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Nakama is a term I've always found fitting, particularly for One Piece. There isn't a single word in English that can concisely sum up the relationship of the crew as well as nakama does so conveying the same meaning in English would feel wordy and messy. In an official translation, it'd probably just be substituted as 'friend' (but as Luffy makes friends with just about everybody he meets, that word doesn't quite convey it either) but for fan translations, where definitions can be put in a margin easily enough with reasoning, it just feels like it fits. That said, there are certainly mangas that use it because it's popular even though it feels like another term would've fit better.
And that same word 'Nakama' describes the relationship between Captain Kuro and his crew, Don Kreig and his crew, Crocodile and his Baroque Work Minions, etc etc etc. I don't see why a word needs to be put up on a pedestal when there are many very easy ways to translate the word, and its practically ONLY the One Piece fandom that thinks the word has any special meaning, when like I said in my previous post, its a rather common word used in anime and video games in general.
1) If the Strawhats were from planet earth, this is what country they would be from (according to Oda). + Show Spoiler +
2) Also I would like to hear your thoughts about Kuzan (Aokiji). Who is he allied with? Right now it is pure speculation but we are given some clues (look at the links below). The most common theories are either: Blackbeard, Revolutionaries, the Underground or is still following his ideals individually, like a nomad.
Things we know about Kuzan post timeskip.
a) He battled Sakazuki for 10 days on Punk Hazard. Sakazuki won and according to Jenbe Sakazuki spared Kuzan's life. After this Kuzan left the marines. Link
b) He intervened on Punk Hazard to save Smoker's (his friend) life. Link 1 Link 2Link 3
c) Burgess was talking about him to Blackbeard on the den den mushi. Link
Things that strike me as being important from the above links. He quit the marines because he feels that his idea of justice is much different than Akainu's. See Chapter 397, Ohara's buster call Therefore to mete out his own justice he decides to go and do it alone. Doflamingo and Smoker are both suspicious of his acquaintances, but Kuzan leaves us no clues of who they are. Then it is implied when Burgess is talking to Blackbeard that Kuzan is allied or working with/for them. I really wish we had more information as this story line is very compelling to me; but maybe the lack of information is what makes it so interesting (hmmm....).
While the actual plot of the One Piece movies can't be considered canon, I think at least the setting and world information from the Oda-produced ones (Strong World and Film Z) can be considered legit. Like for example, we know that Shiki did exist, and was a big Pirate from Roger's day, who escaped from Impel Down. ANYWAY, in Film Z, Aokiji was a wanderer in that movie, pretty much. Its because of Film Z that we know as much about his injuries as we do. In the movie, he basically stalked around the events of the movie, trying to see for himself what would result from the clash between Z, the Strawhats, and the Marines. His wandering around, trying to see which side is "right" probably has landed him dealings and interactions with people like Blackbeard, but I don't think hes actually joined any groups like that.
i feel like hes being used as a special task force of someone with alot of power (vegapunk maybe?) someone who is planning on doing something big and he agrees with that persons plan and is doing the legwork to lay the foundation for that plan
Nakama is a term I've always found fitting, particularly for One Piece. There isn't a single word in English that can concisely sum up the relationship of the crew as well as nakama does so conveying the same meaning in English would feel wordy and messy. In an official translation, it'd probably just be substituted as 'friend' (but as Luffy makes friends with just about everybody he meets, that word doesn't quite convey it either) but for fan translations, where definitions can be put in a margin easily enough with reasoning, it just feels like it fits. That said, there are certainly mangas that use it because it's popular even though it feels like another term would've fit better.
And that same word 'Nakama' describes the relationship between Captain Kuro and his crew, Don Kreig and his crew, Crocodile and his Baroque Work Minions, etc etc etc. I don't see why a word needs to be put up on a pedestal when there are many very easy ways to translate the word, and its practically ONLY the One Piece fandom that thinks the word has any special meaning, when like I said in my previous post, its a rather common word used in anime and video games in general.
Isn't that a good way to explain why Luffy was so pissed at Kuro, Krieg, etc?
It would make sense I guess if in OP only people like Luffy used the term "Nakama" and people like Kurro, Krieg, etc didn't because that would establish the word as describing something more then just a comrade or w/e.
Nakama is a term I've always found fitting, particularly for One Piece. There isn't a single word in English that can concisely sum up the relationship of the crew as well as nakama does so conveying the same meaning in English would feel wordy and messy. In an official translation, it'd probably just be substituted as 'friend' (but as Luffy makes friends with just about everybody he meets, that word doesn't quite convey it either) but for fan translations, where definitions can be put in a margin easily enough with reasoning, it just feels like it fits. That said, there are certainly mangas that use it because it's popular even though it feels like another term would've fit better.
And that same word 'Nakama' describes the relationship between Captain Kuro and his crew, Don Kreig and his crew, Crocodile and his Baroque Work Minions, etc etc etc. I don't see why a word needs to be put up on a pedestal when there are many very easy ways to translate the word, and its practically ONLY the One Piece fandom that thinks the word has any special meaning, when like I said in my previous post, its a rather common word used in anime and video games in general.
Isn't that a good way to explain why Luffy was so pissed at Kuro, Krieg, etc?
"Nakama aren't meant to be used that way"
but i'm not arguing
It means that to Luffy, "Nakama" has that special meaning that people see in it. Afterall, 'friendship' and such is often a very important thing to shounen MCs. But as far as the setting of One Piece goes, its just a normal word.
Akoiji was the Admiral most closely involved with what happen to Robin. I wouldn't be surprised if his motives were aligned with the Revolutionaries but just less direct.
At least we know Sakazuki has some thread of humanity in him.
Nakama is a term I've always found fitting, particularly for One Piece. There isn't a single word in English that can concisely sum up the relationship of the crew as well as nakama does so conveying the same meaning in English would feel wordy and messy. In an official translation, it'd probably just be substituted as 'friend' (but as Luffy makes friends with just about everybody he meets, that word doesn't quite convey it either) but for fan translations, where definitions can be put in a margin easily enough with reasoning, it just feels like it fits. That said, there are certainly mangas that use it because it's popular even though it feels like another term would've fit better.
And that same word 'Nakama' describes the relationship between Captain Kuro and his crew, Don Kreig and his crew, Crocodile and his Baroque Work Minions, etc etc etc. I don't see why a word needs to be put up on a pedestal when there are many very easy ways to translate the word, and its practically ONLY the One Piece fandom that thinks the word has any special meaning, when like I said in my previous post, its a rather common word used in anime and video games in general.
Isn't that a good way to explain why Luffy was so pissed at Kuro, Krieg, etc?
"Nakama aren't meant to be used that way"
but i'm not arguing
Nakama is just shipmates. All Luffy was saying is that treating your allies/comrades like shit (as most villains do), is bad.
To luffy, his crew is basically his adoptive family. When he tells Nami she's his nakama, it's equivalent to saying something along the lines of "You're a member of my crew", aka, "You're a member of my family". However that translates a bit awkwardly, so to make it sound more normal, they just leave nakama untranslated.
How he sees and treats his crew is kind of parallel to how whitebeard treated his, he just doesn't go around saying they're actually family, instead opting to use the word nakama.
The manga totally described it well to me. Then again i have a bias against the anime. The pacing and shots are so dull, they have little idea of how to develop effects and the dialogue is sometimes poorly delivered for me.
Well, pacing aside, one of the strengths with the anime is that they can really put together some good scenes, when they get to them at least (lol). I also recently rewatched allll of One Piece, including the Filler because why not, and got completely caught up on it. And for an example of a really well put together scene, I got up to the part where Luffy and Chinjao clashed. The scene where they punch each other and their conqueror's haki blasts the entire area was great.
This video cut some stuff out, but still. Dat clash.
On June 10 2014 07:07 Sentenal wrote: Well, pacing aside, one of the strengths with the anime is that they can really put together some good scenes, when they get to them at least (lol). I also recently rewatched allll of One Piece, including the Filler because why not, and got completely caught up on it. And for an example of a really well put together scene, I got up to the part where Luffy and Chinjao clashed. The scene where they punch each other and their conqueror's haki blasts the entire area was great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjD0HfaXBdE
This video cut some stuff out, but still. Dat clash.
seems like too much unnecesary slo mo and dragging it out just ruins the exitement
This is one instance where dragging it out the scene was a good thing. In the manga people are amazed huge blasts are sent out, but it's not visually clear that they're using Conqueror's Haki and the only way the reader knows is Diamante's comment.
Though yes most of the time the anime dragging out scenes just ruins the pacing, but the anime does better more often when they add scenes to extend things like the longer Law vs DD & Fujitora. Smoker vs DD happens entirely off screen in the manga so the anime could go wild with how Smoker lost.
Favorite OP filler
Ep 50 "Usopp vs Daddy The Father! Showdown at High Noon!" A great character episode for Usopp and the character of Daddy was made by Oda and was almost made canon, but Oda wanted them to leave on chapter 100.
Ep 384 "Brook's Hard Struggle - The Difficult Path of Becoming a True Comrade?" A Brook character episode about Brook trying to fit in with the crew.
On June 10 2014 07:07 Sentenal wrote: Well, pacing aside, one of the strengths with the anime is that they can really put together some good scenes, when they get to them at least (lol). I also recently rewatched allll of One Piece, including the Filler because why not, and got completely caught up on it. And for an example of a really well put together scene, I got up to the part where Luffy and Chinjao clashed. The scene where they punch each other and their conqueror's haki blasts the entire area was great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjD0HfaXBdE
This video cut some stuff out, but still. Dat clash.
seems like too much unnecesary slo mo and dragging it out just ruins the exitement
Simply agreed.
I was watching a "Best anime fights of 2013" recently and someone had Smoker vs Vergo. Holy crap, it was so bad. All the random cuts to their arms turning black with some sci-fi sound effects dominated most of the fight. If that was actually seen as a good fight, it was a bad year of anime.
That said, I'm not against anime adaptations. The problem is the weird mix of anime (i.e. television) and that medium trying to use manga (i.e. images) to inform it's shot selection, pacing and dialogue. I don't know whether it's that anime directors need to be bolder, or have more freedom or something else, but the anime should be seen as an adaptation of the manga regardless.
FMA Brotherhood is still probably my favourite manga->anime. Attack on Titan does pretty well, but that won't transition into the second season if they're following the manga (which is exceedingly dull lately). Hellsing was boring. Naruto was inconsistent. Bleach got bad, but that's consistent with it's manga. OP is also inconsistent for me. I think it's great to make amv's to but not fun to watch for an entire episode.
On June 10 2014 07:07 Sentenal wrote: Well, pacing aside, one of the strengths with the anime is that they can really put together some good scenes, when they get to them at least (lol). I also recently rewatched allll of One Piece, including the Filler because why not, and got completely caught up on it. And for an example of a really well put together scene, I got up to the part where Luffy and Chinjao clashed. The scene where they punch each other and their conqueror's haki blasts the entire area was great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjD0HfaXBdE
This video cut some stuff out, but still. Dat clash.
seems like too much unnecesary slo mo and dragging it out just ruins the exitement
Simply agreed.
I was watching a "Best anime fights of 2013" recently and someone had Smoker vs Vergo. Holy crap, it was so bad. All the random cuts to their arms turning black with some sci-fi sound effects dominated most of the fight. If that was actually seen as a good fight, it was a bad year of anime.
That said, I'm not against anime adaptations. The problem is the weird mix of anime (i.e. television) and that medium trying to use manga (i.e. images) to inform it's shot selection, pacing and dialogue. I don't know whether it's that anime directors need to be bolder, or have more freedom or something else, but the anime should be seen as an adaptation of the manga regardless.
FMA Brotherhood is still probably my favourite manga->anime. Attack on Titan does pretty well, but that won't transition into the second season if they're following the manga (which is exceedingly dull lately). Hellsing was boring. Naruto was inconsistent. Bleach got bad, but that's consistent with it's manga. OP is also inconsistent for me. I think it's great to make amv's to but not fun to watch for an entire episode.
the problem is they try to stay too close to the manga so have to stretch everythign out so they dont catch up would be better to even wait until the series is done and then do the anime properly which im pretty sure is how brotherhood went (since the first anime skewed off so crazily)
If you two think that scene was bad, IDK what to say. Not everything has to be a super fast, swinging and flipping around fight like SnK to be good. Build up and dramatic pause can be just as powerful, if not more so. If you want a case example, you need to look no farther than the March to Arlong park. Which wasn't in the manga, period, but was an great scene in the anime. And I'm not defending the entire anime here, but that scene was great, as are many other like it. If Forik is going to complain about a little slow-mo there, I can't imagine what he would say about the end of the Lucci or Crocodile fight.
On June 10 2014 12:37 Sentenal wrote: If you two think that scene was bad, IDK what to say. Not everything has to be a super fast, swinging and flipping around fight like SnK to be good. Build up and dramatic pause can be just as powerful, if not more so. If you want a case example, you need to look no farther than the March to Arlong park. Which wasn't in the manga, period, but was an great scene in the anime. And I'm not defending the entire anime here, but that scene was great, as are many other like it. If Forik is going to complain about a little slow-mo there, I can't imagine what he would say about the end of the Lucci or Crocodile fight.
theres nothing wrong with slo mo used right, but not right at the start where the tension is supposed to be built up
the start of a fight should be both fighters barreling at each other like bullets from a gun with a huge clash of fist on fist which sets the whole mood for the entire fight no good fight starts with slo mo its just a let down
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