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On November 29 2020 07:49 Sentenal wrote:
Its entirely possible that Onigashima is actually just one really huge chunk of granite or something, and hes instead just lifting that one very big rock. A mountain like that exists IRL near where I live, called Stone Mountain, and is really just a really huge rock that runs 9 miles underground, and there are other instances of such mountains across the world. So instead of cutting away at the earth to lift a mountain, its lifting a rock and everything that is sitting on it.
Um...no? A "chunk" of granite being an igneous rock, will be an utterly massive layer of rock. Whatever your mountian is, that's likely just the tip. There is nothing to lift. You have to cut.
On November 29 2020 15:04 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 03:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 28 2020 00:33 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 27 2020 22:44 Hyperbola wrote:How the fuck is Kaido lifting the island? It's attached to the rest of the earth. In fact it's shaped like a mountain: + Show Spoiler +If Kaido was able to cut an island-sized cross section with his fire clouds without even breaking a sweat then why doesn't he use that attack more often? He could literally have just annihilated all of the scabbards with one spell. i dont think he "cut" the island. hes just literally lifting the earth beneath it out of its foundations. also probably doesnt use the attack for the same reason why whitebeard didnt immediately just start destroying marineford? too much collateral damage that cannot be controlled That's not how geography works. Islands are just hills/mountains that are higher than sea level. You very much have to cut or destroy rock to lift an island in the same way you have to cut rock to lift a mountain. You can't grab a mountain and lift it, as a mountain is just the tip of planetary crust. Of course One Piece is a fantasy world, but nothing indicates that sea islands are any different from what we know in real life. what makes you think just because its an island it doesnt mean it could be lifted out of the crust of the earth (world)? the last frame definitely doesnt look like kaido cut the island parallel to the earth (worlds) crust. any geotechnical engineer will tell you the crust is made up of a lot of different compositions of soil and rock and the strength of the foundation is different at any point and depth. if you were to apply enough upward force at the right point its not hard to imagine that an island or mountain could be pulled out of its foundations; the strength of the foundation would just have to be weaker than the mountain itself. a similar analogy would be the difference between pulling off the top of a weed and pulling the weed out at its roots. what matters is where you apply the force
Any geotechnical engineer you say... says the guy who doesn't understand that mountains do not have foundations in the sense that there is soil underneath them. It's rock all the way down to the mantle. There is no soil under a mountain for the vast majority of mountains and certainly not any on an island since it'll erode away being underwater.
Sorry, I just have to laugh at that pulling weed analogy, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Btw rock tends to have poor specific tensile strength, so a mass of any rock of that size will fall apart if "pulled" upwards.
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On November 30 2020 06:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 07:49 Sentenal wrote:
Its entirely possible that Onigashima is actually just one really huge chunk of granite or something, and hes instead just lifting that one very big rock. A mountain like that exists IRL near where I live, called Stone Mountain, and is really just a really huge rock that runs 9 miles underground, and there are other instances of such mountains across the world. So instead of cutting away at the earth to lift a mountain, its lifting a rock and everything that is sitting on it. Um...no? A "chunk" of granite being an igneous rock, will be an utterly massive layer of rock. Whatever your mountian is, that's likely just the tip. There is nothing to lift. You have to cut.
Yeah, its the tip of an utterly massive rock, thats why its a mountain. But its still one rock. Just gotta pick it up with super dragon powers.
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You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
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On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga.
no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could.
thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously
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^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart.
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On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart.
already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage
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On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage But that is exactly what Whitebeard tried to do. The damage was only contained because Aokiji stopped the tsunami that threatened to cover marineford, and he had no problems punching heads of giants creating fissures in the skulls. Meanwhile Kaido appears to be able to cut rock at a distance with some precision, but doesn't use it for anything but to fly in dragon form when he is doing his shenlong impression. And apparently to make a sky island. Luffy should be happy. Sky islands are real!
On November 30 2020 11:06 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga. no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could. thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously
Godzilla can't break the roof of a car by lifting the roof. The roof will stay attached to the car. The structure of cars are strong enough to be held by their roofs without tearing off otherwise whenever there is a car crash the roofs will just fly off. Godzilla will have to physically use his talons to rip the bonds of metal apart to rip the roof off. This is what you don't seem to get.
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On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage
I think Whitebeard was more responsible with his powers in general. He cared about every one of his crew members and would not suffer unnecessary collateral damage. Kaido and his inner circle have shown an utter disregard if not contempt for the fodder of their crew. If Whitebeard had the personality of Kaido then he would probably have sunk Marineford like Blackbeard wanted to do.
Actually, now that I think about it, what if Marineford was Kaido vs. the Marines? Let's say Yamato was defeated by Blackbeard and to be executed instead of Ace. Let's also assume Kaido cares enough about his daughter to attack Marineford straight on. He's still enemies with Big Mom so there's no chance of an alliance, he has to do it himself. Who would win in that scenario?
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I remember postuling 11 years ago that D's meaning was Democracy and the old Kingdom was in fact a democracy destroyed by a cast or sth along the lines.
I stopped reading since a very long time for various reasons (I actually don't think it is a good manga but whatever), however, I am still a bit curious if I am right or not.
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United States97276 Posts
Stands for deez nutz obviously. I think the prevailing theory I’ve seen lately is “Dawn” because the word has been dropped a lot lately in the manga
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Austria24417 Posts
I saw someone speculate that it stands for Devil. Which would make sense with the "god's natural enemy" thing and the existence of devil's fruits. But Oda does what he wants anyway so no point speculating really.
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On December 01 2020 02:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage But that is exactly what Whitebeard tried to do. The damage was only contained because Aokiji stopped the tsunami that threatened to cover marineford, and he had no problems punching heads of giants creating fissures in the skulls. Meanwhile Kaido appears to be able to cut rock at a distance with some precision, but doesn't use it for anything but to fly in dragon form when he is doing his shenlong impression. And apparently to make a sky island. Luffy should be happy. Sky islands are real! Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 11:06 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga. no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could. thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously Godzilla can't break the roof of a car by lifting the roof. The roof will stay attached to the car. The structure of cars are strong enough to be held by their roofs without tearing off otherwise whenever there is a car crash the roofs will just fly off. Godzilla will have to physically use his talons to rip the bonds of metal apart to rip the roof off. This is what you don't seem to get.
If the car was firmly a part of the ground though, he'd rip the roof off
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On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
Can you pull a carrot out of the ground by lifting its stem? If someone was buried and only their hand was sticking out of the ground, could you pull them out?
Its like Mario 2, and Kaido is Mario, and Onigashima is those turnips hes pulling out of the ground
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On December 04 2020 10:00 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2020 02:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage But that is exactly what Whitebeard tried to do. The damage was only contained because Aokiji stopped the tsunami that threatened to cover marineford, and he had no problems punching heads of giants creating fissures in the skulls. Meanwhile Kaido appears to be able to cut rock at a distance with some precision, but doesn't use it for anything but to fly in dragon form when he is doing his shenlong impression. And apparently to make a sky island. Luffy should be happy. Sky islands are real! On November 30 2020 11:06 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga. no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could. thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously Godzilla can't break the roof of a car by lifting the roof. The roof will stay attached to the car. The structure of cars are strong enough to be held by their roofs without tearing off otherwise whenever there is a car crash the roofs will just fly off. Godzilla will have to physically use his talons to rip the bonds of metal apart to rip the roof off. This is what you don't seem to get. If the car was firmly a part of the ground though, he'd rip the roof off
i was gonna make this point but i couldnt be bothered debating it any further. dmcd doesnt seem to understand that a strong force can break a large object
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Austria24417 Posts
Can't believe I'm getting involved in this "what is an island" debate, but the flames Kaido uses make dragons fly. They beat gravity and lift things. That's what he's doing to the island. He's lifting it so hard it gets ripped out of the ground.
Now whether that's reasonable or not is a different matter but you may remember this is a fantasy story with a rubber human as its protagonist. And we also just got the first glimpse of this new ability so we're working with very limited information.
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On December 04 2020 10:00 Zambrah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2020 02:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage But that is exactly what Whitebeard tried to do. The damage was only contained because Aokiji stopped the tsunami that threatened to cover marineford, and he had no problems punching heads of giants creating fissures in the skulls. Meanwhile Kaido appears to be able to cut rock at a distance with some precision, but doesn't use it for anything but to fly in dragon form when he is doing his shenlong impression. And apparently to make a sky island. Luffy should be happy. Sky islands are real! Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 11:06 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga. no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could. thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously Godzilla can't break the roof of a car by lifting the roof. The roof will stay attached to the car. The structure of cars are strong enough to be held by their roofs without tearing off otherwise whenever there is a car crash the roofs will just fly off. Godzilla will have to physically use his talons to rip the bonds of metal apart to rip the roof off. This is what you don't seem to get. If the car was firmly a part of the ground though, he'd rip the roof off
Still has to insert his talons in somewhere.On December 04 2020 15:59 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
Can you pull a carrot out of the ground by lifting its stem? If someone was buried and only their hand was sticking out of the ground, could you pull them out? Its like Mario 2, and Kaido is Mario, and Onigashima is those turnips hes pulling out of the ground See, this is the problem. You are substituting game/cartoon logic for real life.
I know you don't garden because you actually can't pull carrots out by the stems, unless they are like tiny carrots or you growing them in a very carefully prepared medium because carrots aren't the perfect shapes you get in Mario or whatever you are imagining, they have roots everywhere. Carrots and turnips in real life don't look like what you get in games. Supermarket carrots are already cleaned off the roots. You are very likely to just have the stems rip off leaving the carrots in the ground and it's backbreaking to try to pull anything. Like most root vegtables, when harvesting time comes, you are better off sticking the tines of your fork in the soil and lifting the vegetables off the ground along with the soil that they are anchored to.
As for someone buried in the ground with their hand sticking out, I don't know. I'll need some practical experience for that one. Maybe you can try that out for yourself and tell me.
On December 04 2020 17:09 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2020 10:00 Zambrah wrote:On December 01 2020 02:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 01 2020 00:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 23:07 Archeon wrote:
^which is in line with his argument, if Kaido can rip or cut a whole mountain peak off with his clouds why wouldn't he utilize those as a weapon. It's not 'just' lifting stuff off, it's tearing tons of stone apart. already responded to this when hyperbola asked it. same reason why whitebeard didnt just immediately start punching the air to create fissures at marineford? uncontrollable amount of collateral damage But that is exactly what Whitebeard tried to do. The damage was only contained because Aokiji stopped the tsunami that threatened to cover marineford, and he had no problems punching heads of giants creating fissures in the skulls. Meanwhile Kaido appears to be able to cut rock at a distance with some precision, but doesn't use it for anything but to fly in dragon form when he is doing his shenlong impression. And apparently to make a sky island. Luffy should be happy. Sky islands are real! On November 30 2020 11:06 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 30 2020 06:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You still don't get it. Can you pick up the corner tip of a table and it comes right off? Can you lift the roof of a nonconvertable car off? Can you lift the bezel off a modern smartphone? You can't pick it up because it isn't detachable in the first place. You can only do those things if you cut or destroy the parts underneath the area you want to lift.
It doesn't matter since One Piece is a fantasy world with fantasy powers and Oda can write and draw whatever he likes, but your preconception that a mountain sits on a detachable bed of soil is oh so very wrong.
your problem is youre equating human strength and scenarios to the manga. no shit a human isnt going to break the roof of a car off, but i bet you if fucking godzilla had a shot he could. thats the whole point of kaido lifting the island. hes strong enough to break whatever rock/foundation/whatever you want to argue holds the island down and lift the whole damn thing. its not that difficult to comprehend seriously Godzilla can't break the roof of a car by lifting the roof. The roof will stay attached to the car. The structure of cars are strong enough to be held by their roofs without tearing off otherwise whenever there is a car crash the roofs will just fly off. Godzilla will have to physically use his talons to rip the bonds of metal apart to rip the roof off. This is what you don't seem to get. If the car was firmly a part of the ground though, he'd rip the roof off i was gonna make this point but i couldnt be bothered debating it any further. dmcd doesnt seem to understand that a strong force can break a large object I'vm an engineer, I know all about forces thank you very much. Look at the picture. The gases are under the island. Assume the gas is a force. How did they get there? How are they applied to be there? An island is just the highest part of a very large structure, so in order for gases to be able to lift from under, it needs to be able to cut into rock to be under the piece of rock now seen, to lift it.
On December 04 2020 19:24 Olli wrote:
Can't believe I'm getting involved in this "what is an island" debate, but the flames Kaido uses make dragons fly. They beat gravity and lift things. That's what he's doing to the island. He's lifting it so hard it gets ripped out of the ground. You guys seem to think an island is a rock floating in water. This is not what an island is.
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On December 05 2020 01:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
See, this is the problem. You are substituting game/cartoon logic for real life.
Are you really giving me shit for using cartoon logic for a god damn manga?
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I'm educating you for free for applying cartoon logic to real life. Talking about pulling carrots in Mario? I've grown and harvested carrots. Hence cartoon logic meets reality. One Piece is a world where we accept people have supernatural powers. However nothing indicates that in One Piece, you can pull carrots up by their stems to my recollection.
Oda has clearly drawn the island being lifted from underneath, so I don't know why you are talking about pulling anyways. You are applying not only Mario turnip pulling logic to real life but imagining something that is the opposite of what is being depicted. In One Piece nothing indicates that islands are rocks floating on water and so can be lifted underneath by gases without having to cut into the rock that is the island.
Though we have Sky Islands made out of clouds so there's that I suppose.
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On December 05 2020 02:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I'm educating you for free for applying cartoon logic to real life. Talking about pulling carrots in Mario? I've grown and harvested carrots. Hence cartoon logic meets reality. One Piece is a world where we accept people have supernatural powers. However nothing indicates that in One Piece, you can pull carrots up by their stems to my recollection.
Oda has clearly drawn the island being lifted from underneath, so I don't know why you are talking about pulling anyways. You are applying not only Mario turnip pulling logic to real life but imagining something that is the opposite of what is being depicted. In One Piece nothing indicates that islands are rocks floating on water and so can be lifted underneath by gases without having to cut into the rock that is the island.
Though we have Sky Islands made out of clouds so there's that I suppose.
Kaido is lifing Onigashima in real life??? Woah....
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Imagine using cartoon logic to try to persuade others that a fantasy situation occurs in real life? Woah...
You are seriously arguing that you saw something in a cartoon/game so it must be real in real life. Some people might had learnt that islands don't float on water, or sit on soil, that carrots and turnips can't be lifted by their roots, that some preconceptions do not reflect reality and might try to think what other preconceptions also do not reflect reality. You however just keep going. I wonder what else you will say next.
If something is written in One Piece and something is unrealistic and you thought otherwise, but is wrong, just accept it. Don't double down and start writing about how you can pull carrots out by their stems because you can lift turnips in Mario by their stems. It's OK if Mario lets you pull turnips out by their stems. It's not OK to argue this is real life. It's OK if something unrealistic occurs in the fantasy world One Piece.
What's not ok is to double down on ignorance and insist that fantasy world logic applies to real life. In real life islands are not rocks floating on water.
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