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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
October 09 2021 04:01 GMT
#31721
What is annoying like someone mentioned previously is Zoro and now Sanji hard training over the years are minimised.

THEY HAVE THE POWER INSIDE THEM ALL ALONG. IT IS THEIR BLOODLINE AWAKENING......

I do hope this theory is just a red herring
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 09 2021 04:14 GMT
#31722
Zoro has always been a monster who constantly is training. All his power up really is just the sword and learning to use Haki properly to control it.

Sanji's seems to be a more "convenient time for his powers to awaken" since we knew theoretically that he had the potential ever since we met his family.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 09 2021 04:33 GMT
#31723
On October 08 2021 21:53 herMan wrote:
Lots of stuff in this chapter! What I don't get is why the WG would want to annex Wano. I mean, isn't it convenient for them that there still exists a Kozuki heir to bring back the status quo?

I had to go back to the wiki to find what abilities Sanji's brothers had. It seems very likely that he can imbue his leg with fire thanks to his "genetic modifications". They also have some sort of "exoskeleton", seems like that is what stopped Queen's sword.


Its probably been a target since Oden joined both WB and Roger's crews.

But I don't see what this play is unless they are sending multiple admirals. Even if the Beasts pirates go down, Big Mom and 5 worst generations are still there, even if beaten up. Big Mom is chaos, but she would probably be anti-WG in a fight.

And do they even know how to go up the waterfall? Or are they gonna use the other entrance that they don't (yet) control? The only way they get to that is if all the 9 are dead, right?
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8669 Posts
October 09 2021 06:25 GMT
#31724
i assumed the battleships on the way was a buster call, which means at least 1 admiral should be accompanying. i think also the assumption is that if kaido loses, big mom also loses and they are incapable of fighting. that would leave a very exhausted or injured straw hat alliance having to fight an admiral in good condition
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1060 Posts
October 09 2021 06:48 GMT
#31725
On October 09 2021 15:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i assumed the battleships on the way was a buster call, which means at least 1 admiral should be accompanying. i think also the assumption is that if kaido loses, big mom also loses and they are incapable of fighting. that would leave a very exhausted or injured straw hat alliance having to fight an admiral in good condition

And that admiral will be Green Bull who just might be Shimotsuki Ushimaru.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shimotsuki_Ushimaru

Note the bull on his back. Also the whole thing about not eating when he met Fujitora and in the cave with Yamato.

So perhaps another friendly marine who can’t officially be friendly with the Strawhats.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7316 Posts
October 09 2021 10:25 GMT
#31726
Aight that'd be really cool tbh. That being said, TWO sword wielding admirals? Mmm, I dunno.

I think we've seen his profile too, he doesn't have the kind of hair or face that matches what we've seen of silhouetted Shimotsuki Ushimaru (or Zoro, since they're similar looking apparently)
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8669 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-09 11:24:42
October 09 2021 11:17 GMT
#31727
i saw that green bull theory and i thought it was very solid. the clues are too big of a coincidence that it cant not be him.
ushimaru also apparently means "bull", so if this guy doesnt turn out to be green bull oda would have to be the biggest troll
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 09 2021 13:47 GMT
#31728
Whoa, that seems very likely. I'm still not happy that all random orphans from East Blue have a badass relative.

I totally forgot that Wano is the place where Poneglyphs come from. I wonder if it's also the "fallen kingdom" that opposed the WG during the Void Century? The place must be revealed eventually and there are not many island left in the series, I presume.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 09 2021 22:05 GMT
#31729
On October 09 2021 22:47 herMan wrote:
Whoa, that seems very likely. I'm still not happy that all random orphans from East Blue have a badass relative.

I totally forgot that Wano is the place where Poneglyphs come from. I wonder if it's also the "fallen kingdom" that opposed the WG during the Void Century? The place must be revealed eventually and there are not many island left in the series, I presume.


I mean it really only Luffy right? I guess Sanji somewhat as well as Usopp (not a stretch since Shanks crew hung around East Blue) Nami has unnamed parents, Chopper has rando raindeer parents, Robin had some scholar parents but no one of real note, Franky has unnamed parents but was an apprentice of a well known ship builder, Brook unknown parents, Zoro unknown parents but they were probably Wano immigrants/refugees. Jinbe unknown. Not a whole lot outside of Luffy and Sanji and we have known about Luffy for forever and we have known Sanji had a special backstory for a long time as well ever since his wanted poster first came out.
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 10 2021 16:57 GMT
#31730
Usopp's dad is a high-ranking Yonkou pirate, Zoro may very well have an ex-royalty of Wano and current admiral as a father. Of the five people that left East Blue, four have notable blood relatives. I thought it was way cooler and more relatable when these guys were just nobodies sailing out to the world (not counting Luffy who is the MC)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8669 Posts
October 10 2021 17:16 GMT
#31731
to be fair we knew usopps dad was legit from very early on. it was ok though because usopp was so pathetic that you couldnt credit any of his progression to having a cool dad
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2539 Posts
October 10 2021 18:18 GMT
#31732
On October 11 2021 02:16 evilfatsh1t wrote:
to be fair we knew usopps dad was legit from very early on. it was ok though because usopp was so pathetic that you couldnt credit any of his progression to having a cool dad

Usopp is even more pathetic when you realize his sniping powers are genetic. His dad clearly left him at an early age so it's not like he taught him how to snipe. So unless there's some hidden legend in Syrup village, all of Usopp's abilities come from his bloodline. He never toughened himself up like Luffy or Zoro and just slacked off, lied, and relied solely on his kekkei genkai to get him through life.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 10 2021 20:21 GMT
#31733
He toughened up during the time skip and was always tinkering with stuff to develop new things.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44153 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-11 04:30:57
October 11 2021 04:30 GMT
#31734
On October 11 2021 01:57 herMan wrote:
Usopp's dad is a high-ranking Yonkou pirate, Zoro may very well have an ex-royalty of Wano and current admiral as a father. Of the five people that left East Blue, four have notable blood relatives. I thought it was way cooler and more relatable when these guys were just nobodies sailing out to the world (not counting Luffy who is the MC)

Well at least Nami and Franky are nobodies. Franky may be raised by Roger's shipwright but his lineage is at least random and so is Nami. Chopper too cause he's literally just a deer and Brook. Close enough
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 11 2021 05:08 GMT
#31735
I had not heard that Greenbull theory. It sounds a bit out of left field because Wano is closed and all the Daimyo I thought fought against Kaido's initial invasion. Also those weren't the normal navy ships, so this looks like an off the books CP-operation, not a buster call.

Also, the plan is conditional on Kaido losing. They don't care if Kaido barely wins and they could easily seize Wano from him, they just don't want the Wano status quo changed. That means the weapons (and probably seastone) flow is the WG priority.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8669 Posts
October 11 2021 08:05 GMT
#31736
my impression is that if luffy wins the wg want to deny them a chance to read the poneglyph. annexing wano entirely would also allow the government to control information leak from the poneglyph better. it seems this is the most obvious motive because of the order to capture robin again
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 11 2021 08:22 GMT
#31737
I don't think the world government cares about straw hats reading poneglyphs enough to annex a country. I'd say the WG wants Robin because of the weapon, and also to sniff out her ability to read poneglyphs so she can't teach others to do the same. Judging from the translation, this is a secondary perk of the whole operation.

I guess WG wasn't on good terms with the Kozuki clan in the first place, if the latter were the ones to create poneglyphs. Makes sense for Wano to be an independent country if the rulers absolutely abhor the WG due to historical reasons.

It's sensible for WG to increase their power by adding yet another country in their roster. I'd wager it's not the first time they've done such a thing. It's entirely possible that not every one of the 170+ countries in the coalition joined on their own terms...
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-11 20:54:33
October 11 2021 20:53 GMT
#31738
On October 11 2021 13:30 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2021 01:57 herMan wrote:
Usopp's dad is a high-ranking Yonkou pirate, Zoro may very well have an ex-royalty of Wano and current admiral as a father. Of the five people that left East Blue, four have notable blood relatives. I thought it was way cooler and more relatable when these guys were just nobodies sailing out to the world (not counting Luffy who is the MC)

Well at least Nami and Franky are nobodies. Franky may be raised by Roger's shipwright but his lineage is at least random and so is Nami. Chopper too cause he's literally just a deer and Brook. Close enough

Nobodies… for now. Which can always be changed with the open ended orphan plot

Nami is probably the daughter of Enel and Crocodile when he was still a woman. She controls the weather and had a similar hairstyle to crocodile pre time skip. Boom your mind is blown
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7316 Posts
October 11 2021 23:24 GMT
#31739
Vegapunk is Franky's father! Powerful lineages all around!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 12 2021 00:35 GMT
#31740
On October 12 2021 08:24 Zambrah wrote:
Vegapunk is Franky's father! Powerful lineages all around!

Yes he time traveled back in time became a pirate and knocked up franky’s mom
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