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On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly.
we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way?
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On January 08 2014 23:09 Serejai wrote:
I voted Shanks but that's only because Enel hasn't taken over a spot from Big Mom or Kaido yet.
No dude, Enel going to take Shanks's spot.
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On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way?
There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy
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On January 09 2014 03:39 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way? There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy
all im saying is its possible that not everyone forgets the toys
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Have we seen if people outside of Dressrosa lose their memory yet? Maybe the memory lose is only if you are near enough to the toy? Also can DD's crew remember who is who? I would imagine so. This would mean there are ways around/limits on the "Forgetting"?
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On January 09 2014 03:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:39 DODswe4 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way? There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy all im saying is its possible that not everyone forgets the toys
obviously its possible. however, it is very unlikely. therefore it is stupid to make theories based on assumptions such as this when the chances of it being true are so slim
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Actually Forikorder is in the right on this, if you follow the actual discussion
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On January 09 2014 04:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:39 DODswe4 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way? There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy all im saying is its possible that not everyone forgets the toys obviously its possible. however, it is very unlikely. therefore it is stupid to make theories based on assumptions such as this when the chances of it being true are so slim
i wasnt making any theories, i was jsut saying its possible
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fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns.
EDIT: source maddafacka
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On January 09 2014 04:31 Afmug wrote:fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns. EDIT: source maddafacka
fuck you talk like a 12 year old. we already know moria was hiding somewhere, were talking about whether its possible that hes been captured by doflamingo at some point during the 2 years. and this is one piece DISCUSSION, well discuss whatever we want.
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On January 09 2014 04:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:31 Afmug wrote:fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns. EDIT: source maddafacka fuck you talk like a 12 year old. we already know moria was hiding somewhere, were talking about whether its possible that hes been captured by doflamingo at some point during the 2 years. and this is one piece DISCUSSION, well discuss whatever we want.
about one piece 
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On January 09 2014 04:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:31 Afmug wrote:fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns. EDIT: source maddafacka fuck you talk like a 12 year old. we already know moria was hiding somewhere, were talking about whether its possible that hes been captured by doflamingo at some point during the 2 years. and this is one piece DISCUSSION, well discuss whatever we want.
oh no, i am getting attacked because i proposed logical information in a discussionthread! mod, where art thou. whatever, i was just fulfilling my previous post with the information that it lacked, as a sidebar. apparently, the internet is not fond of my sarcasm, which is beyond me, because i couldn't possibly have offended anyone by saying that a discussion was "sucky".
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You mean that sarcasm you're unable to convey? Gotcha.
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On January 09 2014 07:18 Afmug wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 09 2014 04:31 Afmug wrote:fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns. EDIT: source maddafacka fuck you talk like a 12 year old. we already know moria was hiding somewhere, were talking about whether its possible that hes been captured by doflamingo at some point during the 2 years. and this is one piece DISCUSSION, well discuss whatever we want. oh no, i am getting attacked because i proposed logical information in a discussionthread! mod, where art thou. whatever, i was just fulfilling my previous post with the information that it lacked, as a sidebar. apparently, the internet is not fond of my sarcasm, which is beyond me, because i couldn't possibly have offended anyone by saying that a discussion was "sucky".
Afmug, how do you feel about Ace, and his relative strength compared to the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates?
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I'd also love to see a translation. Even if it's un-scanned and text only.
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On January 09 2014 04:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:39 DODswe4 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way? There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy all im saying is its possible that not everyone forgets the toys obviously its possible. however, it is very unlikely. therefore it is stupid to make theories based on assumptions such as this when the chances of it being true are so slim
actually i'm on forik's side as well... i don't think it is very unlikely. it's possible that the effects of the toy girl is affected by range and i think we should wait until moria appears/is mentioned again (if dead) before you should make conclusive argument
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On January 09 2014 09:30 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 09 2014 03:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:39 DODswe4 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:31 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 03:25 sumsaR wrote:On January 09 2014 02:30 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On January 09 2014 00:56 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2014 00:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
because theres no evidence of anybody remembering a person who is currently a toy? why do you make things so hard for yourself just because something hasnt happened doesnt mean its literally impossible.... LOL There are million things that hasn't happened. They are't literally impossible either. There are so many improbable things that cannot be disproved. The onus is on you to argue why something is possible, not for the other person to argue why it isn't literally impossible. I might as well claim that the celestial dragons can transform into invisible dragons that fly in the air sometimes, which nobody has any way of detecting. I might as well claim that Shanks is the same person as Kaidu. There's no evidence for it, but it hasn't happened yet so it isn't literally impossible! her ability makes the toys forget themselves, and everyone else forget them if it doesnt always work on the toys why would it be wierd if it doesnt always work on everyone else? Because the first point has been shown and proven, and there's no proof whatsoever of the second. Why make assumptions based on assumptions? That's just silly. we have in comic proof that her ability to alter memories is not perfect, why assume thats its only not perfect in one very specific way shown and completely perfect in every other way? There is no a proof show that people can't remember. We have not seen anyone remeber the person toy was. Might it be imperfect? yes. is it likely? no, because we have seen a few toys remeber who they are but we have not seen a single person remeber a toy all im saying is its possible that not everyone forgets the toys obviously its possible. however, it is very unlikely. therefore it is stupid to make theories based on assumptions such as this when the chances of it being true are so slim actually i'm on forik's side as well... i don't think it is very unlikely. it's possible that the effects of the toy girl is affected by range and i think we should wait until moria appears/is mentioned again (if dead) before you should make conclusive argument
although if Moria was caught and Toyified it would explain why Absalom is now a reporter (assuming he forgot about him)
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On January 08 2014 15:43 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:48 Sentenal wrote:On January 08 2014 14:04 GettingIt wrote:On January 08 2014 12:52 RenSC2 wrote:
I do expect Moria to come back and play a role when Kaido takes center stage. However, I don't think the video's theory is correct. When Doflamingo reported Moria missing, he must not have been a toy at the time because he would have been forgotten. Even if there is a way for certain people like Doflamingo and the CP0 guy to remember toys, Mihawk and Perona talk about Moria.
So the only way Moria is a toy now is if Doflamingo caught him later or if he captured him at the time, but didn't make him into a toy immediately. Doflamingo may be incredibly strong, but Moria is no pushover either. It seems doubtful that Doflamingo could restrain Moria and take him away without a whole lot of people knowing about it.
The theory that Absalom saved Moria seems more correct. Perhaps the invisible fruit can also mask the user against observation haki? Or maybe Doflamingo just thought it'd be more interesting if Moria was also in the mix... he does seem to want to watch the whole world burn. My thoughts were that Doflamingo understood that Moria went invisible somehow and let him escape, but then went immediately after him afterward while he was still weak so that he could capture him and take him to Dressrosa. On the other hand I also think its a possibility that Absalom's fruit disguises presence like a certain character from Hunter X Hunter.For myself I hope the former is true because I think that would make for a better story than Moria showing up at some critical moment against Kaidou as some sort of hero. What? Why would Doflamingo let someone escape and then immediately capture them afterwards? Thats just really bad storytelling. Moria has next to no connection to anything or anyone in Dressrosa right now, so adding him into the mix doesn't really benefit the story very much. No idea why you would want Moria here just for the sake of it. Well you see the thing was for Doflamingo to keep him as a toy and use him as a safeguard against Kaidou if things got messy.
Getting back to this, why would Moria be a safe guard against Kaidou? Moria's entire thing was that he was defeated and his crew was wiped out by Kaidou. That doesn't sound like very good anti-Kaidou defense to me.
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I don't see how that's relevant since if Absalom remember Moria then he would think a change in career is a smart choice since Moria lost his Shichibukai status and most of his Thriller Bark crew. If he doesn't journalism is still a great career match for someone with invisibility powers.
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