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Byo
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Archeon
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On December 29 2021 05:26 Shinokuki wrote: its just shonen plot progression. Watch akainu make kaido/big mom look weak Tbf after all the people Kaido fought Luffy winning doesn't mean he's necessarily stronger. But yes I'm expecting both BB and Akainu to look stronger. Tbf I can kinda see it with Akainu and BB's whole point is potential. | ||
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Zambrah
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Archeon
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But I could see Sabo vs Akainu, or Akainu just getting tag-teamed by a bunch of people. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On December 30 2021 11:28 Zambrah wrote: Blackbeard should be stronger, the man is using cheat codes, Alaina may or may not be stronger, I mean a dying Whitebeard opened up a can of whoop ass on him, tbh I don’t think Akainu beats Kaido 1v1. I don’t think Akainu will be Luffy’s fight, I think Akainu is gonna be Sabo’s fight. Avenge Ace, rematch of Fire v Magma and such. Man i really hate when people say wb whooped akainu's ass. I'll repeat the following statement again: Akainu beat WB in first round (I get it, WB had heart attack) In second round, Akainu got sneak attacked by WB and still took half of his head off. WB died at end. Akainu came back and faced 14 wb commanders + 1 rev + 2 shichibukai. It's not even a whooping. WB fucken got destroyed. If he actually did whoop akainu's ass akainu would've fallen into ocean. Akainu was conscious enough to grab a ledge and work his way up back again. Based on inconsistent and shonen level of plot, oda had to make wb "win" somehow but oda still showed respect to one of his favorite character and brought akainu very quickly to show that akainu did not get owned. I wonder what would've happend if akainu meigu'd wb from behind. Would wb even be able to attack again? | ||
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Zambrah
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I’d take money that right now Kaido beats Akainu at least 6/10 times in a 1v1. Maybe it’s more even | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Also it wouldn't surprise me if Whitebeard in that condition couldn't have still put in good work vs Big Mom/Kaidou. He was a monster and imo yea he got some good hits on Akainu and absolutely dominated him at points. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On December 30 2021 16:08 Slaughter wrote: That labors under the assumption that Akainu's strength has remained static all this time. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Whitebeard in that condition couldn't have still put in good work vs Big Mom/Kaidou. He was a monster and imo yea he got some good hits on Akainu and absolutely dominated him at points. are we looking at this from anime perspective? In the manga, we only see wb sneak attack akainu and just "caught" akainu off guard when wb just ignored that fatal damage and punched akainu in the ribs. Anime made this fight so biased. In the manga i saw, akainu won convincingly and that was the general notion back when it first came out. People were pretty dissapointed with wb's power | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On December 30 2021 16:08 Slaughter wrote: That labors under the assumption that Akainu's strength has remained static all this time. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Whitebeard in that condition couldn't have still put in good work vs Big Mom/Kaidou. He was a monster and imo yea he got some good hits on Akainu and absolutely dominated him at points. Akainu is almost definitely stronger, especially given he went up a rank which in manga means a probable power-up, but at the same time I think it’s fair to say Kaido is stronger too, since time passed for him too. Akainu is probably tied vs Big Mom imo, but Kaido seems to be top dog in strength until Blackbeard gets mega OPer. | ||
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Hyperbola
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 30 2021 12:08 Shinokuki wrote: Man i really hate when people say wb whooped akainu's ass. I'll repeat the following statement again: Akainu beat WB in first round (I get it, WB had heart attack) In second round, Akainu got sneak attacked by WB and still took half of his head off. WB died at end. Akainu came back and faced 14 wb commanders + 1 rev + 2 shichibukai. It's not even a whooping. WB fucken got destroyed. If he actually did whoop akainu's ass akainu would've fallen into ocean. Akainu was conscious enough to grab a ledge and work his way up back again. Based on inconsistent and shonen level of plot, oda had to make wb "win" somehow but oda still showed respect to one of his favorite character and brought akainu very quickly to show that akainu did not get owned. I wonder what would've happend if akainu meigu'd wb from behind. Would wb even be able to attack again? WB is an old ass man who is literally dying who intentionally stepped on a trap card. He then, basically intentionally let himself get stabbed through the chest to start the battle. That Akainu got hit at all is a pretty legendary feat. Also, the Anime WB is much stronger than manga, which IMO was intentional given Oda's proclivity for using it to clear up interpretations that annoyed him a bit about fan reactions to the manga. Regardless, both Kaido and Shanks were comfortable sailing to MF with a single ship of officers believing that they could dominate the battlefield against a weakened WB force or Marine force, whichever they wanted. Sengoku didn't want to call this "bluff" (its not) even with 3 alive admirals + himself + garp + tsuru. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
I don't think either character "whopped" the other's ass, as they both clearly dealt colossal damage to each other, but I don't see how you can read Whitebeard and Akainu's final encounter, where Whitebeard literally punches him through the fucking island, and say "yea, Akainu won that one" | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On January 01 2022 09:19 Sentenal wrote: How come when Whitebeard punches Akainu's shit in, it has to get explained by "uhhh sneak attack!" This Akainu-apologism is just insane and insulting to both characters. There are literally only two explanations for the "sneak attack". One, Akainu took his focus off of Whitebeard in the middle of a battle where he was obviously the most dangerous combatant on the battlefield and got punished for it (which makes it a point against Akainu). Or two, Whitebeard's rage at the time was enough to fuel him to close the distance on Akainu faster than Akainu was able to react/put up an effective defense against (which makes it a point for Whitebeard). And then implying that Akainu putting a hole in Whitebeard's face was what eventually killed him? Nah, that was Blackbeard's crew. I don't think either character "whopped" the other's ass, as they both clearly dealt colossal damage to each other, but I don't see how you can read Whitebeard and Akainu's final encounter, where Whitebeard literally punches him through the fucking island, and say "yea, Akainu won that one" What colossal damage? Akainu wasn't even hurt. He faced entire WB pirates after that and didn't even need recovery to go chase entire BB pirates. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
And going out and fighting more isnt an indication of damage, especially for a tough guy in the middle of a war. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On January 01 2022 09:41 Shinokuki wrote: What colossal damage? Akainu wasn't even hurt. He faced entire WB pirates after that and didn't even need recovery to go chase entire BB pirates. You either didn't actually read what what happened, or are legitimately insane: https://i.imgur.com/i6fPQV9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/H2BubaI.jpg | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8664 Posts
On January 01 2022 09:41 Shinokuki wrote: What colossal damage? Akainu wasn't even hurt. He faced entire WB pirates after that and didn't even need recovery to go chase entire BB pirates. how do you manage to have such a distorted view or memory of so many things relevant to this site? not just one piece stuff but the "2 hatch was trash" argument also. like seriously... | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On January 01 2022 12:19 Sentenal wrote: You either didn't actually read what what happened, or are legitimately insane: https://i.imgur.com/i6fPQV9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/H2BubaI.jpg Shouldn't he have been sidelined and out for good? (hint: just like how villians like jack/king/queen are out for good once they take massive damage) What happened after he took that? He came back and faced ENTIRE WB PIRATES. Few days later, he went on to chase the ENTIRE BB pirates. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On January 01 2022 12:42 evilfatsh1t wrote: how do you manage to have such a distorted view or memory of so many things relevant to this site? not just one piece stuff but the "2 hatch was trash" argument also. like seriously... Ok | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 01 2022 14:56 Shinokuki wrote: Shouldn't he have been sidelined and out for good? (hint: just like how villians like jack/king/queen are out for good once they take massive damage) What happened after he took that? He came back and faced ENTIRE WB PIRATES. Few days later, he went on to chase the ENTIRE BB pirates. Luffy is and Zoro was still going after equivalent hits. People have huge durability feats in OP. 3 Days isn't a particularly short recovery as far as we've seen. And he wasn't soling the WB Remnants, it was the whole marine force, and the WB people had lost all their will, so its barely a feat at all. Again, Shanks' tiny crew was confident they could have fought all the remaining Marines with little injuries long enough to let the WB pirates escape if they kept pursuing. AND Kaido's thought was even more ambitious, if his ship had arrived when Shanks' did, he was anticipating deleting all the WB pirates + all the marines. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On January 01 2022 16:58 cLutZ wrote: Luffy is and Zoro was still going after equivalent hits. People have huge durability feats in OP. 3 Days isn't a particularly short recovery as far as we've seen. And he wasn't soling the WB Remnants, it was the whole marine force, and the WB people had lost all their will, so its barely a feat at all. Again, Shanks' tiny crew was confident they could have fought all the remaining Marines with little injuries long enough to let the WB pirates escape if they kept pursuing. AND Kaido's thought was even more ambitious, if his ship had arrived when Shanks' did, he was anticipating deleting all the WB pirates + all the marines. dude this is all head cannon. WB pirate's will power decreased? You telling me wb pirates did not have the will power to overwhelm akainu when WB himself told marco and others to defend luffy at all cost? Isn't this your own head cannon? Entire marine force? Where the hell did you get that info? Also, who the hell cares about fodder marines? We see literally Akainu and fodder marines by his side. We don't even see any vice admirals. Akainu didn't get ANY help unlike luffy/zoro. He climbed out of that abyss out of his own will which means he was not sidelined. Luffy and Zoro got ass pull medicine and were saved by various people because they were sidelined and out for good UNTIL someone saved them. There's a difference here man. Also, marineford was just a mess of a power scaling arc. There's a data book (backed by oda's official words) that Mihawk is waiting for someone who can surpass his rival Shanks to eventually challenge him again for the throne. Mihawk alone would've faced against shanks no problem. One admiral alone could solo entire red hair pirates as seen by akainu easily brushing off vista/marco attack and also soling entire wb pirates. Idk what makes you think shanks could handle marines. There were also legends like garp who was probably stronger than WB at the time since WB was sick. Marines were well equipped to deal with anything. Hence, the reason why goroseis talk about the great cleansing. I'm just waiting until admirals show their power. It's getting more obvious and one piece fans still deny this. I honestly dont understand it. I remember when people like you said doffy = admiral or luffy is now equal to admiral after time skip. And then it was katakuri = admiral. Now people are backtracking to say admiral is slightly below yonko level. It's just waiting game now until people see the obvious truth to all of this. Also, plot is everything in one piece. Oda isn't a consistent writer. He's pretty bad at it. pre gear 2/haki less luffy beat crocodile who then got locked up in marineford only to stalemate Doffy who would eventually beat law and overwhelm G4 less luffy. It just doesn't make sense man. From story perspective, it's obvious Akainu is gonna be on par with kaido. I give you that kaido is strongest right now but oda is doing everything he can to soften and weaken kaido so Luffy doesn't go all the way to top. | ||
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