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ShurykaN
United States338 Posts
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:27 sertas wrote: i dont get why the admiral isnt seen anywhere, isnt it pretty fucking obvious that he should be stopping dofla? or at least attempting it. Dofla is trying to genocide the population and earlier in this arc he said it was so important to protect the people yet he is nowhere to be found? Did he get knocked out and i missed it somewere? His ambition is to have the Shichibukai dissolved, not just to have Doflamingo unseated. So he doesn't act and lets Doflamingo rampage. He probably believes that Luffy and co. will succeed or that he still has time to take action if they fail. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 22 2015 05:50 Sentenal wrote: Its completely possible that Burgess has been using Haki the entire time. Using Haki doesn't mean you will always hit a Logia no matter what. We saw that first hand at Marineford, when Macro and co. attacked the Admirals, doing things like impaling them or cutting Akainu's head off, with the Admirals responding with something like "Haki users? How annoying..." id be disapointed if someone can use a logia fruit for 10 minutes and be able to negate haki already | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 22 2015 13:13 Sentenal wrote: It probably has something to do with Sabo's haki itself. Like if Sabo's Haki is stronger than his attackers, his Haki can let his fruit keep its abilities. Or something. that... might be it actually, Luffy could ignore Doflas kicks while in poundman even when he used haki | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 22 2015 05:50 Sentenal wrote: Its completely possible that Burgess has been using Haki the entire time. Using Haki doesn't mean you will always hit a Logia no matter what. We saw that first hand at Marineford, when Macro and co. attacked the Admirals, doing things like impaling them or cutting Akainu's head off, with the Admirals responding with something like "Haki users? How annoying..." True that. The thing with logia user is that their bodies will 'auto dodge' if the incoming attack is physical (non haki) and thats why we have been told that noob logia users easily get killed once they arrived the new world because haki users are not too rare there; while advanced logia users can manually activate elemental form to dodge any incoming attacks. But we also saw situation like when kizaru was stopped by shank's first mate dude we can safely assume that kizaru must be quite awared of his attack/speed and accuracy that even advanced logia user like kizaru can't even dodge it. Such balance oda. Is not the most balanced system ever but it is reasonably convincing | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:45 rei wrote: Mingo obviously have haki imbued into his birdcage for zoro to not able to cut them easily with haki imbued swords. Which means he had been spending ungodly amount of haki to maintain the birdcage while defeated both luffy and law. He's not the fastest, since luffy can hit him easily, but the volume and strength of haki he can spend is just way above luffy considering the surface area of the birdcage he has to coat with haki and maintain for whole time. Even if luffy managed to stay away from Mingo for 4 more minutes, what he can do to mingo with haki that he hasn't already done. Mingo would just keep blocking with face till luffy falls over again. one way i see them beat Mingo is to have someone cut off a pieces of the seastone from the factory and have Usopp shoot the shit out of Mingo to stop him. I just assumed that dofla is at the borderline of his stamina now, oda didn't let luffy defeat dofla right there just so we don't get another generic boss fight and we get to see the characters do something and the 3 mins countdown is pushing for a higher climatic moment | ||
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sharkie
Austria18648 Posts
Just none of them will interfere with Luffy's battle obviously. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:45 rei wrote: Mingo obviously have haki imbued into his birdcage for zoro to not able to cut them easily with haki imbued swords. Which means he had been spending ungodly amount of haki to maintain the birdcage while defeated both luffy and law. He's not the fastest, since luffy can hit him easily, but the volume and strength of haki he can spend is just way above luffy considering the surface area of the birdcage he has to coat with haki and maintain for whole time. Even if luffy managed to stay away from Mingo for 4 more minutes, what he can do to mingo with haki that he hasn't already done. Mingo would just keep blocking with face till luffy falls over again. one way i see them beat Mingo is to have someone cut off a pieces of the seastone from the factory and have Usopp shoot the shit out of Mingo to stop him. Doffy is already half dead after he got beat up by Luffy in G4. He didn't have much left. He even stated himself that he had no energy to waste on weaklings. He is really pushing his limit atm. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 22 2015 20:02 Wildmoon wrote: Doffy is already half dead after he got beat up by Luffy in G4. He didn't have much left. He even stated himself that he had no energy to waste on weaklings. He is really pushing his limit atm. Ambiguous. I read 2 versions. One said what you stated. The other basically said "I don't even need to have energy left to get rid of weaklings like you." | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Fi0na
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On May 23 2015 00:24 rei wrote: What's the purpose of the Birdcage? Why would someone about to fall over keep the birdcage up and keep his haki active on the birdcage? Shouldn't he be saving his strength? Why would he want to force all the bigshots closer to him with the birdcage, surely he knows what's ganna happen if he keeps closing the birdcage. The only building that's not breaking is the factory and it will move toward him along with everybody else in every other direction. Think about it, that was his plan all along from the beginning. What is the only place people can survive inside the birdcage? that's right the factory. Now can you guys see what his plan was all along? He had everything plan out to the last details when he deployed the birdcage Mingo is very cunning in his plan, to be defeated in combat has never entered his mind at all, and that includes an admiral that he's trapping, he's far from his last leg. He wins if everybody is forced inside the factory. I don't think it was his goal to put everyone inside the factory. It was just a tool Oda used for more people to be able to "fight" the cage. If next chapter wasn't about everyone in Dressrossa fighting against the cage to give Luffy 1-2 more minutes I'd be very surprised. Also I always imagined the Bird Cage like some sort of energy build up by Doflamingo over quite some time. You now, just like a lava person could store a ton of lava in a mountain and then release it from the mountain with little to no effort required Doflamingo could have set up the Bird Cage beforehand and pumped enough haki and energy or whatever into it (or build it in a self-constricting way) such that he would only have to spend a very small amount of focus and energy on it during the closing of the cage. But no matter what the case is, I find the entire string theory very silly and am glad once this arc is finally done. Fire and cutting should be super effective against strings by the way. Also the fact that Luffy could still be beaten by a child once he falls into a poddle of sea water is a bit - yeah. Apparently all you need to dominate the wold is a water gun [sarcasm detected]. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
Also I hope Oda doesn't go the dragon ball z Frieza fight style, I mean I trust Oda enough not to but this set up has all the potential for it. "5 minutes until planet blows up/ city destroyed." Five chapters later "2 Minutes until planet blows up/city is destroyed." 3 chapters later "One minute" Maybe I'm looking at this overly negative because this arc has dragged on forever and now I just kind of want to see it's conclusion but really DD should have been rekt ages ago, the birdcage should have been destroyed. Don't get me wrong though I love this arc, it has been amazing but to me it's well past its expiry date by now. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I find the birdcage a seriously bad plot device at this point. A no effort kill everything move that DD doesn't need to pay any attention to control. And strings strong enough to stop Zoro, not to mention the reason the factory isn't breaking is because it's made out of sea stone right? So why in the fuck isn't that sea stone negating the devil fruit strings on contact? Basically everything about the birdcage is pretty much bull shit at this point to me. Also I hope Oda doesn't go the dragon ball z Frieza fight style, I mean I trust Oda enough not to but this set up has all the potential for it. "5 minutes until planet blows up/ city destroyed." Five chapters later "2 Minutes until planet blows up/city is destroyed." 3 chapters later "One minute" Maybe I'm looking at this overly negative because this arc has dragged on forever and now I just kind of want to see it's conclusion but really DD should have been rekt ages ago, the birdcage should have been destroyed. Don't get me wrong though I love this arc, it has been amazing but to me it's well past its expiry date by now. seastone negates devil fruit users but so far we have no reason to think that seastone negates the abilites if a fruit user enters the sea or touchs seastone they become useless but the things they make hasnt really been shownt o have that weakness | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:24 rei wrote: What's the purpose of the Birdcage? Why would someone about to fall over keep the birdcage up and keep his haki active on the birdcage? Shouldn't he be saving his strength? Why would he want to force all the bigshots closer to him with the birdcage, surely he knows what's ganna happen if it. He keeps closing the birdcage. The only building that's not breaking is the factory and it will move toward him along with everybody else in every other direction. Think about it, that was his plan all along from the beginning. What is the only place people can survive inside the birdcage? that's right the factory. Now can you guys see what his plan was all along? He had everything plan out to the last details when he deployed the birdcage Mingo is very cunning in his plan, to be defeated in combat has never entered his mind at all, and that includes an admiral that he's trapping, he's far from his last leg. He wins if everybody is forced inside the factory. Honestly I would like to see dofla be an actual evil genius or he planned the whole thing similar to what you said there but it is very unlikely now by the looks of it, somehow he gets so damn hot headed in this arc, law/luffy made him so mad. I'm going to accept that dofla and co. didn't expect all of these to happen so they didn't prepare well and birdcage is just being the last resort of whatever emergency situation. SH literally just arrived to the island half a day ago rofl in the actual storyline | ||
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