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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Enel is too arrogant and lazy to be a top contender, but look at what a slacker like him could achieve with the Goro Goro No Mi. And as far as I remember at Marineford, Whitebeard tried to destroy the island, and the 3 admirals stopped him. I don't remember the part where the 3 admirals had to hold back to not destroy the island. If there was that part, please be so nice and find it for us. | ||
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goody153
44171 Posts
On February 04 2014 07:50 Mataza wrote: We're talking strictly about fruits. At least I am talking about fruits. Enel is too arrogant and lazy to be a top contender, but look at what a slacker like him could achieve with the Goro Goro No Mi. And as far as I remember at Marineford, Whitebeard tried to destroy the island, and the 3 admirals stopped him. I don't remember the part where the 3 admirals had to hold back to not destroy the island. If there was that part, please be so nice and find it for us. There was no real contenders against him in the skypea anyways. It's impossible to beat someone you can't hit but that matters are different in the grand line but that's a entirely different topic. Well Enel did try to destroy the terrain but no one could stop him . If the case was different like what happened to whitebeard where someone tried to stop him with the capacity to do so like the three admirals. Well the 3 did try to blow up everything that around the island but not the island. And it would be pointless that they would try their best to stop whitebeard from breaking the island while they won't even bother to be careful with their fruits in blowing up the island. Yes they are giving there best shot against individual targets but a terrain as a whole is different story. And as i said Enel's fruit is maybe more destructive or flexible than the other lugia's but i just don't buy it that it that it's better by a large margin and is already unstoppable. At the top yes but closely on par with others maybe just a little better at best. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
The whole reason I wrote this is because someone said the Goro Goro No Mi was a mid end logia fruit, making it too weak to be part of the ancient weapon Uranus. | ||
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goody153
44171 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:33 Mataza wrote: I agree on it being one of the better fruits, though not the best. The whole reason I wrote this is because someone said the Goro Goro No Mi was a mid end logia fruit, making it too weak to be part of the ancient weapon Uranus. Well that's not impossible and it would make sense but it would be lame if that would happen. I am still expecting some other lugia that has not been introduced yet to be part of Uranus like a sky lugia or storm lugia or something else. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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goody153
44171 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:44 ReketSomething wrote: Ahhh, good ol enel discussions. yeah .. enel discussions is like the "which monogatari animal is better ?" in the anime discussion thread | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:47 goody153 wrote: yeah .. enel discussions is like the "which monogatari animal is better ?" in the anime discussion thread The only difference is that at least most people where know the Enel discussion is cancerous. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On February 04 2014 05:34 EchOne wrote: rei you seem to like discussing "real world logic" in this thread, so I'll remind you that lightning bolts actually have virtually zero impact on marine ecosystems in real life. Real life lightning bolts are also far stronger than Enel's discharges, which go up to a paltry 200 million volts, whereas actual tall stormclouds can provide voltages of 1 billion. When such bolts are dispersed completely over a few tens of meters of ocean at most, they do little in the grand scheme of the ocean, which has thousands of meters of depth left in it. Of course there's also the fact that the world of One Piece is substantially different from ours. The manga repeatedly reminds us of this fact, almost as if to preclude pointless comparisons or assumptions based on the real world. Enel's max is 200million volts, but maxim's max is well over that. enough to create the Columbus cloud that you are talking about. And on top of that need I remind you in nature Columbus cloud actually creates anti mater during lightning discharge? And he's not discharging this balls of anti matter from a distance, he's crashing that giant ball of antimatter into the island. Do i need to remind you what happens when antimatter and matter comes into contact? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I don't even know anymore if this thread had Enel discussions when I first started posting in it. Oh wait, I remember now. I was visiting this thread before Oda was wrong, before Oda did not say it was not Haki. Does that make me a hipster? | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
TLDR (edit) Just no one can say that no counter argument has been produced to say enel isn't the strongest Anyone not wanting to read Enel discussion don't bother with the spoiler + Show Spoiler + People are mentioning the enel's lightning is weak because it couldn't kill people like Connis' dad. In all honesty that is really not a legit argument since people really don't die much in One Piece anyway. On the flip side Enel is far from unbeatable. The argument that enel can just sit in his ship and nuke whoever he wants and thats it is flawed. Failure to be able to be attacked does not imply that one can hit whoever he wants. Meaning Enel could for example maybe hit connis' dad whenever he wanted but say Luffy which also has observation Haki can dodge the attack that enel throws it doesn't mean he can retaliate against enel while he is in the spaceship but that if u follow it to its endpoint is a draw. It has also been shown that people like WB can use observation Haki while asleep we don't know if Luffy's OH is that good yet though. So enels main advantage is that he can attack most people with immunity but if you really think about it why does he need a ship for that? He can attack Connis's dad or Ussopp or *insert a non haki person here* with immunity from his space ship but couldnt he do that anyway without a ship? I mean they can't hit him anyway. And people that have Haki may not be able to find him since he is nukeing from far away but they still can sense the lightning attack coming and dodge that. Then you have people who can take away the advantage of the flying ship like Sanji (skywalk), FUjitori (gravity fruit), CP9-guys (geppou) Of course Enel can sense them coming from a long way away but as I said if you follow this to its conclusion its a draw. These characters may not be able to attack him if Enel were smart (and thats a big if right there) but he can't attack them either. edit:forgot to mention that. While enel may be fast his ship is no where close to that speed. And apparently enel cant fly. otherwise he wouldnt of needed the arc to get to the moon. So he can only move in the sky as fast as the arc lets him go. Of course he could abandon ship and snipe from an island cloud or something but a smart adversary would take that time to destroy his ship. The only reason I posted this and the edit was so people couldn't truthfully say that noone has come up with a couter argument to enel being "all powerful". Too bad they don't listen to reason. Its like the enel "lol enel can never be beaten religion" or something | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
For me, Enel would be at a Kid level post skip, because of his sadistic tendencies wanting to kill people. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On February 04 2014 14:26 rei wrote: Terranghost, Enel's maxim can produce Columbus cloud, which produces a particular antimatter name positron, when an positron come into contact with any electron they annihilate each other into none existence. No amount of haki or any other devil fruit can survive an encounter with antimatter. It's a matter of physics. You don't really think physics is the same in OP do ya ? Or Nami is the strongest of all. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On February 04 2014 14:26 rei wrote: Terranghost, Enel's maxim can produce Columbus cloud, which produces a particular antimatter name positron, when an positron come into contact with any electron they annihilate each other into none existence. No amount of haki or any other devil fruit can survive an encounter with antimatter. It's a matter of physics. If there's physics in One Piece, explain Nami's & Robin's boobs. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
If I may, I brought up that the Goro Goro No Mi(currently possessed by Enel) and the Arch Maxim could potentially be the ancient weapon Uranus. This thread only devolved back into madness when *ahem* someone said that A. the Goro Goro No Mi is a mid end fruit and B. Kizaru is the strongest anyway. I have no idea when, how or why we got antimatter and real life physics into this discussion. For all I know there is no one that seriously argues that Enel is unstoppable or anything. So could we please stop exaggerating our claims. It only hardens the arguments and makes everyone sound angry. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
I wouldn't be surprised if he came back because Oda doesn't seem to let characters go to waste. I dunno if he would come back in that capacity though, as I would think Oda would want to weave in the last ancient weapon as something completely new and not introduced yet. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 04 2014 15:53 Slaughter wrote: Are people saying that Goro Goro No Mi + that ship might be Uranus? I am trying to remember where Enel got the plans for that ship since it seemed tailor made to his power. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back because Oda doesn't seem to let characters go to waste. I dunno if he would come back in that capacity though, as I would think Oda would want to weave in the last ancient weapon as something completely new and not introduced yet. It's possible that he found the Goro Goro No Mi next to the ship's blueprints on Bilka or something. The location of the blueprints and the devil fruit to be used with it would be located in the same place, that place being a sky island. Poseidon of the sea (Shirahoshi) Pluton of the underworld (iceburg/franky blueprints) Uranus of the sky (goro goro no mi + blue prints found on a sky island) ^Somethings along those lines, really. | ||
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