EPTThen again, maybe it's just me bitching about the slow pace of chapters but in retrospect it's gonna work out. It just feels as a reader as if I'm being distracted by one side plot after another.
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herMan
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Then again, maybe it's just me bitching about the slow pace of chapters but in retrospect it's gonna work out. It just feels as a reader as if I'm being distracted by one side plot after another. | ||
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Archeon
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On September 29 2021 19:03 herMan wrote: I feel there has been a lot of unnecessary details in this arc. The side plots have been numerous. The Scabbards' fight and bumblings. Killer virus outbreak and vaccine retrieval. Yamato's extensive background exposition. Orochi getting his head cut off but staying alive and being a pest. Zoro's lineage background bullshit. Then again, maybe it's just me bitching about the slow pace of chapters but in retrospect it's gonna work out. It just feels as a reader as if I'm being distracted by one side plot after another. Scabbard's fight is kinda the main plot point of this arc and the setup for Luffy's fight against Kaido. Concerning the virus I mostly saw it as a Chopper vs Queen battle on the medical field and imo it wasn't that long. Thought it was good that Chopper got some time to shine as a doctor, even if the place in the story when it happened felt a bit weird to me. Yamato might join the party and her/him going against her/his dad kinda needs explanation. Overall Yamato is imo one of the more likeable characters in recent time and I don't mind her/him getting backstory at all. Zorro's dad/granddad was maybe a page or two overall, don't really mind that. I agree that Orochi just imo isn't a very interesting villain that better would have just stayed dead and there have been a bunch of stories that just felt a little much and a bit pointless to me like the fox story f.e.. So I agree that the arc is a bit stretched, even if I don't really agree on the examples when it comes to what should have been cut. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
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Zambrah
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Archeon
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On September 30 2021 07:35 Zambrah wrote: I think Orochi might be made more interesting once we get more on the Kurozomi's, feel like we're on the brink of them getting fleshed out more I mean he might, but I still think he fundamentally undermines Kaido as a villain. It often felt like Kaido was basically Orochi's bodyguard and Orochi was the actual bad guy of the arc, which was weird to me considering that the main goal seems to be killing Kaido. | ||
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Slaughter
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PVJ
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Zambrah
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On October 01 2021 10:13 Archeon wrote: I mean he might, but I still think he fundamentally undermines Kaido as a villain. It often felt like Kaido was basically Orochi's bodyguard and Orochi was the actual bad guy of the arc, which was weird to me considering that the main goal seems to be killing Kaido. Really? Orochi always seemed like a corrupt Bumblefuck to me, I never got a read of intelligence that would give him any real sway over Kaido, he always seemed like the local figurehead for The Real Big Man Kaido | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 02 2021 12:44 evilfatsh1t wrote: i agree that orochi never felt like anything more than kaidos pawn. never got the feeling that orochi was more important than kaido or that kaido was his bodyguard. Orochi has always been a gag. He was sort of hyped, but when you first saw him on the page you knew he was a joke. Killing him is going to be a cathartic moment for someone, that is his purpose. | ||
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Zambrah
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Archeon
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On October 02 2021 11:42 Zambrah wrote: Really? Orochi always seemed like a corrupt Bumblefuck to me, I never got a read of intelligence that would give him any real sway over Kaido, he always seemed like the local figurehead for The Real Big Man Kaido Mainly as in Orochi does all the despicable stuff that is supposed to make us hate the villain and Kaido is just the dude who's the massive roadblock between the Samurai and Orochi. Kaido was always the larger threat, but with the exception of the SAD story I don't even feel like Kaido is really evil, 99% of the really nefarious petty shit to the people of Wano was done by Orochi. | ||
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Alaric
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Archeon
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On October 03 2021 23:39 Alaric wrote: Kaido still plans to take over and transform Wano into a slave country turned into his flotilla's personal weapons factory. This isn't exactly being a benevolent ruler. Maybe I understated Kaido's evilness a bit, but the point is that while we know Kaido's evil, 99% of the time bad happens it's Orochi doing it. So imo it's much easier to hate Orochi than Kaido this arc. | ||
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Hyperbola
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This arc would have been a lot better and far more focused if there were only 5 scabbards (Kinemon, Kanjuro, Dog, Cat, Raizo), Orochi was written out and replaced with Kaido, Onigashima replaced flower capital, Porcupine guy and Ebisu town were cut, Headliners like Speed and Holdem were removed, and the arc only focused on the Flying Six and the All Stars. Basically, Oda needs a story editor | ||
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Archeon
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On October 04 2021 12:12 Hyperbola wrote: I agree with Orochi being a useless character. It makes zero sense to have a villain like him to get so much character development and then be completely side stepped and replaced with Kaido. Even the scabbards stopped giving a fuck about him once the battle started, just chopped his heads off and moved on. This arc would have been a lot better and far more focused if there were only 5 scabbards (Kinemon, Kanjuro, Dog, Cat, Raizo), Orochi was written out and replaced with Kaido, Onigashima replaced flower capital, Porcupine guy and Ebisu town were cut, Headliners like Speed and Holdem were removed, and the arc only focused on the Flying Six and the All Stars. Basically, Oda needs a story editor Yeah fully agreed. Maybe it's because of the weekly format or because I'm reading a lot of stuff or just because I'm not as familiar with Japanese history/mythology as Oda's target audience, but I have really trouble this arc to remember who's who and it feels really a bit stretched out with a lot of minor characters with extremely minor inconsequential stories. In a lot of ways this arc reminds me of Alabasta, but Alabasta had a lot more concentrated cast or characters that felt more equally efficient to me at making me emotionally involved. It feels a bit to me like Oda had a ton of cool ideas for minor stories based on Japanese history/mythology and just ended up putting them all in. Like I'm honestly surprised I remember as many characters as I do because I already struggled with Dressrosa, but I've already forgotten the backstory of like half of the Samurai and a lot of the minor stuff. Which is a shame because I think that most of the arc is good, but my brain can't keep up so I'd prefer it if it was a bit more concentrated. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 04 2021 12:12 Hyperbola wrote: I agree with Orochi being a useless character. It makes zero sense to have a villain like him to get so much character development and then be completely side stepped and replaced with Kaido. Even the scabbards stopped giving a fuck about him once the battle started, just chopped his heads off and moved on. This arc would have been a lot better and far more focused if there were only 5 scabbards (Kinemon, Kanjuro, Dog, Cat, Raizo), Orochi was written out and replaced with Kaido, Onigashima replaced flower capital, Porcupine guy and Ebisu town were cut, Headliners like Speed and Holdem were removed, and the arc only focused on the Flying Six and the All Stars. Basically, Oda needs a story editor Orochi is basically Babidi from the Majin Buu arc of DBZ. That was a weak arc, for sure, but Babidi wasn't the problem. Buu was the problem. Kaido doesn't have the same flaws as Buu. Orochi is a perfect villain IMO because we always knew who he was once we saw his stupid teeth. He's basically evil for the purpose of being evil. | ||
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