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On July 21 2021 08:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Did I say Kaido or Yamato are definately human? No I wrote Show nested quote +On July 17 2021 06:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:I would had preferred it if Yamato didn't have a devil fruit and was just a normal human. As human as you can be what with being 12 feet tall and with horns. to which Clutz wrote Show nested quote +On July 17 2021 17:24 cLutZ wrote:
Yamato was never a normal human cus half Kaido. And Kaido isn't normal human. It's totally normal in One Piece that humans are huge. Whitebeard is as big as Kaido with a horn mustache. Is he not human? Big Mom is as big as Kaido and is so horny she has 30 kids. Is she not human too?
According to the wiki Whitebeard is 6.66m and BM 8.80m (what's up with these numbers). From https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/2/11000000/13.jpeg and other pics I'd assume that Kaido is even larger than BM, which would put him somewhere near the 10m region. This would fit in his fight against Luffy where he constantly towers above him.
Considering that BM had human parents who knows who is pure human and who isn't. Maybe they all have some giant dna mixed in from interbreeding, maybe Kaido's something else, maybe his and Yamato's horns are just it's from their devil fruits. Yamato seems more in the region of what we'd expect and while Yamato's significantly larger than Luffy, I don't think she/he's significantly larger than Franky f.e. and Luffy seems to be on the small side.
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I stopped posting in this thread because people started talking about spoilers in other shows. I will check after this post to see if people are willing to put their other series spoilers in spoiler tags. Hope to rejoin this thread soon. I have been participating on Discord talking about theories and wanted to share with you guys, since you were the first ones I discussed theories with. And you guys are the reason I read one piece! So thank you!
If we know there were 8 notable members of the Rocks pirates, this feels like further evidence Kaido's whole motivation for Wano etc probably isn't entirely selfish, since his flag also has 8 bones. 8 bones on both Kaido and BB's ship is a clue that both of them are answering to a higher calling. I feel like we have gotten plenty of clues that Kaido and BB both have hidden objectives. Seeing they both likely have a similar allegiance also makes sense.
One possibility I don't think people are accounting for: BB may be loyal to someone who is loyal to Xebec. I still just feel like there are all sorts of hints of Xebec's plans not ending with his "death". I think both Kaido and BB hope to achieve Xebec's goal, which I will describe below:
My theory is that a great number of current "bad guys" (Like Doffy) are laser focused on killing CDs and don't care about what happens after. I think they don't care what happens after because they think the situation is already critically bad. Slaves die of hunger while moving the floor for CDs. Doffy is right.
I also think its possible Xebec would have been a better king of the world than CDs. Sengoku says that Xebec wanted to be a king, but I think he only wanted to make the rules of the world. He wanted to dictate how the world will be (freedom) and then peace out. Luffy wants to be the pirate king. Being king does not always mean being an asshole. Head canon for me is that the world would have been better if Xebec succeeded, even if millions died along the way
When I think about slaves being worked to death so that CDs can have moving floors, I have a hard time disagreeing with characters like Doffy. I think he is totally right. I don't have objections to doing what is necessary to kill the CDs and figuring out what to do after that.
While I do think its totally possible Xebec wanted to rule like the CDs, I am not convinced WB or BM would sign up for that. I think we know enough about their characters to know they wouldn't sign up for that. So just for the record, I don't buy the idea that Xebec was a generic bad guy, but I will say that I think it is possible. I think Kaido's end goal is still hidden. And I think he is executing Xebec's will essentially and that is why he still flies the 8 bone flag.
BM's society, IMO, is like an episode of Star Trek. People sign up voluntarily. They live wonderful lives. They are stuck, yeah, but its hard to see her as evil.
If I may have a bit of a divergence: A lot of bad guys in one piece could also just be kinda autistic in terms of it being too laser focused. BM has major character flaws that make her altruism not go very well.
I truly think Xebec intended to kill all the CDs, kill a ton of innocent people along the way, tell the world he will kill anyone who tries to form a government, then say "Alright fuck you all, bye" and just do his own thing. I think he intended to force the world to be free, so to speak. Kaido and BM wouldn't join otherwise. I think people are missing on vital clues regarding Kaido/BM ethics and what it must have meant if they followed Xebec.
I think BM allied with Kaido because she knows who he is from her time with him on the Rocks pirates. I don't think he just wants the world to burn.
I think WB ended up fundamentally agreeing with Roger. I think its possible WB was willing to kill a bunch of CDs and then got cold feet when he realized all the slaves would die too.
Small side-thought: I think Sengoku's emphasis on the slaves dying shows that Xebec had a way to destroy the red line. I think all the slaves would die because the entirety of marie jois was gonna be in the ocean and I think Xebec had a good way to do that. So just for the record, I think Xebec wanted to destroy the red line and didn't care if everyone else who lived there died.
I'm not convinced Xebec needed to cause any havoc other than destroying the red line and all the slaves dying. Still a huge win in my book and I would press that button if it was put in front of me. But I am not normal in that way.
I think BM has autistic views of deals/justice. A deal is a deal and I think she is incapable of seeing the world any different way. And I think sacrifice for the greater good could be spun as a purity test. She is still a raging maniac at times but I see BM's aspirations as fundamentally good. They are just heavily skewed by the fact that BM is a very flawed person. She makes her good ethics into a bad thing.
Overall I still think what made Xebec such a "bad" guy was his desire to destroy the red line and not minding if every single slave died because of it. Difference of opinion. If we assume that was what was going on, I would have sided with Xebec. FWIW.
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to be fair i dont think theres a single character in op that is genuinely evil. like....psychopathic cold blooded evil. they all have an agenda or motive that drives them and though their methods or perspectives may have been warped they all believe that their version of the world would make for a better place
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Yes, I do agree that Kaido's motives are still unexplored and he has reasons to stick around in Wano. If he just sought out death and grand battles, he would have left ages ago. Right now he is a very one-sided villain, like Crocodile.
However, we still don't really know much about Xebec's motives and why these strong pirates were willing to follow him. To state that Blackbeard is somehow connected to Xebec because of a similar flag is very flimsy to me at least.
I'm also somehow convinced that Big Mom will not be taken down by the Straw Hat alliance. After Kaido is defeated, she will acknowledge Luffy and stop trying to make things even. I feel there's enough redeeming qualities in her character.
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blackbeard’s flagship is the spear of xebec
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On July 26 2021 21:03 herMan wrote:
Yes, I do agree that Kaido's motives are still unexplored and he has reasons to stick around in Wano. If he just sought out death and grand battles, he would have left ages ago. Right now he is a very one-sided villain, like Crocodile.
However, we still don't really know much about Xebec's motives and why these strong pirates were willing to follow him. To state that Blackbeard is somehow connected to Xebec because of a similar flag is very flimsy to me at least.
I'm also somehow convinced that Big Mom will not be taken down by the Straw Hat alliance. After Kaido is defeated, she will acknowledge Luffy and stop trying to make things even. I feel there's enough redeeming qualities in her character.
The fact that Sanji needs to marry Pudding at some point is why I think BM ends up a part of the fleet
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Did you forget that Big Mom arranged a political marriage with the Vinsmokes so she should could backstab the entire family of the Vinsmokes? A deal is not a deal for Big Mom.
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gonna wait for libraryofohara or someone else to explain the significance of the japanese wolf because from a quick google search the makami seems meh.
although overall im glad that yamato hasnt been given a seemingly overpowered mythical creatures power
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Man, Kaido has some serious stamina. First he fought the samurai, then he fought the supernovas, and now he's fighting Yamato. Next, he's gonna fight Luffy again. I wonder how many calories he eats per day to keep that up.
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Blueish Kaido reminds me of Gyarados, especially when he's spitting that beam.
I don't think Sanji is going to actually marry Pudding, at least not before Luffy becomes Pirate King, so I don't think BM's alignment matters. Sanji's very likely going to be there at the end.
Kaido's gotta be exhausted for Luffy to have a shot. With the background to Yamato's fruit it becomes a lot less likely that Yamato joins Luffy though.
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On July 30 2021 21:14 Hyperbola wrote:
Man, Kaido has some serious stamina. First he fought the samurai, then he fought the supernovas, and now he's fighting Yamato. Next, he's gonna fight Luffy again. I wonder how many calories he eats per day to keep that up.
It's the alcohol calories lol
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New chap out. We have a MMA match between Robin and Maria while momo wanna get "ripened"
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If Shinobu an ripe and rot people, then can't she do the very same thing to enemies? She could have just turned Kaido into a weak old man and the scabbards would have sliced him up no problem. There are just so many abilities in One Piece that are completely overpowered if belonged to someone with half a brain.
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I mean, Bonnie can do that too to people. The answer to all OP abilities is they can be resisted with Haki.
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On August 07 2021 00:59 cLutZ wrote:
I mean, Bonnie can do that too to people. The answer to all OP abilities is they can be resisted with Haki.
Can they though? I feel like One Piece is really iffy on the subject. What's a good example of someone actually resisting a fruit's effects by using Haki? The only one I can think of is Vergo, and it ended very poorly for him.
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On August 07 2021 04:34 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2021 00:59 cLutZ wrote:
I mean, Bonnie can do that too to people. The answer to all OP abilities is they can be resisted with Haki. Can they though? I feel like One Piece is really iffy on the subject. What's a good example of someone actually resisting a fruit's effects by using Haki? The only one I can think of is Vergo, and it ended very poorly for him.
Law said he couldn't Room-Shambles Big Mom b/c Haki.
The same has to be true for all the quirky Paramecia fruits like hobby-hobby and age-age, otherwise Sugar and Bonnie would already easily be Yonkos.
Edit: Even Jimbe resisted Big Mom's fruit
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To be fair, Jimbei resisted Big Mom's fruit because it requires there to be some element of fear, and Jimbei aint afraid o' nothin'
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How can robin turn her hands into demons. This is straight up garbage writing. Powers nowadays are like w.e i feel like writint without making a sense.
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On August 08 2021 04:42 Shinokuki wrote:
How can robin turn her hands into demons. This is straight up garbage writing. Powers nowadays are like w.e i feel like writint without making a sense.
Robin can't just form hands, she used a foot in one scene too iirc, so the full body summoning makes some sense. I felt that the main reason that she didn't was that it makes more sense not to.
I agree that the devil part doesn't make sense, but OP powers often don't. Luffy's gears f.e. are utter bs, Sanji can air-jump because he didn't want to get caught by transvestites and Queen apparently transforms his implants when he zoan-transforms.
I think the problem with it is that it doesn't really do anything she couldn't just normally do? Is she more powerful in the devil form or was the only point to continue to throw back at Enel's Lobby?
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Spawning hundreds of small body parts and combining them together into one perfectly smooth big body part? Makes perfect sense. Spawning dozens of arms and turning them into functional human-size wings? I see nothing wrong with that. Spawning hundreds of small body parts and combining them together into a slightly non-human body? Garbage writing, Oda should retire.
On August 08 2021 06:19 Archeon wrote:
I think the problem with it is that it doesn't really do anything she couldn't just normally do? Is she more powerful in the devil form or was the only point to continue to throw back at Enel's Lobby?
Well it allowed her to apply a choke hold on an 8 meter tall opponent so there's that.
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