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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6510 Posts
December 04 2021 05:04 GMT
#31821
Yeah I'd argue the OG Haki Cyborg Fruit user Kuma has a bigger variety of power uses than Queen. I like Queen, I think its a nice shake up to see that being a Cyborg can make you stronger (top tier strong) instead of Haki and Devil Fruits being the ultimate ways to get stronk. Queen isn't doing anything particularly egregious imo, the weirdest thing is becoming a fucking snake but thats a running gag and I think its funny so it doesnt bother me, lol.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
54742 Posts
December 04 2021 09:07 GMT
#31822
There's a difference though. Most of what we've seen from Kuma is him using his super versatile fruit and then the occasional laser. Queen's fruit isn't as versatile but he's shown off much better Cyborg enhancements - voice coded rocket launchers, a mechanical neck extension for his DF form and now this chapter he shows that he can use the Germa techniques.

Well, he specifies the brothers. I wonder if he can't use the poison ability?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12320 Posts
December 04 2021 21:58 GMT
#31823
Should have had Franky fight Queen, IMO
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
425 Posts
December 04 2021 22:01 GMT
#31824
anyone remember mr giraffe
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States96142 Posts
December 05 2021 00:32 GMT
#31825
On December 05 2021 07:01 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
anyone remember mr giraffe

yea hes in cp0 now so we will see him again too
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7038 Posts
December 05 2021 13:30 GMT
#31826
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?

When seastone is introduced, we can see it is widespread and has lots of uses, from simply sticking it to the end of weapons, forming handcuffs and cages and coating ships with it. The power of science as we know in the real world is that it is transferable to all people. It isn't magic available to a few select people who happened to eat a magic fruit. It's the problem of disruption the suspension of disbelief. Oda tried by slowly introducing ridiculous powers of science, like cyborg Franky but Queen is just too much, too bizarre all at once. It's like Tite Kubo and One Piece had a love child and named it Queen.
Byo
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada124 Posts
December 05 2021 14:29 GMT
#31827
One of the things i love about one piece is the narrow / specific themes the devil fruit premise provides for the combats between characters and how there is some room for "creativity" in how you can apply ridiculous logic to it to have unexpected resulting power, but it is logic none the less. One such example is flamingo being able to attached strings to clouds to essentially fly. And with so many characters with devil fruit powers the theme isn't recycled as much from fight to fight, though with fights between the same 2 character, and characters with similar powers ie. fire vs lava, evidently there will be some recycling in terms of theme.

This is somewhat similar in other anime's and usually when the characters develop their powers the theme starts branching out. Like at first, its 3 characters under fire / water / wind theme.... and then fire guy gets earth as well etc... but when the theme is he has all elements, then there is no theme.... I certainly don't think its going to happen to that extent in One piece, but since Black beard as one of the "final boss" is touted as having the ability to break out this 1 fruit power mold, i think the more characters that has multiple themes, the less great his ability will be relatively.

Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
748 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 15:11:25
December 05 2021 15:10 GMT
#31828
On December 05 2021 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?

When seastone is introduced, we can see it is widespread and has lots of uses, from simply sticking it to the end of weapons, forming handcuffs and cages and coating ships with it. The power of science as we know in the real world is that it is transferable to all people. It isn't magic available to a few select people who happened to eat a magic fruit. It's the problem of disruption the suspension of disbelief. Oda tried by slowly introducing ridiculous powers of science, like cyborg Franky but Queen is just too much, too bizarre all at once. It's like Tite Kubo and One Piece had a love child and named it Queen.

I'd argue the same could be said about Kuma and Frankie already though. Like if lasers are common enough that by now 3 tinkerers apparently with different energy sources developed them independently then why are the marines using cannons and guns? Why doesn't the Sunny have a gargantuan laser that can one-shot Kaido? That would certainly fit Frankie's theme.

Weapon tech seems to be mostly limited to cyborgs (and ships in the Sunny's case) and even in our world the number of people who'd be willing to replace biological parts of them with mechanical ones realistically isn't that high. To boot we have no way to know how much maintenance is required for these things and Haki is a much stronger power than technology in OP anyways. For me Frankie's level of doing stuff when he got introduced was way more out there than what Queen is doing, after all he's mainly combining stuff from other people (Frankie type body enhancements, Judge abilities, Caesar's biological warfare).

Obviously you could argue that if he has Judge's tech than why does Kaido have so much fodder instead of engineered super soldiers, but the answer is simply that Queen doesn't care about fodder as shown when he spreads the virus.

On December 05 2021 23:29 Byo wrote:
One of the things i love about one piece is the narrow / specific themes the devil fruit premise provides for the combats between characters and how there is some room for "creativity" in how you can apply ridiculous logic to it to have unexpected resulting power, but it is logic none the less. One such example is flamingo being able to attached strings to clouds to essentially fly. And with so many characters with devil fruit powers the theme isn't recycled as much from fight to fight, though with fights between the same 2 character, and characters with similar powers ie. fire vs lava, evidently there will be some recycling in terms of theme.

This is somewhat similar in other anime's and usually when the characters develop their powers the theme starts branching out. Like at first, its 3 characters under fire / water / wind theme.... and then fire guy gets earth as well etc... but when the theme is he has all elements, then there is no theme.... I certainly don't think its going to happen to that extent in One piece, but since Black beard as one of the "final boss" is touted as having the ability to break out this 1 fruit power mold, i think the more characters that has multiple themes, the less great his ability will be relatively.


Perfectly fair, I don't enjoy Queen using Judge's techniques much either, but Queen currently is mainly doing clowny stuff anyways. Like he literally forgot that he's fighting Sanji because he saw a prostitute he's mad at, the fight is a joke fight more than anything from Queen's side.

For me Haki is the way larger problem for that than Queen though, although I agree on Black Beard's fruit being a really boring way to break the setting.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
54742 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 16:27:54
December 05 2021 16:11 GMT
#31829
My favorite part of the fight tbh is that Queen would have gotten away with using stealth as a 20 ton dinosaur if the floor boards hadn't creeked.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12320 Posts
December 05 2021 21:43 GMT
#31830
On December 06 2021 00:10 Archeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?

When seastone is introduced, we can see it is widespread and has lots of uses, from simply sticking it to the end of weapons, forming handcuffs and cages and coating ships with it. The power of science as we know in the real world is that it is transferable to all people. It isn't magic available to a few select people who happened to eat a magic fruit. It's the problem of disruption the suspension of disbelief. Oda tried by slowly introducing ridiculous powers of science, like cyborg Franky but Queen is just too much, too bizarre all at once. It's like Tite Kubo and One Piece had a love child and named it Queen.

I'd argue the same could be said about Kuma and Frankie already though. Like if lasers are common enough that by now 3 tinkerers apparently with different energy sources developed them independently then why are the marines using cannons and guns? Why doesn't the Sunny have a gargantuan laser that can one-shot Kaido? That would certainly fit Frankie's theme.

Weapon tech seems to be mostly limited to cyborgs (and ships in the Sunny's case) and even in our world the number of people who'd be willing to replace biological parts of them with mechanical ones realistically isn't that high. To boot we have no way to know how much maintenance is required for these things and Haki is a much stronger power than technology in OP anyways. For me Frankie's level of doing stuff when he got introduced was way more out there than what Queen is doing, after all he's mainly combining stuff from other people (Frankie type body enhancements, Judge abilities, Caesar's biological warfare).

Obviously you could argue that if he has Judge's tech than why does Kaido have so much fodder instead of engineered super soldiers, but the answer is simply that Queen doesn't care about fodder as shown when he spreads the virus.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 23:29 Byo wrote:
One of the things i love about one piece is the narrow / specific themes the devil fruit premise provides for the combats between characters and how there is some room for "creativity" in how you can apply ridiculous logic to it to have unexpected resulting power, but it is logic none the less. One such example is flamingo being able to attached strings to clouds to essentially fly. And with so many characters with devil fruit powers the theme isn't recycled as much from fight to fight, though with fights between the same 2 character, and characters with similar powers ie. fire vs lava, evidently there will be some recycling in terms of theme.

This is somewhat similar in other anime's and usually when the characters develop their powers the theme starts branching out. Like at first, its 3 characters under fire / water / wind theme.... and then fire guy gets earth as well etc... but when the theme is he has all elements, then there is no theme.... I certainly don't think its going to happen to that extent in One piece, but since Black beard as one of the "final boss" is touted as having the ability to break out this 1 fruit power mold, i think the more characters that has multiple themes, the less great his ability will be relatively.


Perfectly fair, I don't enjoy Queen using Judge's techniques much either, but Queen currently is mainly doing clowny stuff anyways. Like he literally forgot that he's fighting Sanji because he saw a prostitute he's mad at, the fight is a joke fight more than anything from Queen's side.

For me Haki is the way larger problem for that than Queen though, although I agree on Black Beard's fruit being a really boring way to break the setting.

Wait, I thought the Sunny did have some giant ass cannon on it?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6510 Posts
December 06 2021 12:07 GMT
#31831
I think the Sunny has lots of different giant ass cannons on it tbh, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France392 Posts
December 06 2021 21:25 GMT
#31832
On December 05 2021 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?


I find pretty weird that you think science is equally spread as soon as something new apears around the world IRL to be honest.

I mean, if so, then where are my super laser ? Where is my fusion reactor that powers up everything around me ? Where is my flying rocket that can take me to the moon ? Where is my quantum supercomputer ?

It feels you think technology/innovation born in R&D labs instantly transfers into IRL usual world ?!

Some protoypes are conceived, some studies are thought, some machines are engineered right now and basically none in the world have any clue about it save the bunch of people doing it, and it's going to be like that for 20 years ahead 'till enough progress is made so that a company actually finds a way to make profit manufacturing and selling it.

There is a world between a study indicating that something is possible and a functionning prototype, and there is then an other different world between this functionning prototype and the thing that is manufactured a billion time and sold to us consumers.

I don't see why it should be different in OP ?!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11694 Posts
December 07 2021 00:50 GMT
#31833
On December 06 2021 21:07 Zambrah wrote:
I think the Sunny has lots of different giant ass cannons on it tbh, lol

They have the hilarious Gao Cannon that wrecked the flying fish.

But, there is very little actual naval combat in OP.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7038 Posts
December 07 2021 20:16 GMT
#31834
On December 07 2021 06:25 SkrollK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?


I find pretty weird that you think science is equally spread as soon as something new apears around the world IRL to be honest.

I mean, if so, then where are my super laser ? Where is my fusion reactor that powers up everything around me ? Where is my flying rocket that can take me to the moon ? Where is my quantum supercomputer ?

It feels you think technology/innovation born in R&D labs instantly transfers into IRL usual world ?!

Some protoypes are conceived, some studies are thought, some machines are engineered right now and basically none in the world have any clue about it save the bunch of people doing it, and it's going to be like that for 20 years ahead 'till enough progress is made so that a company actually finds a way to make profit manufacturing and selling it.

There is a world between a study indicating that something is possible and a functionning prototype, and there is then an other different world between this functionning prototype and the thing that is manufactured a billion time and sold to us consumers.

I don't see why it should be different in OP ?!

Where's my super laser asked someone, in a world where reading data from lasers as a consumer item is considered outdated, where machine guns is basic military technology for the last 100 years, or from from a phone that transmits data through the air as if by magic. Where is my supercomputer asks someone whose phone is more powerful than that put man on the moon. Where is my flying rocket asks someone who has no reason to goto the moon, but can fly anywhere in the world for cheap in less than 24 hours, in a world filled with so many satellites it's causing trouble to launch new satellites.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France392 Posts
December 08 2021 10:32 GMT
#31835
On December 08 2021 05:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2021 06:25 SkrollK wrote:
On December 05 2021 22:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think the problem isn't that Queen has a bunch of crazy powers that is essentially several devil fruit powers that is normally a person has one of each of, but that he does it through the power of science, not fantasy magic. It's like the problem of machine guns, rockets, and walking laser robots in One Piece. They exist, but where is the rest of the technology? Where are the armies of soldiers with machine guns, rockets and laser robots and why are they coexisting beside Napoleonic era guns?


I find pretty weird that you think science is equally spread as soon as something new apears around the world IRL to be honest.

I mean, if so, then where are my super laser ? Where is my fusion reactor that powers up everything around me ? Where is my flying rocket that can take me to the moon ? Where is my quantum supercomputer ?

It feels you think technology/innovation born in R&D labs instantly transfers into IRL usual world ?!

Some protoypes are conceived, some studies are thought, some machines are engineered right now and basically none in the world have any clue about it save the bunch of people doing it, and it's going to be like that for 20 years ahead 'till enough progress is made so that a company actually finds a way to make profit manufacturing and selling it.

There is a world between a study indicating that something is possible and a functionning prototype, and there is then an other different world between this functionning prototype and the thing that is manufactured a billion time and sold to us consumers.

I don't see why it should be different in OP ?!

Where's my super laser asked someone, in a world where reading data from lasers as a consumer item is considered outdated, where machine guns is basic military technology for the last 100 years, or from from a phone that transmits data through the air as if by magic. Where is my supercomputer asks someone whose phone is more powerful than that put man on the moon. Where is my flying rocket asks someone who has no reason to goto the moon, but can fly anywhere in the world for cheap in less than 24 hours, in a world filled with so many satellites it's causing trouble to launch new satellites.


OK so you don't even understand what I wrote, but even more you do not even understand the meaning of what you wrote lmao.
When phone was invented, it was already IPhone 12 (or whatever number it is RN) and already available everywhere in the world by anyone, right? Of course it was...

Plus your absence of reflection upon the "I got a smartphone or the possibility to fly around so absolutely everyone in the world got the same access to those things as I do" is... Laughable.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7038 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-09 20:54:48
December 09 2021 20:53 GMT
#31836
Who said anything about iphone 12? (or whatever you think a high status phone is.) Relatively poor farmers in Asia and Africa use mobile phones with semiconductors manufactured from lasers, to get weather forecast and price data from global navigation satellite systems that uses orbital rocket technology. This is the reality of the world we live in.

You don't have a superlaser weapon because you don't have need of one. Unless I am mistaken, you are not a gigantic military organisation. Nuclear weapons were used successfully over 70 years ago. You might as well ask where is your nuclear weapon? You don't have nuclear weapons but chances are, you use nuclear power to partially generate your electricity and nuclear power generate a significant amount of worldwide electrical energy..

Technology is small incremental changes across a broad swath of researchers, not a single great man making big leaps. It's pretty wierd to have specific advanced technologies well beyond present technology, but without evincing any underlying technology that would make them possible.

But that wasn't even the point I was making. As I said the problem is the problem of disruption the suspension of disbelief. Queen is just too much, too bizarre all at once. Queen is pulling out several multiple powers at once which is unusual in One Piece.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland2008 Posts
December 11 2021 08:54 GMT
#31837
It is true that the technology spread in One Piece is very bizarre, for example most guys sail around with wooden ships while the Sunny has a beam cannon and a submarine, which are powered by engines. However, I find it just pointless to think about the technological implications in this sort of fun and adventure manga that just rolls with so many random things.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7038 Posts
December 11 2021 19:41 GMT
#31838
It is bizarre, but what I find strange is someone arguing that One Piece applies to real life.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States17228 Posts
December 11 2021 21:57 GMT
#31839
I think part of it is the WG is probably suppressing technological spread to a degree.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11694 Posts
December 12 2021 00:28 GMT
#31840
Weapons tech is almost always kept secret by governments. Pirate crews, particularly Yonko crews, might as well be governments to themselves.
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