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On October 15 2022 21:46 sharkie wrote:
But yeah Blackbeard going after Law is so crazy. I dont think Law will die but his winning chances are 0%... And so unexpected too!
Shanks really is a weird one. He has no character development at all.
Also did anyone watch One Piece Red? I had hyped myself really up for the movie and was super disappointed...
I thought Shanks was alot like a japanese/korean idol with how Oda was portraying his character but my suspicion was confirmed that I think Shanks is his pet character (he did compare himself to shanks once iirc) and Oda is really just scared to like sully his character by not portraying him when not posing menacingly.
Oda is like scared of puitting shanks into play and it is actually just annoying now. Even the movie was a fucking bait so much for its marketing.
This makes me think that Shanks will be the most untouchable character in the series. There is probably no chance anything bad happening to him in this series at this point since Oda seems to preserving his character purity
Like what's the point of having a powerful relevant character when that character does nothing. Might as well not include that character. I've even seen more action from Roger which is already dead than Shanks. It is just annoying at this point.
Relating to the story. Worst yonko honestly with how much uninvolved in the actual pages Shanks is.
#RantOver
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sorry about that i just wanna see shanks actually in play winning or losing as long as he is playing now
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what do you guys actually expect shanks to do? actively invade other yonko territories to start fights?
hes already very heavily involved in one piece politics, given that he has an open communition channel even with the gorosei. its not in shanks or whitebeards character to stir shit up for the sake of it; the days of them regularly fighting is already behind them
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I expect him not to be a trophy character by Oda. That's what cause at this point that is what he is.
At least be actually involved in the story not just behind the scenes and just show up trying to look proud.
Even Big Mom or Kaido who just maintained territory actually made moves and was showcased by Oda. Meanwhile Shanks is basically an idol figure (yes i'll say this again cause this is what he is at this point)
He had stuff like talking to the 5 elders and supposedly declaring to join the one piece race but he still did nothing ! We are even getting more background work from blackbeard before now and blackbeard felt more like a yonko than shanks is due to his lack of presence in the story.
Even Mihawk is showcased to do alot more and actually infield fighting and he's just neutral politically before the crossguild !
At least let the readers see Shanks on action instead of being Marco's free ride at this point lmao
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I don't see Law dying here, but I do see him losing the Road Poneglyph copy at minimum, and possibly even have Ope Ope No Mi stolen from him.
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The point of shanks is he's strong but doesn't want to do shit to cause chaos. He's neutral-neutral, which string characters almost never are. He's got more in common with Sengoku than most other characters in the series.
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Austria24422 Posts
Oda has portrayed Shanks as a very different figure compared to other big characters, but how he's built up his character is not out of the ordinary for him. Shanks is not the classic overthrow everything type of character a lot of the other big actors are. Instead, he preserves a certain order and it's clear he's doing this with larger plans and ideas for the world in mind.
He intervened with Whitebeard to keep Ace from going after Blackbeard, which would have prevented the Marineford war and Whitebeard's death, which in turn led to many of his territories being left in a power vacuum and suffering for it. Then intervened with Kaido who wanted to capitalize on the situation to stir chaos, intervened in the war to stop the complete annihilation of the Whitebeard pirates (and Luffy). There (and in showing up at the WG), he demonstrates that he clearly understands and plays his position - although the exact details of this are still unknown. Then intervenes again to stop Green Bull going after a weakened Luffy and basically stabilizes Wano that way, at least temporarily - because he understands that the WG would be on standby to capitalize on the power vacuum left by Kaido.
Oda uses Shanks almost to guide readers through the big plot developments that are happening in the background, away from the immediate action the SHs are involved in. He's portrayed as a politically intelligent and active figure, but since the SHs are not yet at the point where their adventure directly touches Shanks' moves yet, it wouldn't have made too much sense to make Shanks a more prominent figure so far.
And it's not out of character for Oda to do this either. Very important figures in the universe are usually only revealed in full and shown "doing something" when the SHs start directly interacting with them. Other examples of this include Whitebeard, Dragon, the Marine admirals, Big Mom, Kaido, Vegapunk - all mentioned and sometimes even pictured, but only "doing something" when it's time to meet the SHs. Some of them (Dragon) still haven't done anything.
If anything, Shanks has been shown doing more than most others did before their full reveal.
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At this point I do wonder how Shanks will be forced to take "active" part in the story. I do think his character has been a benefit from the story standpoint, influencing politics and not letting other Yonkou take advantage of power shifts.
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Shanks showing up in the law v. Blackbeard conflict would also be perfectly in character.
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people complaining about shanks not doing more stuff in panel smh
dude didn’t even fight in east blue. just lost his arm and gave a hug.
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On October 16 2022 15:49 Olli wrote:
Oda has portrayes Shanks as a very different figure compared to other big characters, but how he's built up his character is not out of the ordinary for him. Shanks is not the classic overthrow everything type of character a lot of the other big actors are. Instead, he preserves a certain order and it's clear he's doing this with larger plans and ideas for the world in mind.
He intervened with Whitebeard to keep Ace from going after Blackbeard, which would have prevented the Marineford war and Whitebeard's death, which in turn led to many of his territories being left in a power vacuum and suffering for it. Then intervened with Kaido who wanted to capitalize on the situation to stir chaos, intervened in the war to stop the complete annihilation of the Whitebeard pirates (and Luffy). There (and in showing up at the WG), he demonstrates that he clearly understands and plays his position - although the exact details of this are still unknown. Then intervenes again to stop Green Bull going after a weakened Luffy and basically stabilizes Wano that way, at least temporarily - because he understands that the WG would be on standby to capitalize on the power vacuum left by Kaido.
Oda uses Shanks almost to guide readers through the big plot developments that are happening in the background, away from the immediate action the SHs are involved in. He's portrayed as a politically intelligent and active figure, but since the SHs are not yet at the point where their adventure directly touches Shanks' moves yet, it wouldn't have made too much sense to make Shanks a more prominent figure so far.
And it's not out of character for Oda to do this either. Very important figures in the universe are usually only revealed in full and shown "doing something" when the SHs start directly interacting with them. Other examples of this include Whitebeard, Dragon, the Marine admirals, Big Mom, Kaido, Vegapunk - all mentioned and sometimes even pictured, but only "doing something" when it's time to meet the SHs. Some of them (Dragon) still haven't done anything.
If anything, Shanks has been shown doing more than most others did before their full reveal.
Wow great analysis. 
Yeah shanks seemingly does a better job of stabilizing the One Piece world than the actual marines. Given his world noble heritage and mysterious nature, I think his goal is to reform the world government into something less oppressive. Seeing as how he knows the location of One Piece since he was on Roger's crew when they gathered up all of the poneglyphs, my guess is that he's waiting for Joy Boy to recover One Piece and bring down Imu. Or something along the lines of that.
That said, I don't want him to interfere with the Law vs. Blackbeard fight. I want Law to win/lose his own battles. If he dies/gets captured then that'll give Luffy even more personal motivation to take down Blackbeard.
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I do agree that the antagonism of Blackbeard needs to be substantially built up for Luffy to fight him. Aside from Blackbeard defeating Ace, the Straw Hats don't really have a reason to fight his crew.
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anyone hate how linear the storyline is. We all can somehow predict how the story is gonan be like with bb being the main villian. It's like Oda can't fucking write from his usual shonen convention
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On October 16 2022 15:49 Olli wrote:
Oda has portrayed Shanks as a very different figure compared to other big characters, but how he's built up his character is not out of the ordinary for him. Shanks is not the classic overthrow everything type of character a lot of the other big actors are. Instead, he preserves a certain order and it's clear he's doing this with larger plans and ideas for the world in mind.
He intervened with Whitebeard to keep Ace from going after Blackbeard, which would have prevented the Marineford war and Whitebeard's death, which in turn led to many of his territories being left in a power vacuum and suffering for it. Then intervened with Kaido who wanted to capitalize on the situation to stir chaos, intervened in the war to stop the complete annihilation of the Whitebeard pirates (and Luffy). There (and in showing up at the WG), he demonstrates that he clearly understands and plays his position - although the exact details of this are still unknown. Then intervenes again to stop Green Bull going after a weakened Luffy and basically stabilizes Wano that way, at least temporarily - because he understands that the WG would be on standby to capitalize on the power vacuum left by Kaido.
Oda uses Shanks almost to guide readers through the big plot developments that are happening in the background, away from the immediate action the SHs are involved in. He's portrayed as a politically intelligent and active figure, but since the SHs are not yet at the point where their adventure directly touches Shanks' moves yet, it wouldn't have made too much sense to make Shanks a more prominent figure so far.
And it's not out of character for Oda to do this either. Very important figures in the universe are usually only revealed in full and shown "doing something" when the SHs start directly interacting with them. Other examples of this include Whitebeard, Dragon, the Marine admirals, Big Mom, Kaido, Vegapunk - all mentioned and sometimes even pictured, but only "doing something" when it's time to meet the SHs. Some of them (Dragon) still haven't done anything.
If anything, Shanks has been shown doing more than most others did before their full reveal.
I very much doubt that's how it really is.
Oda once compared himself to Shanks. That's already a red flag by itself when an author himself says that
With how he is handling IMO Shanks is pretty much his mary sue who makes no mistakes and it sounds like he is his self-insert character with how he compared himself to him. Normally I am all praises with Oda when it comes to characters and how story is handled.
Except Shanks. I think he really has a favoritism over the character and is not involving the character anything intentionally.
Every character makes mistakes and makes wrong prediction shanks somehow just doesn't and stays ahead of everybody. He was right about blackbeard, he is right about luffy and apparently he has perfect timing and judgement when it comes to coming to Wano. The world government who bows to no-one makes compromises to him. The greatest swordsman couldn't even beat him with him being a swordsman as well. So yeah TOTALLY NOT mary sue at all xD
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To be fair, if you're a Yonkou without a Devil Fruit, your prowess with weapons is the only thing you can really rely on in combat. So it makes sense for the guy to be on par with Mihawk, or at least when he had both arms.
Shanks is this character that pops up from time to time for a few important panels, so we don't really know that much extra about him. In this light it's easy for him to be this messianic character who does no wrong. His background is still mostly unknown as well. I find that Shanks is to Luffy what Roger was to Shanks, an inspiring role model to emulate.
That being said, I'm interested what route Oda will take with the character when it's time to "activate" Shanks in the main storyline.
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On October 20 2022 14:59 Shinokuki wrote:
anyone hate how linear the storyline is. We all can somehow predict how the story is gonan be like with bb being the main villian. It's like Oda can't fucking write from his usual shonen convention
the story is apparently not linear enough for you if you think blackbeard is the main villain. imu is the main villain. either stop reading one piece or stop complaining about anything you can think of. its one thing to make a legitimate criticism, its another to just shit on the manga for every thing you dont like about it. your complaints fall into the latter.
On October 20 2022 16:43 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2022 15:49 Olli wrote:
Oda has portrayed Shanks as a very different figure compared to other big characters, but how he's built up his character is not out of the ordinary for him. Shanks is not the classic overthrow everything type of character a lot of the other big actors are. Instead, he preserves a certain order and it's clear he's doing this with larger plans and ideas for the world in mind.
He intervened with Whitebeard to keep Ace from going after Blackbeard, which would have prevented the Marineford war and Whitebeard's death, which in turn led to many of his territories being left in a power vacuum and suffering for it. Then intervened with Kaido who wanted to capitalize on the situation to stir chaos, intervened in the war to stop the complete annihilation of the Whitebeard pirates (and Luffy). There (and in showing up at the WG), he demonstrates that he clearly understands and plays his position - although the exact details of this are still unknown. Then intervenes again to stop Green Bull going after a weakened Luffy and basically stabilizes Wano that way, at least temporarily - because he understands that the WG would be on standby to capitalize on the power vacuum left by Kaido.
Oda uses Shanks almost to guide readers through the big plot developments that are happening in the background, away from the immediate action the SHs are involved in. He's portrayed as a politically intelligent and active figure, but since the SHs are not yet at the point where their adventure directly touches Shanks' moves yet, it wouldn't have made too much sense to make Shanks a more prominent figure so far.
And it's not out of character for Oda to do this either. Very important figures in the universe are usually only revealed in full and shown "doing something" when the SHs start directly interacting with them. Other examples of this include Whitebeard, Dragon, the Marine admirals, Big Mom, Kaido, Vegapunk - all mentioned and sometimes even pictured, but only "doing something" when it's time to meet the SHs. Some of them (Dragon) still haven't done anything.
If anything, Shanks has been shown doing more than most others did before their full reveal. I very much doubt that's how it really is. Oda once compared himself to Shanks. That's already a red flag by itself when an author himself says that With how he is handling IMO Shanks is pretty much his mary sue who makes no mistakes and it sounds like he is his self-insert character with how he compared himself to him. Normally I am all praises with Oda when it comes to characters and how story is handled. Except Shanks. I think he really has a favoritism over the character and is not involving the character anything intentionally. Every character makes mistakes and makes wrong prediction shanks somehow just doesn't and stays ahead of everybody. He was right about blackbeard, he is right about luffy and apparently he has perfect timing and judgement when it comes to coming to Wano. The world government who bows to no-one makes compromises to him. The greatest swordsman couldn't even beat him with him being a swordsman as well. So yeah TOTALLY NOT mary sue at all xD
i dont understand how even with olli's post you think shanks is essentially a wasted character. that conclusion can only be made if you assume shanks is mindlessly sailing about and everything that happens involving shanks happens by mere coincidence.
its quite obvious that shanks has his own agenda, and he does what he does because hes the only one in a position/has the capability to do so. its not difficult to assume that shanks has information on the void century, joy boy and xebec. even if he didnt go to raftel with roger, its unlikely that shanks is completely in the dark about the truth of the world. the fact that shanks specifically stole the rubber (nika) fruit from the wg is evidence of this.
now that we know imu exists, and imu has the ability to completely destroy islands, its clear that were being set up for a parallel of god valley. blackbeard is the new xebec, luffy is the new roger and koby is the new garp. i mean its no coincidence that koby just happens to be kidnapped by blackbeard of all people. blackbeard is the antagonist in this scenario because whilst he also wishes to bring change to the world, his motif is domination, not freedom. from shanks' perspective, its obvious that he would prefer joy boys successor to be the catalyst for change, and so his job will have been clear from the moment luffy ate the rubber fruit; help luffy get strong enough to win. either way shanks, like roger, knows that he isnt the one to bring about change to the world.
the wg accommodates shanks because regardless of affiliation, shanks is the only character that actually has his interests aligned with the gorosei for the time being, which is maintaining the status quo. hes one of the very few characters to have already fought blackbeard, and he specifically warns whitebeard and gorosei (presumably) about blackbeard because of the threat blackbeard presents to the world. if blackbeard is the successor of xebec's will then blackbeard's goal is domination of the world, and shanks is currently the biggest obstacle in blackbeard's dream which is why some have even theorised that shanks will actually die at blackbeards' hands.
meanwhile shanks is doing everything he can to guide luffy to raftel, like showing up at marineford to save luffy and again at wano. its quite clear that shanks is taking an active part in the story, by trying to buy time with his own power and influence to let luffy grow into his role as joy boy.
the difference now to god valley would be that roger wasnt joy boy, and so despite being successful in stopping the greater evil xebec, his story ends there. now that luffy is joy boy, my guess is that luffy's journey goes further than just defeating blackbeard, luffy will eventually fight imu (wg).
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United States97276 Posts
Maybe kaguya is the main villain
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On October 20 2022 17:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 14:59 Shinokuki wrote:
anyone hate how linear the storyline is. We all can somehow predict how the story is gonan be like with bb being the main villian. It's like Oda can't fucking write from his usual shonen convention the story is apparently not linear enough for you if you think blackbeard is the main villain. imu is the main villain. either stop reading one piece or stop complaining about anything you can think of. its one thing to make a legitimate criticism, its another to just shit on the manga for every thing you dont like about it. your complaints fall into the latter. Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 16:43 goody153 wrote:On October 16 2022 15:49 Olli wrote:
Oda has portrayed Shanks as a very different figure compared to other big characters, but how he's built up his character is not out of the ordinary for him. Shanks is not the classic overthrow everything type of character a lot of the other big actors are. Instead, he preserves a certain order and it's clear he's doing this with larger plans and ideas for the world in mind.
He intervened with Whitebeard to keep Ace from going after Blackbeard, which would have prevented the Marineford war and Whitebeard's death, which in turn led to many of his territories being left in a power vacuum and suffering for it. Then intervened with Kaido who wanted to capitalize on the situation to stir chaos, intervened in the war to stop the complete annihilation of the Whitebeard pirates (and Luffy). There (and in showing up at the WG), he demonstrates that he clearly understands and plays his position - although the exact details of this are still unknown. Then intervenes again to stop Green Bull going after a weakened Luffy and basically stabilizes Wano that way, at least temporarily - because he understands that the WG would be on standby to capitalize on the power vacuum left by Kaido.
Oda uses Shanks almost to guide readers through the big plot developments that are happening in the background, away from the immediate action the SHs are involved in. He's portrayed as a politically intelligent and active figure, but since the SHs are not yet at the point where their adventure directly touches Shanks' moves yet, it wouldn't have made too much sense to make Shanks a more prominent figure so far.
And it's not out of character for Oda to do this either. Very important figures in the universe are usually only revealed in full and shown "doing something" when the SHs start directly interacting with them. Other examples of this include Whitebeard, Dragon, the Marine admirals, Big Mom, Kaido, Vegapunk - all mentioned and sometimes even pictured, but only "doing something" when it's time to meet the SHs. Some of them (Dragon) still haven't done anything.
If anything, Shanks has been shown doing more than most others did before their full reveal. I very much doubt that's how it really is. Oda once compared himself to Shanks. That's already a red flag by itself when an author himself says that With how he is handling IMO Shanks is pretty much his mary sue who makes no mistakes and it sounds like he is his self-insert character with how he compared himself to him. Normally I am all praises with Oda when it comes to characters and how story is handled. Except Shanks. I think he really has a favoritism over the character and is not involving the character anything intentionally. Every character makes mistakes and makes wrong prediction shanks somehow just doesn't and stays ahead of everybody. He was right about blackbeard, he is right about luffy and apparently he has perfect timing and judgement when it comes to coming to Wano. The world government who bows to no-one makes compromises to him. The greatest swordsman couldn't even beat him with him being a swordsman as well. So yeah TOTALLY NOT mary sue at all xD i dont understand how even with olli's post you think shanks is essentially a wasted character. that conclusion can only be made if you assume shanks is mindlessly sailing about and everything that happens involving shanks happens by mere coincidence. its quite obvious that shanks has his own agenda, and he does what he does because hes the only one in a position/has the capability to do so. its not difficult to assume that shanks has information on the void century, joy boy and xebec. even if he didnt go to raftel with roger, its unlikely that shanks is completely in the dark about the truth of the world. the fact that shanks specifically stole the rubber (nika) fruit from the wg is evidence of this. now that we know imu exists, and imu has the ability to completely destroy islands, its clear that were being set up for a parallel of god valley. blackbeard is the new xebec, luffy is the new roger and koby is the new garp. i mean its no coincidence that koby just happens to be kidnapped by blackbeard of all people. blackbeard is the antagonist in this scenario because whilst he also wishes to bring change to the world, his motif is domination, not freedom. from shanks' perspective, its obvious that he would prefer joy boys successor to be the catalyst for change, and so his job will have been clear from the moment luffy ate the rubber fruit; help luffy get strong enough to win. either way shanks, like roger, knows that he isnt the one to bring about change to the world. the wg accommodates shanks because regardless of affiliation, shanks is the only character that actually has his interests aligned with the gorosei for the time being, which is maintaining the status quo. hes one of the very few characters to have already fought blackbeard, and he specifically warns whitebeard and gorosei (presumably) about blackbeard because of the threat blackbeard presents to the world. if blackbeard is the successor of xebec's will then blackbeard's goal is domination of the world, and shanks is currently the biggest obstacle in blackbeard's dream which is why some have even theorised that shanks will actually die at blackbeards' hands. meanwhile shanks is doing everything he can to guide luffy to raftel, like showing up at marineford to save luffy and again at wano. its quite clear that shanks is taking an active part in the story, by trying to buy time with his own power and influence to let luffy grow into his role as joy boy. the difference now to god valley would be that roger wasnt joy boy, and so despite being successful in stopping the greater evil xebec, his story ends there. now that luffy is joy boy, my guess is that luffy's journey goes further than just defeating blackbeard, luffy will eventually fight imu (wg).
Well It's quiet surprising how much you adore oda
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if youre too stupid to even fathom that characters do things for a reason and panels are drawn with a purpose then theres no point discussing anything with you. i wasnt aware that storytelling consisted only of pure coincidences and characters that had no agendas
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Honestly you couldn't even mention any of Shanks weakness as a character which makes it even more apparent he's a Mary Sue. A character having perfect judgement (since apparently he hasn't done anything that isn't wise judgement) and practically the most powerful figure in the story outside the law. Shanks is pretty much Oda's very own Mary Sue. He's gandalf without putting in the dirty work per se.
Almost every author suffers that so no surprises here that even Oda would have that character.
The difference is that other authors isn't actually afraid to put their own mary sue character in the dirt and sometimes even plays around the concept.
On October 21 2022 00:40 Shellshock wrote:
Maybe kaguya is the main villain
oh god no more of that kind of surprise LOL
I may have not faith in Oda when it comes to Shanks but I do have faith on his personal self-control not to Kaguya us
then again isn't IMU a late addition that feels kaguya but we also knew something was always up with the WG keeping secrets i guess it doesn't count as getting Kaguya'd
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the new chapter seems to pretty much confirm the old conspiracy theories about vegapunk being a revolutionary.
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