data book about the SCENES in the anime/manga and is not written by Oda. simply put, does the anime/manga indicate that Sabo is dead? Yes. So Oda's answer in the volume SBS should have been YES, unlike his answer in the SBS in volume 68 which stated: "I'll leave it to the fans to decide whether he is dead or alive." Disclaimer: This topic was written on December 18, 2012. It has been a year since I wrote it, and I'm damn fucking proud I got everything in the theory right after it was confirmed on chapter 731! | ||
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