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On September 03 2016 07:06 Makro wrote:
i don't know why but i have the feeling the vinsmoke family won't comply to big mom and they are gonna try something during the tea party
i find hard that they are gonna agree to be vassal
Yeah. I think they use the excuse of a wedding to be able to bring their best fighters (their family members) right next to Big Mom.
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On September 03 2016 07:06 Makro wrote:
i don't know why but i have the feeling the vinsmoke family won't comply to big mom and they are gonna try something during the tea party
i find hard that they are gonna agree to be vassal
probably sanji's ticket out of this mess
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adding that mirror thing where they can potentially reach the château, we can forsee something
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On September 03 2016 07:06 Makro wrote:
i don't know why but i have the feeling the vinsmoke family won't comply to big mom and they are gonna try something during the tea party
i find hard that they are gonna agree to be vassal
It's an alliance though not a vassal ship like Capone's crew. This is something the Vinsmoke family agreed to so they could get power from Big Mom's crew. Though it might seem weird they need help to conquer North Blue when all the pre-Grand Line oceans are weak it's probably to hold onto it because if an ocean area is taken over at least an Admiral will be sent. Yonko's on the other hand are so strong the Marine's don't pick a fight with unless they are absolutely prepared. The only reason to betray Big Mom would be if their the goal the entire time was to betray Big Mom, but what would the Vinsmokes gain by trying to kill a Yonko?
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I agree that the Vinsmokes becoming allies against Big Mom seems strange right now. However, the Straw Hats need a third party to help the fight against her because right now they are hopelessly outnumbered.
Maybe Big Mom and Luffy won't end up fighting each other and something else happens, who knows. Right now there's still a possibility of backing out with Sanji
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On September 04 2016 00:58 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 07:06 Makro wrote:
i don't know why but i have the feeling the vinsmoke family won't comply to big mom and they are gonna try something during the tea party
i find hard that they are gonna agree to be vassal It's an alliance though not a vassal ship like Capone's crew. This is something the Vinsmoke family agreed to so they could get power from Big Mom's crew. Though it might seem weird they need help to conquer North Blue when all the pre-Grand Line oceans are weak it's probably to hold onto it because if an ocean area is taken over at least an Admiral will be sent. Yonko's on the other hand are so strong the Marine's don't pick a fight with unless they are absolutely prepared. The only reason to betray Big Mom would be if their the goal the entire time was to betray Big Mom, but what would the Vinsmokes gain by trying to kill a Yonko?
Obviously the Grand Line is the strongest Ocean, but all we know about the strength about the other Oceans is that East Blue is the weakest. It is well within the possibility that North Blue is a very strong Ocean.
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Grand Line's first part is called "paradise" because the New World part is so hellish. Luffy didn't fight everyone in Grand Line part 1, but most of the enemies he fought shouldn't stand a chance vs Vinsmokes family. Obviously there is a lot of unknown with these oceans we will never see, but I think it's strongly implied most of the strong Pirates/Marines go to Grand Line for adventure/job opportunities. There could be a strong country or bandit group stopping Vinsmokes, but the easier explanation is they aren't strong enough to have the Marines be afraid of them like the Yonko.
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Aren't they royals recognized by the WG? Why would they be afraid of the marines. It's likely there is some rival kingdom that has some decent strength there.
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On September 04 2016 05:00 Slaughter wrote:
Aren't they royals recognized by the WG? Why would they be afraid of the marines. It's likely there is some rival kingdom that has some decent strength there.
Yeah they are official royals with the right to go to Reverie, but considering the fact that they're the main villains in that Marine propaganda comic means that they aren't too popular with the World Government. Also they used to rule over all of North Blue, and mean to do so again, so every single kingdom in North Blue would probably fight them if they came back.
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On September 04 2016 04:28 BlackMagister wrote:
Grand Line's first part is called "paradise" because the New World part is so hellish. Luffy didn't fight everyone in Grand Line part 1, but most of the enemies he fought shouldn't stand a chance vs Vinsmokes family. Obviously there is a lot of unknown with these oceans we will never see, but I think it's strongly implied most of the strong Pirates/Marines go to Grand Line for adventure/job opportunities. There could be a strong country or bandit group stopping Vinsmokes, but the easier explanation is they aren't strong enough to have the Marines be afraid of them like the Yonko.
A good deal of them, but not all. We already know of strong pirates that chill out in seas outside of the Grand Line. We have seen people like Shanks and Mihawk in East Blue, and Doflamingo's crew was based in North Blue for an extended time before they moved to Dressrosa. There could be countless possible reasons why the Vinsmokes can't conquer North Blue alone.
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On September 04 2016 05:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 05:00 Slaughter wrote:
Aren't they royals recognized by the WG? Why would they be afraid of the marines. It's likely there is some rival kingdom that has some decent strength there. Yeah they are official royals with the right to go to Reverie, but considering the fact that they're the main villains in that Marine propaganda comic means that they aren't too popular with the World Government. Also they used to rule over all of North Blue, and mean to do so again, so every single kingdom in North Blue would probably fight them if they came back.
Yea I can see that. They lost control over the other kingdoms in the North Blue and don't have the strength to take control again.
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dont forget pekoms was "silenced" by fortress guy without big mom knowing about it, at least Pekoms was acting like fortress would be in trouble if big mom did know so there definently is a conspiracy going on
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On September 04 2016 17:38 Forikorder wrote:
dont forget pekoms was "silenced" by fortress guy without big mom knowing about it, at least Pekoms was acting like fortress would be in trouble if big mom did know so there definently is a conspiracy going on
Yeah, this might actually go into a three or four way fiasco or something.
I could very well see BM getting knocked out this arc. There's always the prevalent threat that she can apparently take out a bunch of people who Sanji knew in the past (what happens when you refuse a tea party).
It's possible that she doesn't though. I don't know, it could go either way and that is what's so good about One Piece compared to other stories, really.
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I still think there will be a Kaido vs Big Mom war.
Also Luffy is going to be defeated by cracker.
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I don't think Luffy is gonna be defeated, I think hes gonna land a single weak blow on Cracker and it's gonna knock him right the fuck out. He mentions he can't stand even the tiniest amount of pain, so hes probably gonna nail Cracker once and voila victory. I don't know any other reason for Cracker to not only announce his weakness, but announce that his weakness is a pretty damn severe weakness.
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I'd like Cracker to be actually knocked out by a weak blow, but doubt that would happen if Donflamingo is anything to go by. DD is a manipulation user who fights with string both attacking and defense plus he can control other peopled even make really strong clones of himself and a seemingly indestructible bird cage.
So to balance it out he shouldn't be strong physically yet DD can only be damaged by strong blows around Gear 3 strength with Gear 2 blows and Sanji's kicks doing almost no damage to him. Even when DD got brutally mauled by Gear 4 it took another Gear 4 to actually knock him out. To me it's insane that DD is as durable as fighting characters like Luffy yet has a tricky and strong DF power. I wouldn't be surprised if Cracker was also durable even though he puppet ability though not to the same degree as DD.
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Well he may very well be incredibly durable, he very likely is, but if he really is hyper sensitive to pain he might be KO'ed by a solid punch. His body would be fine and all, but he'd be knocked unconscious from the pain. DD is a hard point of comparison imo, because while he was the last major guy Luffy beat, he definitely had a TON of assistance, I think it unlikely he'd win in a standard 1v1 scenario without all of DD's prior injuries and all of the running interference from the gladiators and all of that stuff. I think it'd be fair to assume DD is still stronger than Cracker, he might be up there with Jack, he is a bit of a monster after all.
Thats really the only way I see him beating Cracker, but who knows, maybe he WON'T win. 
I doubt it though, if other Supernova are competing with Big Mom's Lt.s then I think Luffy just HAS to.
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Cracker will get knocked out by a pot-shot from Nami.
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Cracker can still wrap himself in haki which is the strongest Luffy has faced. If he was really that worried about pain he would have just made himself another armor set when he made the clones.
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On September 04 2016 00:58 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 07:06 Makro wrote:
i don't know why but i have the feeling the vinsmoke family won't comply to big mom and they are gonna try something during the tea party
i find hard that they are gonna agree to be vassal It's an alliance though not a vassal ship like Capone's crew. This is something the Vinsmoke family agreed to so they could get power from Big Mom's crew. Though it might seem weird they need help to conquer North Blue when all the pre-Grand Line oceans are weak it's probably to hold onto it because if an ocean area is taken over at least an Admiral will be sent. Yonko's on the other hand are so strong the Marine's don't pick a fight with unless they are absolutely prepared. The only reason to betray Big Mom would be if their the goal the entire time was to betray Big Mom, but what would the Vinsmokes gain by trying to kill a Yonko?
Actually a lot could be gained from killing Big Mom. The Vinsmoke could be working for another Yonko or even the navy and they agree to help Vinsmoke conquer North Blue. The wedding could just be a cover like someone said to get close to Big Mom and kill her. Considering that Luffy crew befriended one of Big Mom daughter and have received her vivre card, it seems like the end result of this whole thing is that Luffy crew befriend Big Mom crew.
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