EPTThis doesn't really send out a good signal to other countries that are supposedly protected by the WG. Imagine, if somebody attacked a NATO country and the US would not do anything about it since the attacking country had some dirt or other piece of leverage on them.
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herMan
Japan2056 Posts
This doesn't really send out a good signal to other countries that are supposedly protected by the WG. Imagine, if somebody attacked a NATO country and the US would not do anything about it since the attacking country had some dirt or other piece of leverage on them. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On May 09 2021 17:13 herMan wrote: It's a bit wacky that because the OP world is a world of superhumans, a handful of individuals can overthrow entire countries. Same thing with HxH and the spider tattoo guys. I agree on what Hyperbola said, in this kind of world you need to have your own powerful individuals as a country to maintain peace. The marines don't care nearly as much they should when Wano or Dressrosa falls into pirate hands. This doesn't really send out a good signal to other countries that are supposedly protected by the WG. Imagine, if somebody attacked a NATO country and the US would not do anything about it since the attacking country had some dirt or other piece of leverage on them. Not that I disagree that power is everything in One Piece, but Wano wasn't part of the WGO and Dressrosa was taken over by one of their members technically (a Shishibukai pirate crew). Which is why in Wano their secret service is active and after Dressrosa being the second incident of a Shishibukai taking over a WGO country they abandoned the system. IIRC NATO has no special rules against warfare between member states, which was a hot topic during the escalating tensions between Greece and Turkey. So yeah. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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herMan
Japan2056 Posts
On May 10 2021 07:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Eh, you are all talking like as if throughout real life history, power hasn't always been with the strong and it is that power that everything that decide the fates of countries. The only difference was that strength and power wasn't expressed as the physical combat power of a single individual. I don't know how you got that assumption. The reason I talked about NATO was to make a point about the US as a world police. But I do agree with what you're saying. In the end it's a bit strange for WG to be this only police outfit for the world, since they have nowhere near the resources to do it effectively. What I would have liked to see more in One Piece was bounty hunters. Those wanted posters seem a bit moot when pirates are taken down by either marines or other pirates. | ||
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Archeon
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Zorro was originally a bounty hunter and I have no idea if Mihawk really is a pirate. But yeah nothing really happened with that element since long ago and the wanted posters are more or less powerlevel scouters. On the topic of world police in OP: The WG is simply the largest federation of countries and with the exception of the Shishibukai incidents they seem to be somewhat capable of protecting their member nations from what I've seen. A lot of the incidents Luffy had to solve were internal (Wapol), corruption based (Don Krieg, Arlong) or outside of their jurisdiction (Yonko arcs, Skypeia). | ||
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sharkie
Austria18625 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 10 2021 18:49 Archeon wrote: On the topic of world police in OP: The WG is simply the largest federation of countries and with the exception of the Shishibukai incidents they seem to be somewhat capable of protecting their member nations from what I've seen. A lot of the incidents Luffy had to solve were internal (Wapol), corruption based (Don Krieg, Arlong) or outside of their jurisdiction (Yonko arcs, Skypeia). I mean, those are only the incidents Luffy and his crew interacted with, which is a lot for 1 crew in 3 years! Consider the other WG failures we know about more or less even though the Straw hats weren't directly involved: 1. Leaving fishman island out to dry so Whitebeard had to "claim" it as protection. 2. Letting Germa conquer most the countries in the North Blue 3. 8 other supernova crews making it all the way to Sabody. A lot of incidents had to have happened for them to all get 100+ bounties. 4. Garp had to make Goa his own protectorate because it was getting raided all the time. 5. Kano kingdom had to farm out its protection to the Don Chinjao pirate family. And that is just stuff that definitely has come up. The WG is powerful when it has assembled its forces, like at Marineford, but it doesn't have enough powerful combatants to protect its member countries very well it seems. | ||
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herMan
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
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LennX
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Luffy getting offed off screen after getting hyped last week. LOL | ||
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arcane1129
United States271 Posts
But what happens now with both Luffy and Zoro down? | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On May 15 2021 01:43 arcane1129 wrote: I'm actually glad Luffy got KO'd and that Kaido made the comment about Luffy getting overconfident in his new technique. It'd be pretty dumb if Luffy could 1v1 the supposed #1 1v1 fighter just because he learned a new technique on the spot that his opponent has probably had mastered for decades. We haven't even gotten to Luffy's DF awakening yet. But what happens now with both Luffy and Zoro down? I mean tbf Kaido tanked pretty much everything so far. It isn't really a 1v1 when you gang up on the guy with 3 people and then after a while say it's now time to 1v1. Luffy went down a couple of times, but the one thing he has going for him has always been stamina. So I would have been fine with a Katakuri ending where both get extremely exhausted and Luffy is left standing. There aren't a ton of enemies that can realistically fight him that aren't Yonko level. Luffy will have to get saved, he's dropping into the ocean. And yeah Nami's "fight" was underwhelming, but it looks like Zeus is either not going to make it or going back to Nami (more likely). There is a possibility that Oda resets. Not a very high one, but like you say, the people who could take Kaido down are out of the picture for a while, Kaido still seems to be fresh and I expect BM to beat the crap out of Kid. Overall this has been an uphill battle even before the supernovas basically got bodied. With Luffy falling off I could imagine the supernovas getting captured, some of the SHs escaping and Luffy getting washed up somewhere followed by a training arc. Alternatively someone catches Luffy, he rests a bit and has a second go at Kaido similarly to how it happened with Crocodile a bunch of times. There aren't a ton of people who could catch him though and most of them are occupied (Sanji, Marco). There's a chance he gets caught by an outsider like Tenguyama (the Tengu smith) since Tama is there, but idk how much of a comeback that would really enable unless that outsider is powerful enough to give Luffy guidance and take out some big shots/stall BM. He could get reinforcements from the SH fleet, not sure what they are doing right now. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
Also, in regards to One Piece being over when Kaido goes down, you're forgetting that we still have Blackbeard, Akainu, and possibly Imu as endgame enemies. Blackbeard is almost certainly going to be stronger than Kaido, and Akainu will also be roughly at that level since he did manage to take down Whitebeard. Imu (if he's a fighter) will have centuries of experience to draw upon if he's truly immortal as the fan theories believe. He also probably has some broken power from the Ancient Kingdom days. | ||
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herMan
Japan2056 Posts
Also judging from the translations, Kaido doesn't seem to count himself as human, which is very interesting. It would also make sense for him to be utterly ruthless, if he's a different species it makes more sense for him to not give a shit about people. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 16 2021 00:11 herMan wrote: I sure hope this Imu person doesn't fight and exists to give some sort of important background knowledge etc. Also judging from the translations, Kaido doesn't seem to count himself as human, which is very interesting. It would also make sense for him to be utterly ruthless, if he's a different species it makes more sense for him to not give a shit about people. Kaido is an Oni whatever that means I think. Its like an ogre or something. Plus, obvi this is Luffy 4D chess, he heard the VOAT of some actual ancient dragons and is divebombing to hitch a ride on them. Now he's gonna launch haki-infused boro breaths of his own. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
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cLutZ
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Archeon
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On the flipside the "big brother/uncle" type of guy often has to die to make room for the MC to grow. Marineford is the point where Luffy stops being a small adventurer and starts to become more of a player himself. We see this f.e. when he claims Fishman Island or plans long term to oppose Kaido. I'm not sure I wanted Luffy to grow though, I think OP is better as a low power scaling adventure story. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8842 Posts
it would be fine if in between these arcs there was still time for just sh crew things and we got a taste of the old elements back but the pacing now doesnt allow for the crew to be goofing around in between arcs even. | ||
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