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I agree with Sent. If luffy would use against semi weaker opponents like that headbatting dude or even just against Bellamy. For opponents as strong as Vergo and Doflamingo it wouldn't make sense for him not to coat himself haki.
Although i'm very certain that Sanji has Armament confirmed by alot (from Oda to characters like Luffy, Law etc)
IIRC there was an SBS a while back where Oda was asked what each of the monsterous trio specialized in. Luffy specialized in Conquerors, Zoro in Armament, and Sanji in Observation.
Yeah Oda did say that.
Remember when Kizaru and Aokiji fought against Whitebeard. They didn't exactly go man to man but instead exploited their ability to dodge and speed (for aokiji when Manipulating his ice body to form around the haki-embedded spear of Whitebeard instead of getting hit by it and turning into ice when he got clobbered by the range tremor attack ; for kizaru's case he used his speed outmanuvered and kept spamming lazers when whitebeard was trying tp do something) when they both faced Whitebeard, in contrast to akainu who went blow for blow against whitebeard, just blocked attacks and taking attacks instead of dodging.
We could say Sanji is similar to that , he relies on speed and mobility against opponents compared to Luffy who brawls (well luffy is very tricky opponent he exploits his range alot and he is also very mobile ) and zoro generally just fights you face to face no excuses which is similar to akainu.
And Vergo and Doflamingo may not just be the appropriate opponents against him.
I think another sign why Sanji is weaker than Luffy/Zoro is that he's the only one from the 3 that got heartswapped, well luffy and zoro wasn't there we already know that Haki can somehow block some DF's ability. (confirmed by law, vergo and doflamingo during punk hazard as well as luffy against monet ) but that's just my speculation.
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On November 23 2015 19:17 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 15:01 BlackMagister wrote:
Being weaker than Vergo and DD doesn't make you weak in itself, but Sanji got injured against both of them when they weren't yet using their full strength. Oda could have shown Sanji's potential by making him use his speed and superior mobility to dodge DD, but he didn't. If Sanji's strength is observation haki he should be like the skypia warriors shouting "mantra" and predicting attacks all the time, but Sanji got hit by a basic swipe from DD then got webbed. Sanji has not shown any hint he can fight in the New World leagues yet. It's side material, implied stuff and hope. We need to actually see something in this arc. neither was sanji, and he only got a "scratch" from vergo it wasnt a serious injury
Vergo broke his Sanji's leg when they kicked each other.
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On November 23 2015 19:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 19:17 Forikorder wrote:On November 23 2015 15:01 BlackMagister wrote:
Being weaker than Vergo and DD doesn't make you weak in itself, but Sanji got injured against both of them when they weren't yet using their full strength. Oda could have shown Sanji's potential by making him use his speed and superior mobility to dodge DD, but he didn't. If Sanji's strength is observation haki he should be like the skypia warriors shouting "mantra" and predicting attacks all the time, but Sanji got hit by a basic swipe from DD then got webbed. Sanji has not shown any hint he can fight in the New World leagues yet. It's side material, implied stuff and hope. We need to actually see something in this arc. neither was sanji, and he only got a "scratch" from vergo it wasnt a serious injury Vergo broke his Sanji's leg when they kicked each other.
ne he cracked it, he could still use his leg just fine with a bit of pain
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On November 23 2015 20:41 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 19:54 Elentos wrote:On November 23 2015 19:17 Forikorder wrote:On November 23 2015 15:01 BlackMagister wrote:
Being weaker than Vergo and DD doesn't make you weak in itself, but Sanji got injured against both of them when they weren't yet using their full strength. Oda could have shown Sanji's potential by making him use his speed and superior mobility to dodge DD, but he didn't. If Sanji's strength is observation haki he should be like the skypia warriors shouting "mantra" and predicting attacks all the time, but Sanji got hit by a basic swipe from DD then got webbed. Sanji has not shown any hint he can fight in the New World leagues yet. It's side material, implied stuff and hope. We need to actually see something in this arc. neither was sanji, and he only got a "scratch" from vergo it wasnt a serious injury Vergo broke his Sanji's leg when they kicked each other. ne he cracked it, he could still use his leg just fine with a bit of pain
When people say someone broke their leg they normally include fracturing as well.
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Goody whether Sanji used haki in those fights or not doesn't change the outcome. If he didn't use armament haki why not? If he did use armament haki why did he still get injured? If he specializes in observation haki and speed why does he not dodge attacks? Sanji should not be getting his main weapon, his legs, injured from clashing just like Zoro shouldn't get his swords broken or cracked hence the Mihawk lecture flashback. If Sanji has weaker armament haki he should fight like it and not go head to head. Though if diable is Sanji's strongest attack then he will have trouble against DD strong enemies who can just shrug off gear 2 strength blows.
Sanji may have been always a bit weaker than Zoro and Luffy, but he has never felt a tier below them like he does in the New World.
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Eh to me the outcome of the brief clash between vergo and sanji was to show that Vergo was clearly a cut above. No need to have Sanji's legs (which symbolize his power) crack otherwise except to explicitly tell the reader in an indirect way that Sanji would lose a full engagement.
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Idk he's still the third strongest SH member and he still been at least able to stand up against Doflamingo and Vergo(even Mingo admitted he was a strong one) even if it didn't go well against them.
Besides Doflamingo isn't just somebody he's like almost admiral level good (even if he will likely lose to them in a fight eventually, at least he's able to stand up against those dudes similar to WB higher ups like Diamond Jozu and Marco). And luffy had difficulty in defeating the dude, i don't really see how Sanji should do better against him when Luffy had to blow everything he had and even combo'd with Law at one point.
Luffy also kinda had a rough start against doflamingo with the strings and shit iirc. I feel like things like underestimation is a thing, they've lose to opponents like Caesar cause they didn't rip him apart immediately before. Iirc when Vergo he fractured his leg but it wasn't really like a total beatdown even after injuring himself he still fought against vergo.
Okay level fighters(like tashigi and a bunch of the Colosseum dudes) would've flopped against those Vergo or Doflamingo easily.
Having observation haki against somebody who has it as well may not matter much. There are also some cases where somebody who has observation haki still gets hit by the better and/or faster opponent (for example luffy vs one of Boa Hancock's sister who had observation haki when luffy didn't back then ; another would be since rebecca likely has observation haki and a really good one since she's the only one who dodge Hakuba who ripped everybody on that stadium but still she was stopped by a luffy who was eating lunch lol).
Although i really feel like Sanji isn't that bad but the gap is different back in pre-timeskip with him and luffy/zoro
I'm leaning abit more like what slaughter says but i do believe Sanji isn't completely useless like he could probably buy time and distract strong opponents although he'd probably really lose against the likes of Vergo/Doffy in full fight like zoro/luffy wouldn't.
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stop getting triggered by Forikorder.
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On November 24 2015 00:00 FruitsPunchSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 20:41 Forikorder wrote:On November 23 2015 19:54 Elentos wrote:On November 23 2015 19:17 Forikorder wrote:On November 23 2015 15:01 BlackMagister wrote:
Being weaker than Vergo and DD doesn't make you weak in itself, but Sanji got injured against both of them when they weren't yet using their full strength. Oda could have shown Sanji's potential by making him use his speed and superior mobility to dodge DD, but he didn't. If Sanji's strength is observation haki he should be like the skypia warriors shouting "mantra" and predicting attacks all the time, but Sanji got hit by a basic swipe from DD then got webbed. Sanji has not shown any hint he can fight in the New World leagues yet. It's side material, implied stuff and hope. We need to actually see something in this arc. neither was sanji, and he only got a "scratch" from vergo it wasnt a serious injury Vergo broke his Sanji's leg when they kicked each other. ne he cracked it, he could still use his leg just fine with a bit of pain When people say someone broke their leg they normally include fracturing as well.
normally sure, because normally noone gives a fuck about that level of accuracy
Sanjis leg wasnt broken, it didnt even slow him down he was still fully capable of fighting at 100%
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Normally a fractured leg would be a super big deal for normal people, but clearly Sanji is not normal. It most certainly did affect his performance, but still with the fractured leg, he was able to kick the air hard enough to fly with it.
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On November 24 2015 12:12 Sentenal wrote:
Normally a fractured leg would be a super big deal for normal people, but clearly Sanji is not normal. It most certainly did affect his performance, but still with the fractured leg, he was able to kick the air hard enough to fly with it.
normally having someone stab you right through your chest and toss you in a sand pit would mean immediate death lol
as long as the limb is still attached its not a serious injury in OP-verse
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There is no break this week, right?
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On November 26 2015 17:50 ExChill wrote:
There is no break this week, right?
Nope, no break. But I read somewhere that we'll have to wait longer for the scans in the future because a bunch of people got arrested.
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there is a disturbance in the force now
though i read somewhere that apparently we were getting chapters before the actual japanese
that's just not acceptable
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On November 27 2015 03:44 Incognoto wrote:
there is a disturbance in the force now
though i read somewhere that apparently we were getting chapters before the actual japanese
that's just not acceptable
We were. We got them on Thurdays, the japanese would only getting it on shelves in the next monday.
Also remember that there was a time that we got the chapters on Tuesday, almost a week before the magazines went to the shelves.
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Which is pretty damn insane.
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What I didn't realize that. So what, are we not gonna have til Sunday western time?
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There is a HUGE disturbance in the force. My whole life needs to be rebalanced. Let me recover.
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EPT
