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On December 12 2012 06:22 iSometric wrote:Forik are you seriously retarded in the head? After 50 pages of bs that you post, you should realize that your comments are just a bunch of dump, and you should realize to just stop trolling/ being a retarded 5 year old.
you know its reallyh ard trying to have a conversation when all you do is throw insults like were still in Kindergarden
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Far from the current conversation, I'm rereading One Piece from the start and reached chapter where Kuro explains how he faked his death. And there it shows the marine guy who was hypnotized to think he had captured Kuro and executed him.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2086-15/one-piece/chapter-37.html
That marine is Morgan ! I had never realized, my mind is seriously blown xD Just for that detail it was already worth rereading 
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@Forik
Just shut it already. You claim so many things as "stated" in the manga and when proof comes to light, you backpedal and say, he didn't say it directly in the manga, but he implied it. Jeez, how far do you want to keep dragging your head in the mud just to keep up your internet fantasy of being a Shounen Manga know-it-all.
You don't have proof, that is a fact.
I will restate my example just so you don't have to go back a few pages to re-read my example.
an apple and an orange are edible and give you vitamins when you ingest them. Given that context they perform the same. The general term for them is they are fruit. But even though they are similar in that regard. They are not the same. An apple is not an orange called a different name, nor is it the other way around.
How does that apply? Rokushiki and Haki are both abilities/techniques you can use in battle. The general term is "abilities or techniques". They perform similarly but are not the same. Again, I would also go back to Rayleigh's explanation. If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there.
So unless you are Oda or have concrete proof that Oda is actually saying it is, STFU already. You are the one acting like a kid who just can't deal with the fact he was wrong or has no actual proof. You are just twisting it to fit the convenience to the hole you've already dug yourself.
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On December 12 2012 09:04 17Sphynx17 wrote:
@Forik
Just shut it already. You claim so many things as "stated" in the manga and when proof comes to light, you backpedal and say, he didn't say it directly in the manga, but he implied it. Jeez, how far do you want to keep dragging your head in the mud just to keep up your internet fantasy of being a Shounen Manga know-it-all.
You don't have proof, that is a fact.
I will restate my example just so you don't have to go back a few pages to re-read my example.
an apple and an orange are edible and give you vitamins when you ingest them. Given that context they perform the same. The general term for them is they are fruit. But even though they are similar in that regard. They are not the same. An apple is not an orange called a different name, nor is it the other way around.
How does that apply? Rokushiki and Haki are both abilities/techniques you can use in battle. The general term is "abilities or techniques". They perform similarly but are not the same. Again, I would also go back to Rayleigh's explanation. If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there.
So unless you are Oda or have concrete proof that Oda is actually saying it is, STFU already. You are the one acting like a kid who just can't deal with the fact he was wrong or has no actual proof. You are just twisting it to fit the convenience to the hole you've already dug yourself.
first of all about them being used as an example i think your timeline is completely screwed up if you think that CP9 happened between the amazon island and Rayleigh explaining Haki
unless your trying to say that Enel would not have been used as the example of Observation but considering he was probably the peak of what its possible to do with Observation Haki it makes perfect sense for Luffy to strongly remember him
Haki is a power that is within everyone it is not comparing apples to oranges if Rokoshiki is powered by some sort of unnatural ability and is not entirely dependant on Phyiscal strength and skill then it is powered by Haki
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Seriously fork, how old are you?
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On December 12 2012 09:11 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:04 17Sphynx17 wrote:
@Forik
Just shut it already. You claim so many things as "stated" in the manga and when proof comes to light, you backpedal and say, he didn't say it directly in the manga, but he implied it. Jeez, how far do you want to keep dragging your head in the mud just to keep up your internet fantasy of being a Shounen Manga know-it-all.
You don't have proof, that is a fact.
I will restate my example just so you don't have to go back a few pages to re-read my example.
an apple and an orange are edible and give you vitamins when you ingest them. Given that context they perform the same. The general term for them is they are fruit. But even though they are similar in that regard. They are not the same. An apple is not an orange called a different name, nor is it the other way around.
How does that apply? Rokushiki and Haki are both abilities/techniques you can use in battle. The general term is "abilities or techniques". They perform similarly but are not the same. Again, I would also go back to Rayleigh's explanation. If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there.
So unless you are Oda or have concrete proof that Oda is actually saying it is, STFU already. You are the one acting like a kid who just can't deal with the fact he was wrong or has no actual proof. You are just twisting it to fit the convenience to the hole you've already dug yourself. first of all about them being used as an example i think your timeline is completely screwed up if you think that CP9 happened between the amazon island and Rayleigh explaining Haki unless your trying to say that Enel would not have been used as the example of Observation but considering he was probably the peak of what its possible to do with Observation Haki it makes perfect sense for Luffy to strongly remember him Haki is a power that is within everyone it is not comparing apples to oranges if Rokoshiki is powered by some sort of unnatural ability and is not entirely dependant on Phyiscal strength and skill then it is powered by Haki
Where the fuck did he say CP9 happened between amazon island and Rayleigh explaining haki? Second, Enel used Observation Haki because Rayleigh specifically said that Mantra in skypeia is another name for Observation Haki.
If you want to be taken seriously then from now on you should only make statements that are 100% true (ie, it's stated in the manga) and leave out all of your ridiculous speculations. Nowhere in the manga does it mention that Rokoshiki is Haki so until oda puts it in the manga you should stfu about it.
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If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there.
he said it right here, the 2 examples for Armament was cobra chick and broadaxe dude, if it was much closer to the timeline of training like he said then it must have happened after they met broadaxe whivh is jsut wrong since both broadaxe and cobra chick happened after CP9 so would obviously be the people Luffy would think about
the 2 examples for Observation was other snake chick and Enel and while CP9 did apear after Enel CP9 never really used much dodging techniques really so Luffy wouldnt think of them when it comes to observation Haki but since Enel pretty much relyed entirely on obsveration haki as defense he would be the first person to come to mind (along with the other snake chick who was so recent)
if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread
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On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there. he said it right here, the 2 examples for Armament was cobra chick and broadaxe dude, if it was much closer to the timeline of training like he said then it must have happened after they met broadaxe whivh is jsut wrong since both broadaxe and cobra chick happened after CP9 so would obviously be the people Luffy would think about the 2 examples for Observation was other snake chick and Enel and while CP9 did apear after Enel CP9 never really used much dodging techniques really so Luffy wouldnt think of them when it comes to observation Haki but since Enel pretty much relyed entirely on obsveration haki as defense he would be the first person to come to mind (along with the other snake chick who was so recent) if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread
I can't believe we're still arguing about this. You are the one making assumptions by equating everything to Haki, not the people that think otherwise. The Onepiece universe works in completely different ways than ours. For example, a starfish could become bipedal if he thinks he's a human for long enough. Fishman island somehow bends water to create currents that float through the air, seemingly with nothing supporting them. It's not safe to assume that just because you can jump on the air or make your body hard as a rock that you're using Haki.
And even if what you are saying is true, why wouldn't Luffy recall one of the numerous times he encountered "soru" or "geppo". Coby used it, CP9 used it, the Vice Admirals in the war just a few days prior used it so it's all over the place. If Oda ever mentions that CP9 used spirit to power their superhuman powers then I'd believe you, but until then you have no proof and your assumptions are baseless.
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On December 12 2012 10:04 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there. he said it right here, the 2 examples for Armament was cobra chick and broadaxe dude, if it was much closer to the timeline of training like he said then it must have happened after they met broadaxe whivh is jsut wrong since both broadaxe and cobra chick happened after CP9 so would obviously be the people Luffy would think about the 2 examples for Observation was other snake chick and Enel and while CP9 did apear after Enel CP9 never really used much dodging techniques really so Luffy wouldnt think of them when it comes to observation Haki but since Enel pretty much relyed entirely on obsveration haki as defense he would be the first person to come to mind (along with the other snake chick who was so recent) if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread I can't believe we're still arguing about this. You are the one making assumptions by equating everything to Haki, not the people that think otherwise. The Onepiece universe works in completely different ways than ours. For example, a starfish could become bipedal if he thinks he's a human for long enough. Fishman island somehow bends water to create currents that float through the air, seemingly with nothing supporting them. It's not safe to assume that just because you can jump on the air or make your body hard as a rock that you're using Haki. And even if what you are saying is true, why wouldn't Luffy recall one of the numerous times he encountered "soru" or "geppo". Coby used it, CP9 used it, the Vice Admirals in the war just a few days prior used it so it's all over the place. If Oda ever mentions that CP9 used spirit to power their superhuman powers then I'd believe you, but until then you have no proof and your assumptions are baseless.
the curretns stay up with bubbles try to pay attention when things get explained please
Luffy didnt recall Soru or Geppo because 1) the war was a freaking culsterfuck of shit happening and he spent all his time focusing on Ace 2) Sentoumaru and the cobra chick left the biggest impressions of Armament Haki and Enel and the other chick left the biggest impressions of Observation Haki
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On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:
if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread
There is a difference between speculating and discussing a manga with other people in a civil manner and making shit up and defending it with self-partisan posts.
I've been reading One Piece since I was living in Japan in 1999, and I like to discuss it with people who share a mutual enthusiasm with me, not argue and look like 12 year old children on the internet. That's not why I come to this thread and I'm pretty sure nobody else comes here with that explicit goal in mind. All we're asking is that you please stop making shit up, and if you do it on accident and are asked to verify, just say "oh, I could be wrong, that's just what I think." Then, when you're proven wrong, instead of being like NO IM NOT, maybe be like, "oh, sorry, I was wrong."
It's not that we don't like you as a person, because none of us know anything about you. We just don't like how you completely hijack the thread to prove how right you are about something that's completely ambiguous, or how you ignore evidence and become aggressive towards people when they contradict you. That's why we think you act like a child. If you are a child, now's the time to learn--this isn't how grown-ups have discussions. I'm not saying you have to act like a grown-up all the time, but there is something to be said for observing, understanding, and interacting with other people based on implicit social contract.
Let's go back to discussing manga.
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On December 12 2012 10:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 10:04 Hyperbola wrote:On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:If CP9 techniques were really Haki, then they would have been an example shown in the manga as it was a significant arc much closer to the timeline of training. Not even a snapshot of any CP9/Rokushiki user was shown there. he said it right here, the 2 examples for Armament was cobra chick and broadaxe dude, if it was much closer to the timeline of training like he said then it must have happened after they met broadaxe whivh is jsut wrong since both broadaxe and cobra chick happened after CP9 so would obviously be the people Luffy would think about the 2 examples for Observation was other snake chick and Enel and while CP9 did apear after Enel CP9 never really used much dodging techniques really so Luffy wouldnt think of them when it comes to observation Haki but since Enel pretty much relyed entirely on obsveration haki as defense he would be the first person to come to mind (along with the other snake chick who was so recent) if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread I can't believe we're still arguing about this. You are the one making assumptions by equating everything to Haki, not the people that think otherwise. The Onepiece universe works in completely different ways than ours. For example, a starfish could become bipedal if he thinks he's a human for long enough. Fishman island somehow bends water to create currents that float through the air, seemingly with nothing supporting them. It's not safe to assume that just because you can jump on the air or make your body hard as a rock that you're using Haki. And even if what you are saying is true, why wouldn't Luffy recall one of the numerous times he encountered "soru" or "geppo". Coby used it, CP9 used it, the Vice Admirals in the war just a few days prior used it so it's all over the place. If Oda ever mentions that CP9 used spirit to power their superhuman powers then I'd believe you, but until then you have no proof and your assumptions are baseless. the curretns stay up with bubbles try to pay attention when things get explained please Luffy didnt recall Soru or Geppo because 1) the war was a freaking culsterfuck of shit happening and he spent all his time focusing on Ace 2) Sentoumaru and the cobra chick left the biggest impressions of Armament Haki and Enel and the other chick left the biggest impressions of Observation Haki
And having giant bubble tubes makes it any more real? You're grasping at straws here. Please, stop.
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On December 12 2012 10:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:
if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread There is a difference between speculating and discussing a manga with other people in a civil manner and making shit up and defending it with self-partisan posts. I've been reading One Piece since I was living in Japan in 1999, and I like to discuss it with people who share a mutual enthusiasm with me, not argue and look like 12 year old children on the internet. That's not why I come to this thread and I'm pretty sure nobody else comes here with that explicit goal in mind. All we're asking is that you please stop making shit up, and if you do it on accident and are asked to verify, just say "oh, I could be wrong, that's just what I think." Then, when you're proven wrong, instead of being like NO IM NOT, maybe be like, "oh, sorry, I was wrong." It's not that we don't like you as a person, because none of us know anything about you. We just don't like how you completely hijack the thread to prove how right you are about something that's completely ambiguous, or how you ignore evidence and become aggressive towards people when they contradict you. That's why we think you act like a child. If you are a child, now's the time to learn--this isn't how grown-ups have discussions. I'm not saying you have to act like a grown-up all the time, but there is something to be said for observing, understanding, and interacting with other people based on implicit social contract. Let's go back to discussing manga.
id say compared to the rest of the people i have remained far more civil then those who have done nothing but throw insults at me
and i dont see how i have been proven wrong yet, theres no proof that Rokoshiki is not Haki and there are similarities between it and Haki
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And there's no proof that it is, so stop arguing about it like you're going to be able to convince anyone about it. You've remained civil in the sense that you're not overtly insulting anyone but civility also means you stfu when nobody wants to hear you talking. Our patience is growing really thin and you keep testing it after we've told you multiple times to stop, so we need to be more clear, and the only way to do that is to emphasize that we're getting really irritated with how clueless you are.
Some of us have insulted your intelligence, but truth is an affirmative defense to slander.
[edit] Also, it's Rokushiki, you've been spelling it wrong and that really hurts your credibility. [/edit]
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On December 12 2012 10:25 Forikorder wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 10:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:
if all we do is just parrot whats said in the manga then theres no point to even having this thread There is a difference between speculating and discussing a manga with other people in a civil manner and making shit up and defending it with self-partisan posts. I've been reading One Piece since I was living in Japan in 1999, and I like to discuss it with people who share a mutual enthusiasm with me, not argue and look like 12 year old children on the internet. That's not why I come to this thread and I'm pretty sure nobody else comes here with that explicit goal in mind. All we're asking is that you please stop making shit up, and if you do it on accident and are asked to verify, just say "oh, I could be wrong, that's just what I think." Then, when you're proven wrong, instead of being like NO IM NOT, maybe be like, "oh, sorry, I was wrong." It's not that we don't like you as a person, because none of us know anything about you. We just don't like how you completely hijack the thread to prove how right you are about something that's completely ambiguous, or how you ignore evidence and become aggressive towards people when they contradict you. That's why we think you act like a child. If you are a child, now's the time to learn--this isn't how grown-ups have discussions. I'm not saying you have to act like a grown-up all the time, but there is something to be said for observing, understanding, and interacting with other people based on implicit social contract. Let's go back to discussing manga. id say compared to the rest of the people i have remained far more civil then those who have done nothing but throw insults at me and i dont see how i have been proven wrong yet, theres no proof that Rokoshiki is not Haki and there are similarities between it and Haki
See right there DAMMIT! Similar is not the same. Grab a freaking dictionary. You are just too childish to even bother talking with properly which is the problem.
We tried to be civil with you and going through a healthy discussion but there is no reasoning with you. A lot of people are saying you are grasping at straws and already inventing facts to suit your needs when the manga doesn't support it. Yet you still persist. Give it a rest, STFU and if you can't just don't come back to the thread please for the LOVE OF GOD!
You are ruining this thread which is between reasonable people who were having a healthy discussion by injecting your nonsensical beliefs and invented facts or farfetched "logic".
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Yay, now that's over with,,,
I had a huge discussion/ fangasm with my friend over how we think OP will be in 2-3 years (at least when it reaches the point in the plot)... The future war of the worlds and how it will involve the "treasure" (We debated what/ who it was, etc), and how the Yonkou, Sakazuki, and the allied pirates (or soon to be allies of the SH's) will decide the war... So excited for the future. Thank god Oda is only 37, so he has about 50 years to finish writing this before he turns senile :DDD
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On December 12 2012 13:25 iSometric wrote:
Yay, now that's over with,,,
I had a huge discussion/ fangasm with my friend over how we think OP will be in 2-3 years (at least when it reaches the point in the plot)... The future war of the worlds and how it will involve the "treasure" (We debated what/ who it was, etc), and how the Yonkou, Sakazuki, and the allied pirates (or soon to be allies of the SH's) will decide the war... So excited for the future. Thank god Oda is only 37, so he has about 50 years to finish writing this before he turns senile :DDD
I think Roger was the ultimate troll, and it will literally be something like 1 gold coin (ONE Piece)
(Of course, it's more because he considers the treasure the be the journey and the people you take with you, but yeah)
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LOL ONE PIECE
I'm personally really excited for (in particular) Zoro vs Mihawk, Luffy meeting up with Shanks, Usopp and Yasopp, and anything involving Law.
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On December 12 2012 13:30 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 13:25 iSometric wrote:
Yay, now that's over with,,,
I had a huge discussion/ fangasm with my friend over how we think OP will be in 2-3 years (at least when it reaches the point in the plot)... The future war of the worlds and how it will involve the "treasure" (We debated what/ who it was, etc), and how the Yonkou, Sakazuki, and the allied pirates (or soon to be allies of the SH's) will decide the war... So excited for the future. Thank god Oda is only 37, so he has about 50 years to finish writing this before he turns senile :DDD I think Roger was the ultimate troll, and it will literally be something like 1 gold coin (ONE Piece) (Of course, it's more because he considers the treasure the be the journey and the people you take with you, but yeah)
That actually makes sense and I wouldn't be let down by that. Luffy doesn't really care anyways though haha
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On December 12 2012 13:30 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 13:25 iSometric wrote:
Yay, now that's over with,,,
I had a huge discussion/ fangasm with my friend over how we think OP will be in 2-3 years (at least when it reaches the point in the plot)... The future war of the worlds and how it will involve the "treasure" (We debated what/ who it was, etc), and how the Yonkou, Sakazuki, and the allied pirates (or soon to be allies of the SH's) will decide the war... So excited for the future. Thank god Oda is only 37, so he has about 50 years to finish writing this before he turns senile :DDD I think Roger was the ultimate troll, and it will literally be something like 1 gold coin (ONE Piece) (Of course, it's more because he considers the treasure the be the journey and the people you take with you, but yeah)
It's definitely going to be something symbolic. I think the Strawhats have had enough chance for grabbing all the physical treasures anyway.
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