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On October 16 2025 21:12 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2025 19:55 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i didnt remember the part about the roger pirates protecting the celestial dragons. when was this referenced again?
what would be the motive for roger to protect them?
isnt it more the case of roger and garp having a common enemy in xebec, but their reasons for fighting would be different? garp being a navy officer obviously has to protect the celestial dragons and the current world order, and roger would be fighting because xebec being "king of the world" probably wouldnt go well with his own plans Sengoku talks about Garp and Roger teaming up to protect Tenryuubito in chapter 957. I think a good motive would be that, after the battle is over, Xebec would kill them when they're defenseless, driven to it by them hunting members of his family for sport, and Roger + Garp might intervene to protect then-unarmed Tenryuubito. The morally complex choice to save defenseless but abhorrent people would be interesting for me. It's otherwise been a little over-the-top good/evil for me recently.
sengoku recounts the event from the perspective of garp only so i think its still safe to say that protecting the celestial dragons isnt certainly what roger also was trying to achieve.
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Wonder how much the fall of Xebec and probably Eris too with Blackbeards entire rationale with his own journey.
Based on his shipname he is clearly inspired by his father but is he highly motivated because of what he suffered. He basically went reverse Kuma from the looks of things
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On October 16 2025 04:44 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2025 16:34 evilfatsh1t wrote:
kinda looking less like garp and roger vs rocks and more like all of them vs imu/gorosei.
another break next week though. lame An existing theory is that Rocks is going to get Domi Reversed into a demon that Roger and Garp will defeat. Fits neatly into Xebec being considered an evil pirate when he's been pretty normal so far.
well this was right on the money. kinda lame how easy it was for someone of rocks' calibre to get mind controlled though. thats broken as fuck.
and if thats supposed to be saint saturn why does he look and act like imu
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As someone pointed out, you can see Saturn being still there but Imu is just lodged on top of him.
The whole point of the combo attack panel was to show that Imu cannot be damaged by Haki/DF stuff, hence the Nika fruit is the only antidote. Not super stoked about this binary element that cements Luffy as the chosen one, to be honest
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Imu is still a silhouette. At this point I'm pretty sure this is just what he looks like. He's "mu" which means "nothing" in Japanese, so what if he doesn't really have a body and is just a shadow that possesses people? Literally a silhouette man. Even his real body in the room of flowers is just him piloting Nefertari Lily. That makes the double voice make a lot more sense in the anime.
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isnt nefertari lily dead? whats this thing about imu possessing her body?
holy shit one piece has been going on too long i dont remember this shit anymore
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On October 25 2025 13:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
isnt nefertari lily dead? whats this thing about imu possessing her body?
holy shit one piece has been going on too long i dont remember this shit anymore
It's never stated that she's dead, only that she didn't return to Alabasta. I'm thinking that Imu just body snatched her like Saturn and Gunko and just uses her as his "main" body. That explains why Imu's voice in the anime has seemingly two voice actors (one male, on female) and why he has both a feminine figure and a male honorific "sei" as opposed to "gu" for women. It also neatly explains the portrait of Lily in his castle even though he seems to hate her for releasing the Poneglyphs and also explains why he wants Vivi so bad - since she's the splitting image of Lily and he can add another body to his collection.
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we have guesses about why imu is obsessed about lily but we really don't have any hard evidence as to what their relationship truly was.
skeptical that lily is possessed but it is an open possibility
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I personally like the theory that Imu is the actual Devil and that the original 20 (19? without Lily) Kings either sacrificed themselves or merged to become Imu. Now Imu needs Nefertari Vivi's body (since she is the splitting image of Lily) to "complete" itself.
Imu has very strong obsessions, and lives in the past. Completing itself, completing Imu's perfect world, snuffing out both the Davy clan & Joyboy, etc.
Notice how she never called Luffy anything else but Joyboy on Egghead island, or even addressed Rocks as anything else other than Davy Jones.
Its also super sad how different Blackbeard turned out to be from Xebec. Xebec had a moral backbone and a code he followed. He was an asshole, but a charismatic one who everyone respected. When he went to Mariejoie he broke the gates of justice.
In contrast Blackbeard is just pure scum. Killed a nakama to get the Yami-Yami Devil fruit, became a Warlord (government's lapdog) to get past the gates of justice, has no morals or qualms in using or betraying people to get what he wants.
This God Valley flashback was amazing, almost as good as Marineford itself. A LOT was revealed and we saw sooooo many great people gather in 1 place at 1 time. Loved it.
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On October 31 2025 19:18 Latham wrote:
I personally like the theory that Imu is the actual Devil and that the original 20 (19? without Lily) Kings either sacrificed themselves or merged to become Imu. Now Imu needs Nefertari Vivi's body (since she is the splitting image of Lily) to "complete" itself.
Imu has very strong obsessions, and lives in the past. Completing itself, completing Imu's perfect world, snuffing out both the Davy clan & Joyboy, etc.
Notice how she never called Luffy anything else but Joyboy on Egghead island, or even addressed Rocks as anything else other than Davy Jones.
Its also super sad how different Blackbeard turned out to be from Xebec. Xebec had a moral backbone and a code he followed. He was an asshole, but a charismatic one who everyone respected. When he went to Mariejoie he broke the gates of justice.
In contrast Blackbeard is just pure scum. Killed a nakama to get the Yami-Yami Devil fruit, became a Warlord (government's lapdog) to get past the gates of justice, has no morals or qualms in using or betraying people to get what he wants.
This God Valley flashback was amazing, almost as good as Marineford itself. A LOT was revealed and we saw sooooo many great people gather in 1 place at 1 time. Loved it.
I don't think actual gods or devils exist in One Piece. It's usually either a powerful being or a myth that's blown out of proportion. I think Imu was produced somehow. We do have confirmation that "Nerona Imu" was an actual king and part of the original 20. We also have implicit confirmation from Oda (using Ikanov) that the Ope Immortality surgery was used on him. We don't know how this immortality really works or what it actually does and it could be that this is what created Imu as we see him today.
Blackbeard's mom, Eris, mentioned that Rocks wasn't ready to fight that "thing", which clearly indicated that she had knowledge that has been passed down by the Davy clan since the void century. This implies they have some sort of oral tradition like the Kozukis do with their poneglyph language and Pluton. What's also interesting is that Davy Jones was supposedly the former king of the world according to Rocks. Yet Imu seems to take offense, claims that Davy was never king, and says that Rocks has no place in the "fate that binds Mu and Davy". This makes me wonder... is One Piece just Planescape torment? lol
For those unfamiliar, the protagonist of Planescape Torment is the "Nameless One" who achieved immortality through an unholy ritual performed by an evil witch. Sound familiar? However, when the nameless one's mortality was separated from him it became a godlike entity known as "The Transcendent One" which is trapped in a massive magical Fortress of Regrets. The Nameless One would constantly be drawn to the Fortress of Regrets and the Transcendent One would kill him and the process would start over again, with the Nameless One coming back to life with no memories of his past self.
So here's my crackpot theory: Imu was created via the Ope no mi by separating out the mortality of Nerona Imu. Now whether Nerona was Davy or if one of them was just the Ope user, I have no idea. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison but Imu is "The Transcendent One" of One Piece and Davy is "The Nameless One". Davy died but continued to revive through his descendants who would inherit his will. Their fates are bound together through the unholy Ope ritual and the promise that was mentioned by Rocks.
I see three possibilities:
- Davy was the one who performed the Ope ritual on Nerona. In exchange, Imu promised him that he would one day rule as the king of the world when his will is inherited by someone in the future. Davy has come back multiple times but Imu continues to kill him and fight against the promise.
- Davy was Nerona. Davy was the former king who won the war with JoyBoy and wanted to rule forever. The Ope ritual killed him but created "Imu" which was his shadow. His descendants seek to kill Imu and take their rightful place as king.
- Same as (2) but Davy, Nerona, and the Ope user were 3 different people. Davy was a regular D. clan member who betrayed Joy Boy to Nerona in exchange for the promise of being king. Nerona instead turned himself into Imu and killed Davy and has no intention of giving up his throne.
I don't really expect this to be the final story, but this is the general vibe that I'm getting from Oda after these last few chapters. For all the criticism that I levy against One Piece, it's nice to get a lore dump every now and then that gets the ol' noggin joggin.
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We'll have to see, a lot of people pointing out, the way the gorosei were introduced back on egghead, was a bit different than what we see from devilfruit users. The nature of their powers is not too clear but I think it points to them being devils of some kind.
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Sheesh... this could literally be the biggest fight in all of one piece history past and future... Three heavy weights of almost infinite potential.
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The events from the flashback putting importance on "Joyboy" and "Davy Jones" being a threat to Imu makes it seem like Luffy and Blackbeard will end Imu in some way or form (them being representative of each)
Potentially Luffy fighting Imu in Elbaph after the flashback is over. And Blackbeard raiding Marijoa (based on the comment of Imu about the holyland being on fire and Blackbeard having plans on Marijoa last time we have seen him and the BB pirates)
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Well that was a disappointing ending to Rocks. No soul transfer. No epic final words. No D smile. Went out like a wet fart.
And now Harald is going full Oden and debasing himself in the vain hope that someone will take pity on him. We already know how that'll end. Pathetic. I don't know if Oda actually thinks this cuck behavior is bad ass or if he's trying to warn readers against being a doormat. Either way both Oden and Harald are textbook examples of wasted potential.
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Harald is basically doubling down on his choice here as the door closed on him to work with Rocks.
Yes, there is definitely a running theme in this series that might is right and being subservient in hopes of good outcomes doesn't really pay off. Politically that's a dead end as the world govt is run by monsters with very nebulous view of "the greater good", but very few people actually know that.
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On November 23 2025 03:09 herMan wrote:
Harald is basically doubling down on his choice here as the door closed on him to work with Rocks.
Yes, there is definitely a running theme in this series that might is right and being subservient in hopes of good outcomes doesn't really pay off. Politically that's a dead end as the world govt is run by monsters with very nebulous view of "the greater good", but very few people actually know that.
“might is right” may not be exactly the aesop
but coupled with the rest of what you said i think we might be able to say:
righteous people in this series need either strength or conviction
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On November 21 2025 11:56 Hyperbola wrote:
Well that was a disappointing ending to Rocks. No soul transfer. No epic final words. No D smile. Went out like a wet fart.
I wouldnt call that disappointing just tragic for legendary figure.
Also why soul transfers i mean oda already has a problem of not killing characters making the impact of deaths useless everytime. We dont need another madara revival nonsense that's such a terrible writing at this point. Inherited will is the theme of one piece anyways NOT ANOTHER RESURRECTION crap writing that every single battle manga does
And why would he smile ? Last time I checked he thought he killed his family and his entire plan failed and he was attacking his friends
God if he smiled like a D and there are some resurrection nonsense that would actually be garbage writing
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On November 23 2025 20:58 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2025 11:56 Hyperbola wrote:
Well that was a disappointing ending to Rocks. No soul transfer. No epic final words. No D smile. Went out like a wet fart.
I wouldnt call that disappointing just tragic for legendary figure. Also why soul transfers i mean oda already has a problem of not killing characters making the impact of deaths useless everytime. We dont need another madara revival nonsense that's such a terrible writing at this point. Inherited will is the theme of one piece anyways NOT ANOTHER RESURRECTION crap writing that every single battle manga does And why would he smile ? Last time I checked he thought he killed his family and his entire plan failed and he was attacking his friends God if he smiled like a D and there are some resurrection nonsense that would actually be garbage writing
He is a D though, so it's odd that he didn't smile when he died. I guess the Davy clan are all "fake" D?
As for the soul transfer, I was referring to the fan theory that Blackbeard doesn't sleep because Rocks inhabits his body and takes over when he's unconscious. Kind of like Cavendish/Hakuba. It would have been a nice explanation for why Blackbeard can offscreen so many opponents and why he can eat two fruits. But I guess that theory is dead now. And the Cerberus devil fruit theory is dead as well. What's left? Conjoined twin?
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On November 24 2025 14:35 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2025 20:58 goody153 wrote:On November 21 2025 11:56 Hyperbola wrote:
Well that was a disappointing ending to Rocks. No soul transfer. No epic final words. No D smile. Went out like a wet fart.
I wouldnt call that disappointing just tragic for legendary figure. Also why soul transfers i mean oda already has a problem of not killing characters making the impact of deaths useless everytime. We dont need another madara revival nonsense that's such a terrible writing at this point. Inherited will is the theme of one piece anyways NOT ANOTHER RESURRECTION crap writing that every single battle manga does And why would he smile ? Last time I checked he thought he killed his family and his entire plan failed and he was attacking his friends God if he smiled like a D and there are some resurrection nonsense that would actually be garbage writing He is a D though, so it's odd that he didn't smile when he died. I guess the Davy clan are all "fake" D? As for the soul transfer, I was referring to the fan theory that Blackbeard doesn't sleep because Rocks inhabits his body and takes over when he's unconscious. Kind of like Cavendish/Hakuba. It would have been a nice explanation for why Blackbeard can offscreen so many opponents and why he can eat two fruits. But I guess that theory is dead now. And the Cerberus devil fruit theory is dead as well. What's left? Conjoined twin?
Triplets, actually. There is a fun fan theory there. His Jolly Roger has 3 skulls on it, when Blackbeard is shown on screen at different times, he's missing different teeth each time. The pattern repeats after 3. He carries 3 pistols on his waist, and it seems he wants yet another Devil Fruit, on top of the 2 he already has.
Yami-Yami is a Logia-type
Gura-Gura is a Paramecia
and he is still missing a Zoan
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On November 24 2025 14:35 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2025 20:58 goody153 wrote:On November 21 2025 11:56 Hyperbola wrote:
Well that was a disappointing ending to Rocks. No soul transfer. No epic final words. No D smile. Went out like a wet fart.
I wouldnt call that disappointing just tragic for legendary figure. Also why soul transfers i mean oda already has a problem of not killing characters making the impact of deaths useless everytime. We dont need another madara revival nonsense that's such a terrible writing at this point. Inherited will is the theme of one piece anyways NOT ANOTHER RESURRECTION crap writing that every single battle manga does And why would he smile ? Last time I checked he thought he killed his family and his entire plan failed and he was attacking his friends God if he smiled like a D and there are some resurrection nonsense that would actually be garbage writing He is a D though, so it's odd that he didn't smile when he died. I guess the Davy clan are all "fake" D? As for the soul transfer, I was referring to the fan theory that Blackbeard doesn't sleep because Rocks inhabits his body and takes over when he's unconscious. Kind of like Cavendish/Hakuba. It would have been a nice explanation for why Blackbeard can offscreen so many opponents and why he can eat two fruits. But I guess that theory is dead now. And the Cerberus devil fruit theory is dead as well. What's left? Conjoined twin?
the smile at death thing might be something more to do with those who carry joyboys will, rather than just being a d.
blackbeard and rocks are d's but they arent acting on joyboys inherited will
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