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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
54743 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-27 20:19:57
November 27 2021 20:19 GMT
#31801
Zoro literally looks like Ryuma and Ryuma's descendant Ushimaru did in their youth, to the point it's even acknowledged by characters within the story. So it's either some sort of "inherited will" type of deal between completely unrelated people (like Luffy looking a lot like young Roger) or he's from a different branch of the family than Kuina (i. e. one branch was ruling a territory in Wano until they rebelled against Kaido, the other branch formed a village in East Blue).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11694 Posts
November 28 2021 00:25 GMT
#31802
On November 27 2021 19:49 herMan wrote:
I would like nothing more if Zoro was just a random person from the village. I just feel that after revealing a significant resemblance to a former Wano samurai, there just isn't any way it would be a random coincidence.


He almost certainly is descended from a person who left Wano with Shimutsuki, more specifically Ringo.

That doesn't mean 100% he'd be from the royal family. People in Sweden look like Swedes. Wano is Oda Japan analogue. People from Hokkaido, for example, bear pretty strong resemblance to each other.
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland2008 Posts
November 28 2021 08:54 GMT
#31803
Yes of course ethnicity is a thing in the real world. However, my recollection is that in One Piece tribal similarities are anything but subtle. Fishmen, giants, longleg tribesmen, minks etc. have their own distinct thing going on. I find it hard to include "people with green hair" to that mix.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
9856 Posts
December 02 2021 17:02 GMT
#31804
Sanji is also on fire on the new chapter

On November 27 2021 18:05 herMan wrote:
So the sword wants conqueror's haki in order to be used correctly or something.

I'm fairly certain Zoro is descendent from Wano. Did you already forget the Zoro looking dude from the flashbacks? He's also just the right age to be born outside of Wano after Kaido took over.

It was only a matter of time before Zoro started conquerors haki usage on page (Kaido's comment on him before was already a hint).

Mihawk supposedly could trade with Shanks which uses conq coating for certain. And well the obvious with Rayleigh using it as well (parallels and all that)
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland2008 Posts
December 02 2021 18:44 GMT
#31805
Yeah, the funny thing about the "exclusive" Conqueror's Haki is that loads of people have it!

I find it a bit daft that you need to have won some sort of genetic lottery to progress further on the Grand Line. Imagine if Zoro didn't have it - the world's best would remain a dream and you could do absolutely nothing about it. Then again I don't recall if it was stated so or if it's something you can just "awaken" somehow.

I guess I've become that guy in this thread who chafes against hard work vs. fate, ha.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France6526 Posts
December 02 2021 20:43 GMT
#31806
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia5919 Posts
December 03 2021 06:41 GMT
#31807
On December 03 2021 03:44 herMan wrote:
Yeah, the funny thing about the "exclusive" Conqueror's Haki is that loads of people have it!

I find it a bit daft that you need to have won some sort of genetic lottery to progress further on the Grand Line. Imagine if Zoro didn't have it - the world's best would remain a dream and you could do absolutely nothing about it. Then again I don't recall if it was stated so or if it's something you can just "awaken" somehow.

I guess I've become that guy in this thread who chafes against hard work vs. fate, ha.

i dont think your assessment of the requirements for someone to have conquerors haki is accurate. conquerors haki is a manifestation of the will of the individual. if you have 'stronger will' (ie. stronger mental fortitude/charisma etc) you are more likely to have conquerors haki. thats what were seeing in the characters that have now been shown to have it. individuals that are already stronger and more determined than 99% of the one piece population.
luffy doesnt have it because garp has it. luffy has it because hes just extremely tough from a mental perspective, and it just so happens that its a trait that he shares with his father/grand father. if garp was a drop kick but luffy still grew up to be the way he is now, he would still have conquerors haki.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6543 Posts
December 03 2021 07:04 GMT
#31808
I dont think Conquerors Haki is something you can just get, I think you have to be born with it. I’m not sure it’s strictly hereditary, but I had always thought it’s something that select individuals were born with.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia5919 Posts
December 03 2021 07:23 GMT
#31809
its probably akin to people being born with specific personalities. some people are lazy, some people are driven, some people are obsessive, some people are introverted etc.
you can inherit traits from your parents but its not a rule that kids are or arent like their parents, which is how i would assume conquerors haki works. and if people can be introverted but over time change their personality to be extroverted, then maybe likewise you could not qualify to have conquerors haki but later down the road develop the exact traits that puts you in the 0.0001% of the population that develops it? who knows
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland2008 Posts
December 03 2021 07:29 GMT
#31810
I checked the One Piece wiki; at least it states that you are born with the ability, with a likelihood of one in "several million". I was just rewatching the Marineford arc and some top fighter made a comment about Luffy's lineage when he used it "so the grandson has it too" etc. so that's consistent.

So yeah, you need a divine blessing during birth to determine if you can make it all the way or not. In that vein a Yonkou regime's longevity makes more sense as it's a ridiculous barrier for upstarts looking to usurp an incumbent.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland2008 Posts
December 03 2021 07:31 GMT
#31811
On December 03 2021 16:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its probably akin to people being born with specific personalities. some people are lazy, some people are driven, some people are obsessive, some people are introverted etc.
you can inherit traits from your parents but its not a rule that kids are or arent like their parents, which is how i would assume conquerors haki works. and if people can be introverted but over time change their personality to be extroverted, then maybe likewise you could not qualify to have conquerors haki but later down the road develop the exact traits that puts you in the 0.0001% of the population that develops it? who knows


I do agree that it's not the same thing to have it dormant within you vs. making use of it
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria17128 Posts
December 03 2021 08:37 GMT
#31812
On December 03 2021 16:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its probably akin to people being born with specific personalities. some people are lazy, some people are driven, some people are obsessive, some people are introverted etc.
you can inherit traits from your parents but its not a rule that kids are or arent like their parents, which is how i would assume conquerors haki works. and if people can be introverted but over time change their personality to be extroverted, then maybe likewise you could not qualify to have conquerors haki but later down the road develop the exact traits that puts you in the 0.0001% of the population that develops it? who knows


yep its definitely a trait. Same as being a hardworker in the real life is a trait imo. Not everyone can be one

Also Sanji!!! Finally! We have been waiting for these scenes since the timeskip!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6543 Posts
December 03 2021 12:04 GMT
#31813
Is it finally the Year of Sanji?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2340 Posts
December 03 2021 13:57 GMT
#31814
So queen has cybernetic powers and a devil fruit and haki? Seems like Blackbeard had the wrong approach. Why steal devil fruits when you can just go to a ripperdoc and install a bunch of technological upgrades that give you super powers without taking your ability to swim? Even One Piece isn't safe from power creep, I guess.

Also that's 4 characters now that have invisibility powers. Probably more if I really thought about it. I think as time goes on, half the cast will be able to turn invisible.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6543 Posts
December 03 2021 14:07 GMT
#31815
Queens not even the first cyborg with haki and a devil fruit we've seen though
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2340 Posts
December 03 2021 17:42 GMT
#31816
But he is the first cyborg that seems to have a hundred random powers that used to be limited to devil fruit users and are now being handed out like candy.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7038 Posts
December 03 2021 22:46 GMT
#31817
The power of science. Can make you shoot lasers from your eyes, shoot flames from...somewhere and turn you invisible! Also extend your neck. Whilst you are in your magical beast form. Somehow.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States96142 Posts
December 03 2021 23:39 GMT
#31818
jack sucks compared to the other 2 commanders
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11694 Posts
December 04 2021 03:15 GMT
#31819
On December 04 2021 08:39 Shellshock wrote:
jack sucks compared to the other 2 commanders

Jack is still a baby. He doesn't know mammoths used to shoot out their tusks like whaling harpoons
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
749 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 04:15:13
December 04 2021 04:13 GMT
#31820
Am I the only one who doesn't care that Queen does a bunch of random BS? Queen is 90% a joke character anyways imo, yes he's strong for a joke character, but his whole stick is being mad and funky so I really don't have a problem with him doing stupid stuff that results in nothing.

To boot OP has random powers for everyone, Kuuma can do all kinds of weird shit, Zorro can literally cut anything by now except for Haki apparently and create twisters with his sword and Luffy does whatever the fuck gear 4 is.
low gravity, yes-yes!
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