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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 09 2014 00:51 GMT
#12201
Or maybe Absalom and Moria are working together, and have some plan? We can only guess for now. At any rate, I don't think what Absalom is currently doing is in any way indicative of what Moria is doing.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 09 2014 01:27 GMT
#12202
On January 09 2014 09:51 Sentenal wrote:
Or maybe Absalom and Moria are working together, and have some plan? We can only guess for now. At any rate, I don't think what Absalom is currently doing is in any way indicative of what Moria is doing.

it really does make we wonder why Absalom is doing it though... is Moria just broke and in need of funds and they decided that was the fastest way? is he just trying to cause chaos by bringing out stories like these?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 09 2014 06:45 GMT
#12203
By the way, the G-8 filler is really damn funny and also quite decent. Best filler imo.
maru lover forever
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2539 Posts
January 09 2014 07:17 GMT
#12204
On January 09 2014 07:18 Afmug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:31 Afmug wrote:
fuck your discussion, back to moriah. it states in the wikia that "the new world times" has stated that several people report seeing moriah alive and that he is currently hiding in the new world. i am unable to find translated scans for this part of the manga, as it consists of two supplementary pages at the end of chapter 664, which sucky mangareader didn't spend time translating, or scanlating for that matter. now back to your sucky discussion that makes no sense. popped are my corns.

EDIT: source maddafacka

fuck you talk like a 12 year old. we already know moria was hiding somewhere, were talking about whether its possible that hes been captured by doflamingo at some point during the 2 years. and this is one piece DISCUSSION, well discuss whatever we want.

oh no, i am getting attacked because i proposed logical information in a discussionthread! mod, where art thou. whatever, i was just fulfilling my previous post with the information that it lacked, as a sidebar. apparently, the internet is not fond of my sarcasm, which is beyond me, because i couldn't possibly have offended anyone by saying that a discussion was "sucky".

It seems like you tend to antagonize people and then act defensive when they retaliate. I'm not sure how developed your social skills are but usually saying something like "fuck your X" is viewed as an attack. There are actually a million different ways you can phrase your sentences in which you won't garner negative emotional responses. In fact you could have simply eliminated your entire first sentence and just posted "it states in the wikia..." and onwards and people would actually pay attention to what you wrote instead of your negative tone. I know it can be a hard concept to comprehend, but no one is actually out to get you here or anywhere else. So please just tone it down and discuss the manga.
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
January 09 2014 09:26 GMT
#12205
People who didnt vote Blackbeard for the strongest Yonkou are biased as fuck, the guy's invincible.
Only reason he'll be defeated is Nakama no jutsu
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 09 2014 09:32 GMT
#12206
Blackbeard is also an idiot at times though. He and his whole crew got KO'd by Magellan back before he expanded his crew and gained Whitebeard's power. He isn't invincible and even he knows that.
Never Knows Best.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18421 Posts
January 09 2014 09:33 GMT
#12207
On January 09 2014 18:26 Lylat wrote:
People who didnt vote Blackbeard for the strongest Yonkou are biased as fuck, the guy's invincible.
Only reason he'll be defeated is Nakama no jutsu


Blackbeards greatest weakness is his strength, he is too arrogant.

He was lucky against both magellan and whitebeard
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1060 Posts
January 09 2014 09:42 GMT
#12208
Blackbeard was able to leave a nasty scar on Shanks's face before he had any devil's fruits. Since then, he's gained at least two very powerful devil's fruits. His arrogance will probably be his undoing, but I voted him as the strongest. As long as he's not being arrogant, he just seems too good.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 09 2014 09:51 GMT
#12209
yep voted for Blackbeard, as well. He's obviously the final grandline boss for Pirate King title (before a possible Luffy Alliance vs World Government war) and he has 2 Super Broken Devilfruits.
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
January 09 2014 10:41 GMT
#12210
I voted Blackbeard but I don't think hes the strongest at this very moment. I voted for him because I think he will easily be the strongest as the final battle between him and Luffy approaches. (Thats comparing him to the Yonkous at their current level assuming they're all defeated by then).
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 09 2014 11:41 GMT
#12211
I wonder if he is taking in all those fruit powers himself or is giving them to his crew.
Never Knows Best.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 12:03:29
January 09 2014 12:02 GMT
#12212
Blackbeard is definitely the final boss.

I still feel we honestly haven't seen his true strength. For a guy who takes a lot of quite devastating hits, he does pretty well. The way he talks about his logia taking damage, I'm thinking there's definitely something more to him than what we've seen.

I mean this was a guy who pre-earthquake Shanks was really worried about.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 09 2014 12:25 GMT
#12213
Sometimes I think Coby is the final boss, sometimes I think it's Blackbeard, sometimes it's Smoker. Even other times, I think the true final boss is war that will come when they discover One Piece, the boss being Celestial Dragons, etc.
maru lover forever
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 09 2014 12:34 GMT
#12214
On January 09 2014 21:25 Incognoto wrote:
Sometimes I think Coby is the final boss, sometimes I think it's Blackbeard, sometimes it's Smoker. Even other times, I think the true final boss is war that will come when they discover One Piece, the boss being Celestial Dragons, etc.


Well I do have this theory that the Gorousei are actually kickass and Bonney will youth-ify them and they'll just pwn face.

Smoker's post-timeskip appearance on the other hand really was underwhelming. He's not Luffy's level if he lost so quickly to Law. As a Smoker fan, that made me sad.

Coby...well I never thought it was him, but I definitely think he'll be a player at the end. Probably one of the characters post-timeskip I'm most excited to see.
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Cite
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia251 Posts
January 09 2014 13:09 GMT
#12215
Whats been bugging me about blackbeard's power is: If say Luffy launched a pistol/bullet what have you hardened with haki at blackbeard, wouldnt the main source of luffy's power (the elastic charge up and what not) be transferred to Blackbeard as if he didn't have his Yami Yami anyways (Since haki would allow luffy to "hit" him even though hes logia)? If yes, then wouldnt this be another case of luffy being a natural counter to another person? Since mainly luffy would just need to not be touched by him without haki? I guess the crux of this lies on how long does Blackbeard's DF negate other DFs after being touched once.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 09 2014 13:13 GMT
#12216
Smoker is luffy's Garp.
Never Knows Best.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18421 Posts
January 09 2014 13:17 GMT
#12217
On January 09 2014 22:13 Slaughter wrote:
Smoker is luffy's Garp.


No thats coby. Smoker has already fallen below luffy
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 09 2014 13:22 GMT
#12218
On January 09 2014 22:17 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 22:13 Slaughter wrote:
Smoker is luffy's Garp.


No thats coby. Smoker has already fallen below luffy


I agree with Slaughter. Coby never was Luffy's level by the way. Smoker might still make admiral and get stronger. Thing is Smoker has been having a bad time with his match ups. First getting his ass handed to him by Hancock, then Law, then Vergo, then Doflamingo. It's not like any of these are push-overs. He's still "only" Vice-admiral.

Garp and Roger have had a very long rivalry, just like Smoker and Luffy. The reason Smoker so desperately wants to take in Luffy is that he's a pirate who doesn't fear death (just like Roger). However they clearly don't hate each other, just like Garp and Roger.

Smoker will power up, as will Tashigi; they'll be fit matches for both Luffy and Zoro. At very least, that's how I see it.
maru lover forever
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 09 2014 13:23 GMT
#12219
Smoker can get stronger too. Coby will need a huge power up relatively fast to do anything. Plus he roots for luffy more then anything while smoker is the relentless pursuer.
Never Knows Best.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
January 09 2014 13:26 GMT
#12220
I don't think any character that has an ethical sense of justice is going to be final boss material.
What I expect is that all these people that on paper are Luffy's enemies like Smoker and Coby will at the very end stand by his side against the "absolute justice" branch of the Marines and the Tenryuubito/Marie Joa armies.
We all know something is very wrong with who is in charge in OP and I am pretty sure even marines will join Luffy when all the cards are revealed.


But back to Moriah and memories:
Doesn't Doflamingo(and his crew) still remember who the toys are? The part of memory altering is not damn magic, it is part of an ability that has to be controlled by a person(and people make mistakes).
Also, just think of how many people know who Moriah is. He was a Shichibukai. He is literally in the newspaper from time to time.
If turning Moriah into a toy would alter the memories of all the people in the entire world, then the little toymaker Sugar is the DF user with the longest reach of any person in One Piece. She would even outrange Enel, Kizaru and anyone yet to be introduced, because her ability would have to have global range to do that.

So no, I don't think that people remembering Moriah in this case means he is not a toy. I do not buy that a little girl with pseudo-psychic powers is an underling to Doflamingo.
If this was a horror story, the little girl with psychic powers would be the most powerful being in the world. But this is One Piece. I severely doubt that a person without great ambition just is that powerful.

I repeat: Memory altering is an ability, most likely of that little girl, not a fucking magic side effect of the devil fruit. If that ability has global range I will eat my hat. That a single person can use this ability perfectly on everyone on the entire world is just ludicrous in my opinion.
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