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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
February 04 2014 20:55 GMT
#13161
On February 04 2014 01:10 BlackMagister wrote:
Seen on the One Piece reddit

Zoro Mousepad


Where's the Nami one!?
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 04 2014 20:56 GMT
#13162
Na the anime is just extremly screwing with the pacing and giving anime only people the wrong idea about his powers. Was so dumb how it took 5minutes of the 20min episode for him to slice up those thugs, it did no dmg and was not relevant to his powers since he clearly doesn't need to cut someone first to use his gravity fruit.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18440 Posts
February 04 2014 20:57 GMT
#13163
On February 05 2014 05:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Na the anime is just extremly screwing with the pacing and giving anime only people the wrong idea about his powers. Was so dumb how it took 5minutes of the 20min episode for him to slice up those thugs, it did no dmg and was not relevant to his powers since he clearly doesn't need to cut someone first to use his gravity fruit.


and what makes you say that? the anime usually is very accurate on the portrayal on fruits
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 04 2014 21:02 GMT
#13164
On February 05 2014 05:57 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 05:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Na the anime is just extremly screwing with the pacing and giving anime only people the wrong idea about his powers. Was so dumb how it took 5minutes of the 20min episode for him to slice up those thugs, it did no dmg and was not relevant to his powers since he clearly doesn't need to cut someone first to use his gravity fruit.


and what makes you say that? the anime usually is very accurate on the portrayal on fruits


I'm not saying it's impossible that it's actually his fruit that has the devil fruit like you said, just that he doesn't need to sliceup people to use his gravitation fruit as he's shown to just summon a meteor out of the blue on Doflamingo and Law.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
February 04 2014 21:03 GMT
#13165
On February 05 2014 04:45 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:57 Prog455 wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:06 sc2holar wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:58 Prog455 wrote:
On February 04 2014 02:44 sc2holar wrote:
On February 04 2014 02:36 Mensol wrote:
Are you kidding me? Do you really think that Oda going to kill main characters such as Usopp?

Also his fruit is better than pika pika or w/e. If Oda made Robin say something like invincible, you can't say that "his fruit is shit kekekekekekek"

Its faaaaar from "shit". But there is no way you can argue that the lightning logia is more powerful than the Light logia based on logic, what we have seen in the manga and simple common sense.

The lightning Logia has far to many natural weaknesses. Its useless against elements and matter that does not conduct electicity as shown in skypeia arc, and you could add like 70% of all logias to that list. Come on, use some common sense. What Robin said at THAT point in the manga is sort of irrelevant.


You can now stop pulling facts out of your ass. What you are saying is flat out wrong. Period.

You say that 70% of Logias are immune to lightning. Let us check.
Aside from Enel himself, there is currently 8 (known) living Logia users, that being:
- Smoker: Will conduct electricity
- Kuzan: Will conduct electricity
- Blackbeard: Will conduct electricity
- Caribou: Will conduct electricity

There you have it - atleast 50% of the current active Logias will conduct electricity. I didn't care to check for more, since this was enough to prove you wrong. However - regardless of wether sand conducts electricity, it will certainly be affected by the heat. Same goes for gas. Furthermore, each of the other Logias will be affected if the lightning is haki imbued.

Also can you please shut up about magma being stronger than fire, if you are so keen on trying to argue about the strength of Enels fruit based on science. Magma is molten rocks, and will often be about 700-1,400 degrees celcius, based on the type of rock. The temperature of fire depens on the material that is burning, but atleast go as far as 3,000 degrees celcius. Lightning, by the way, have temperatures at up to 54,000 degrees celcius.

In case you didn't know: 1,400 < 3,000 < 54,000.

Conclusion: out of Ace, Akainu and Enel, Akainu has the weaker fruit, which i guess would be a low-tier Logia by your logic.


Magma has the ability to smother flames, and is not a conduct of electicity. So it beats both Lightning and Fire.
Also, purely elemental/logia based attacks have so far never been imbued with haki so we dont know for a fact if that is possible or not.


None of the Logias so far has been a pure element.

Yes there has.

And i was talking about logia based attacks. Like Ace conjuring up a giant "cloud" of flames or enel shooting lightning bolts. we have never seen these types of moves used in combination with haki


Fire is not an element, it is a chemical reaction. Likewise water is no more of an element than alchohol.

I think you are confusing science with Pokemon.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
February 04 2014 21:14 GMT
#13166
Spoilers are out but idk if its confirmed or not.

+ Show Spoiler +
- Pica can assimilate himself into rock.
- Sabo and Burgess crashed in the center of the ring.
- Sabo takes care of Burgess with single hand and crushes his armour.
- The process of making toys is getting clearer as well as Trebol’s DF ability.
- Cavendish has been turned into a toy.
- Usopp, Robin and Dwarves have reached where Sugar is.
- Leo comes up with a special strategy to take down Sugar.
- S.O.P operation is about to succeed !?
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 22:09:09
February 04 2014 21:49 GMT
#13167
Discussing spoilers (potentially):
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 05 2014 06:14 Mensol wrote:
Spoilers are out but idk if its confirmed or not.

+ Show Spoiler +
- Pica can assimilate himself into rock.
- Sabo and Burgess crashed in the center of the ring.
- Sabo takes care of Burgess with single hand and crushes his armour.
- The process of making toys is getting clearer as well as Trebol’s DF ability.
- Cavendish has been turned into a toy.
- Usopp, Robin and Dwarves have reached where Sugar is.
- Leo comes up with a special strategy to take down Sugar.
- S.O.P operation is about to succeed !?


If Burgess really goes down that quickly/easily, there'll be something that brings him back. That or this is fake.
Blackbeard's #2 taken out by not even the strongest revolutionary with one shot? Might as well just declare Sabo the pirate king.

Fake, or Burgess is hiding something.

EDIT: Ah ok, I read some mangahelpers spoilers which clarified some stuff. Guess we'll wait for the actual chapter though.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 22:15:30
February 04 2014 22:10 GMT
#13168
On February 05 2014 06:49 bittman wrote:
Discussing spoilers (potentially):
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 05 2014 06:14 Mensol wrote:
Spoilers are out but idk if its confirmed or not.

+ Show Spoiler +
- Pica can assimilate himself into rock.
- Sabo and Burgess crashed in the center of the ring.
- Sabo takes care of Burgess with single hand and crushes his armour.
- The process of making toys is getting clearer as well as Trebol’s DF ability.
- Cavendish has been turned into a toy.
- Usopp, Robin and Dwarves have reached where Sugar is.
- Leo comes up with a special strategy to take down Sugar.
- S.O.P operation is about to succeed !?


If Burgess really goes down that quickly/easily, there'll be something that brings him back. That or this is fake.
Blackbeard's #2 taken out by not even the strongest revolutionary with one shot? Might as well just declare Sabo the pirate king.

Fake, or Burgess is hiding something.

+ Show Spoiler +
Burgess isnt Blackbeard's #2 -_-

People like Avalo Pizzaro and Vasco Shot are no joke, also Catarina Devon who was the he most dangerous female pirate ever to be imprisoned in Impel Down. You cant say Burgess stronger them just because he is 1st divison commander
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 22:32:12
February 04 2014 22:31 GMT
#13169
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 04 2014 23:03 GMT
#13170
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18440 Posts
February 04 2014 23:05 GMT
#13171
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?


he means #2 as in second most powerful I am pretty sure
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 04 2014 23:10 GMT
#13172
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 04 2014 23:19 GMT
#13173
On February 05 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.


I kinda think hes the 2nd most strongest but Burgess might be stronger. But a lot of things can happen like maybe Burgess is defeated before the crews officially face-off which would make sense considering there is 1 more person in BB crew than Luffy's if iirc (not counting Jimbei even though he will probably join before they battle).
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
February 04 2014 23:29 GMT
#13174
I remember Burgess being outmatched by Ace back in Ace vs BB fight, if Sabo is of Ace caliber, I don't know why it shouldn't be possible.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 23:40:30
February 04 2014 23:37 GMT
#13175
On February 05 2014 08:19 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.


I kinda think hes the 2nd most strongest but Burgess might be stronger. But a lot of things can happen like maybe Burgess is defeated before the crews officially face-off which would make sense considering there is 1 more person in BB crew than Luffy's if iirc (not counting Jimbei even though he will probably join before they battle).

You can understand with simply logic that he isnt the second most strongest.

Burgess outmatched by Ace two years ago but same thing wouldnt've happened if one of the prisoners faced with Ace. All of prisoners were so fucking dangerous that their crimes erased from history.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 04 2014 23:47 GMT
#13176
On February 05 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 08:19 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.


I kinda think hes the 2nd most strongest but Burgess might be stronger. But a lot of things can happen like maybe Burgess is defeated before the crews officially face-off which would make sense considering there is 1 more person in BB crew than Luffy's if iirc (not counting Jimbei even though he will probably join before they battle).

You can understand with simply logic that he isnt the second most strongest.

Burgess outmatched by Ace two years ago but same thing wouldnt've happened if one of the prisoners faced with Ace. All of prisoners were so fucking dangerous that their crimes erased from history.


Thats flawed logic. Just because all the prisoners at level 6 were stronger than Burgress 2 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't have surpassed them.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44171 Posts
February 04 2014 23:58 GMT
#13177
am i the only one who thinks Ace is not that strong and pretty mediocre without his DF ?
this is a quote
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 00:05:37
February 05 2014 00:04 GMT
#13178
On February 05 2014 08:47 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:19 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.


I kinda think hes the 2nd most strongest but Burgess might be stronger. But a lot of things can happen like maybe Burgess is defeated before the crews officially face-off which would make sense considering there is 1 more person in BB crew than Luffy's if iirc (not counting Jimbei even though he will probably join before they battle).

You can understand with simply logic that he isnt the second most strongest.

Burgess outmatched by Ace two years ago but same thing wouldnt've happened if one of the prisoners faced with Ace. All of prisoners were so fucking dangerous that their crimes erased from history.


Thats flawed logic. Just because all the prisoners at level 6 were stronger than Burgress 2 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't have surpassed them.

So you mean that Burgess got much much stronger while prisoners stayed on same level? what the?

Burgess is indeed weaker than prisoners.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 05 2014 00:05 GMT
#13179
On February 05 2014 08:58 goody153 wrote:
am i the only one who thinks Ace is not that strong and pretty mediocre without his DF ?


Probably not but its impossible to judge since we never saw him fight without his DF and it is unclear whether he could use Haki although it is hard to believe than the 2nd in command of a Yonkou can't use haki.
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
February 05 2014 00:06 GMT
#13180
On February 05 2014 09:04 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 08:47 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:19 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
On February 05 2014 08:03 GettingIt wrote:
On February 05 2014 07:31 Sentenal wrote:
As far as Blackbeard's crew goes, even though we basically have no idea how powerful any of them are relative to almost anyone, I always just imagined Shiliew to be Blackbeard's #2, simply because he seems like the one who will eventually get matched up with Zoro.


Do you mean #2 as in first mate or as in the second most powerful?

2nd most powerful. Which normally is the first mate, but I guess maybe that won't be true with Blackbeard's crew? Who knows at this point.


I kinda think hes the 2nd most strongest but Burgess might be stronger. But a lot of things can happen like maybe Burgess is defeated before the crews officially face-off which would make sense considering there is 1 more person in BB crew than Luffy's if iirc (not counting Jimbei even though he will probably join before they battle).

You can understand with simply logic that he isnt the second most strongest.

Burgess outmatched by Ace two years ago but same thing wouldnt've happened if one of the prisoners faced with Ace. All of prisoners were so fucking dangerous that their crimes erased from history.


Thats flawed logic. Just because all the prisoners at level 6 were stronger than Burgress 2 years ago doesn't mean he couldn't have surpassed them.

So you mean that Burgess got stronger but prisoners stayed on same level? what the?

Burgess is indeed weaker than prisoners.


That is not what I meant, what I meant was that Burgess improved a lot more than they did.
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