EPTReally a fantastic movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it
funny, interesting, and overall just a great movie~Bill Murray is super awesome :D
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Really a fantastic movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it funny, interesting, and overall just a great movie~Bill Murray is super awesome :D | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:07 Gene wrote: I finally watched Inception again, and it was definitely better the second time now that I get whats happening. And while the last half hour of The Cabin in the Woods was really fucking cool, I was disappointed over all. I actually really really disliked Inception. I feel it was probably the most overrated movie of recent years, next to Avatar. They try to obfuscate a relatively simple story to make it appear to be more than it is. It has the philosophy of a ninth grade stoner and most of the dialogue is pretty boring, when it comes down to it. Plus the action was quite a let down, and I feel like the story had so many holes. Plus they really hardly explored the ideas of dreams at all. I mean, really, how many people have had dreams like what they had in the movie? There was so much potential that they just totally fucked up. I really resent Inception :< | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On September 27 2012 12:55 CyDe wrote: I actually really really disliked Inception. I feel it was probably the most overrated movie of recent years, next to Avatar. They try to obfuscate a relatively simple story to make it appear to be more than it is. It has the philosophy of a ninth grade stoner and most of the dialogue is pretty boring, when it comes down to it. Plus the action was quite a let down, and I feel like the story had so many holes. Plus they really hardly explored the ideas of dreams at all. I mean, really, how many people have had dreams like what they had in the movie? There was so much potential that they just totally fucked up. I really resent Inception :< your telling me this fight scene wasnt incredible? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On September 27 2012 13:40 WniO wrote: your telling me this fight scene wasnt incredible? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTgdLgazq-E I mean, that's actually the one scene that I thought was cool. The rest I didn't like. | ||
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LazySCV
United States2942 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17267 Posts
On September 27 2012 13:44 CyDe wrote: I mean, that's actually the one scene that I thought was cool. The rest I didn't like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_a_Lifetime This might explain why you felt the story was simpler than it should... And it wasn't the only thing: http://www.cracked.com/article_19021_5-amazing-things-invented-by-donald-duck-seriously.html | ||
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lordofsoup
United States159 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On September 27 2012 12:55 CyDe wrote: I actually really really disliked Inception. I feel it was probably the most overrated movie of recent years, next to Avatar. They try to obfuscate a relatively simple story to make it appear to be more than it is. It has the philosophy of a ninth grade stoner and most of the dialogue is pretty boring, when it comes down to it. Plus the action was quite a let down, and I feel like the story had so many holes. Plus they really hardly explored the ideas of dreams at all. I mean, really, how many people have had dreams like what they had in the movie? There was so much potential that they just totally fucked up. I really resent Inception :< I love simple stories interestingly told though, I don't understand why so many people seem to demand every movie be some sort of twisting and turning saga. Story, story, story, story, more story, I find the obsession really perplexing, especially when so many permutations of convoluted stories even have been done at this point, having a type of movie focus on how it's told, what it visually does, etc. is great. That's why Avatar is spectacular and almost fully works for me, it's purpose is to draw you into a sensory experience so you understand events that way, build a perspective that way, rather than tell a story conventionally engaging mainly the analytic mind, and it's really gone about in a totally new, lovingly crafted way (although the concept is anything but new, the whole "magic of movies" was a main draw back in the very beginning of movies). Inception does very cool things visually too that mesh well with its dream theme and ideas, so I like it for that. Although yeah I could never accuse Inception of having deep thoughts or spectacular dialogue, and I don't think it's something great cause it does try to engage you in an analytic kind of way and doesn't really stand up totally well in that sense. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
www.imdb.com/title/tt0249241/ While the story is very open and mysterious, and I'm not really sure to have really understood it, this is really well-filmed. In terms of directing its best scenes are on par (bu completely different) with let's say the best scenes of Citizen Kane. If you like Tarkovski I advise it to you, as its very slow rythm won't bother you. And lol at defending Nolan by saying story doesnn't matter that much, as its entire cinema is based on twists and cheap scenario ideas and he has shot on scene worth anything visually (the opening scene of Memento)... The irony... | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 27 2012 12:55 CyDe wrote: I actually really really disliked Inception. I feel it was probably the most overrated movie of recent years, next to Avatar. They try to obfuscate a relatively simple story to make it appear to be more than it is. It has the philosophy of a ninth grade stoner and most of the dialogue is pretty boring, when it comes down to it. Plus the action was quite a let down, and I feel like the story had so many holes. Plus they really hardly explored the ideas of dreams at all. I mean, really, how many people have had dreams like what they had in the movie? There was so much potential that they just totally fucked up. I really resent Inception :< Agreed, it was just bad, Will Self called it "a smart film for stupid people". Unlike The Matrix or Dark City, films Inception borrows hugely from, the philosophy and overall concept within the film was weak and lacked substance, and its attempts to be smart just came off as desperate and needless obfuscation. And yeah there were a lot of holes in the story, which is forgivable for a standard action flick but this film was hyped as some intelligence thriller. | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:18 ZapRoffo wrote: I love simple stories interestingly told though, I don't understand why so many people seem to demand every movie be some sort of twisting and turning saga. Story, story, story, story, more story, I find the obsession really perplexing, especially when so many permutations of convoluted stories even have been done at this point, having a type of movie focus on how it's told, what it visually does, etc. is great. That's why Avatar is spectacular and almost fully works for me, it's purpose is to draw you into a sensory experience so you understand events that way, build a perspective that way, rather than tell a story conventionally engaging mainly the analytic mind, and it's really gone about in a totally new, lovingly crafted way (although the concept is anything but new, the whole "magic of movies" was a main draw back in the very beginning of movies). Inception does very cool things visually too that mesh well with its dream theme and ideas, so I like it for that. Although yeah I could never accuse Inception of having deep thoughts or spectacular dialogue, and I don't think it's something great cause it does try to engage you in an analytic kind of way and doesn't really stand up totally well in that sense. I just feel like it had the guise of being a smart film, by just making it confusing, but if you actually understand the story without all the bullshit, it's so obvious it's nothing particularly special. And I'm not saying every story needs to be super complex and have twists. I mean, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Twelve Angry Men" and that is as simple a story gets, really. Incidentally, I hated Avatar. Pocahontas 2.0. Not original, completely banking of the visual effects, just such a flat movie. I have a thing against James Cameron. On September 27 2012 14:56 Manit0u wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_a_Lifetime This might explain why you felt the story was simpler than it should... And it wasn't the only thing: http://www.cracked.com/article_19021_5-amazing-things-invented-by-donald-duck-seriously.html Ha, wow. I never knew that. Though one time I was reading a Terry Pratchett book and there was this part with these creatures that put you into dreams. There was the idea of dream within a dream, and stealing dreams, and dying in dreams that were all incredibly similar to Inception, but predated it by I think 9 years. On September 28 2012 00:31 mememolly wrote: Agreed, it was just bad, Will Self called it "a smart film for stupid people". Unlike The Matrix or Dark City, films Inception borrows hugely from, the philosophy and overall concept within the film was weak and lacked substance, and its attempts to be smart just came off as desperate and needless obfuscation. And yeah there were a lot of holes in the story, which is forgivable for a standard action flick but this film was hyped as some intelligence thriller. Exactly. I hated when people compared it to the Matrix, because the Matrix is chock full of true philosophy, has consistently intriguing dialogue (not tons of boring shit about his wife), is actually complex so it doesn't need to obfuscate, and has scenes that actually redefined action movies for years. Even now. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:21 corumjhaelen wrote: http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq157/belialtn/WerckmeisterHarmonies.jpg www.imdb.com/title/tt0249241/ While the story is very open and mysterious, and I'm not really sure to have really understood it, this is really well-filmed. In terms of directing its best scenes are on par (bu completely different) with let's say the best scenes of Citizen Kane. If you like Tarkovski I advise it to you, as its very slow rythm won't bother you. And lol at defending Nolan by saying story doesnn't matter that much, as its entire cinema is based on twists and cheap scenario ideas and he has shot on scene worth anything visually (the opening scene of Memento)... The irony... OK I agree, not necessarily the best launching point for that argument since Nolan's trying to be smart and clever storywise and doesn't really bring it off, but I still think he's visually inventive enough in a blockbuster context (no not as much as The Matrix) to get some enjoyment as long as it works thematically. | ||
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brian
United States9619 Posts
It is literally the same plot of many hit movies except with more imagination than most And in light of the last post, potentially less imagination than I thought  | ||
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United States9619 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On September 27 2012 08:47 CyDe wrote: .... One thing that I really loved in Reservoir Dogs was the scene that reminisces back to A Clockwork Orange, where + Show Spoiler + the cop is getting tortured. I like this scene because it contains heavy, brutal violence accompanied by happy/ energetic music. I mean jesus fucking christ is that powerful or what? Seeing someone get cut like that and have the cutter be dancing? Nothing emphasizes fucked-up more than that. There's a similar scene in American Psycho where + Show Spoiler + the anti-hero kills that man in his apartment, while talking about pop music (sorry I can't remember names) And speaking of A Clockwork Orange... ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DnZDTpurNAA/S-Ocu47uOGI/AAAAAAAAALE/CUw6paeTBhg/s1600/clockwork-orange2.jpg) This movie. This movie, man. There are no words. Brilliantly filmed, brilliantly written, absolute GENIUS by Stanley Kubrick. I mean, even TODAY the rape scene is shocking. Think about that in 1971, holy shit. And again, it started that whole style of brutal violence accompanied by happy music that is so off putting (See: Reservoir Dogs, American Psycho). This movie is truly iconic. I mean, Alex DeLarge is like the classic anti hero. He is like the incarnate of evil, but slowly and subtly you kind of start to root for him, in a twisted way. And then it ends on such a note, so... foreboding. ...... That Reservoir Dogs scene was so creepy and excruciating. Honestly, my relief when that scene was over was some of the greatest relief I've ever felt in a movie. My enmity towards that character + Show Spoiler + Mr Blonde Mr Orange shot Mr Blonde On topic of A Clockwork Orange, I've never seen the movie but I've read the book, with the intended ending, not the American ending pre-1986. In the end of the book, after a few years have passed and Alex has matured, "Alex sees the error of his ways, decides he has lost all energy for and thrill from violence and resolves to turn his life around". I'm quoting from wikipedia cause I'm too lazy to describe it myself, and they did a well enough job. I looked up the ending to the movie, and was displeased to find it followed the American ending, and not Anthony Burgess's original ending, which makes me kind of disappointed and reluctant to see the movie. It really grind my gears that the final, and most pivotal, scene from the book is abandoned for the film. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On September 28 2012 02:12 ZapRoffo wrote: OK I agree, not necessarily the best launching point for that argument since Nolan's trying to be smart and clever storywise and doesn't really bring it off, but I still think he's visually inventive enough in a blockbuster context (no not as much as The Matrix) to get some enjoyment as long as it works thematically. I don't really see what are the new things Nolan brings among blockbuster apart from his convoluted plots with hours of boring dialogue :-( (I'm being a bit caricatural here, but still) Also, someone still thinks The Matrix has interesting dialogue and makes good philosophical points ? The Matrix shines through its action scenes, which are really well made even though they are not really goundbreaking. I personnally think the blockbuster from the 80s/90s were of overall better quality, even though a few from the 2000s shine among mediocrity (Unbreakable comes to mind). | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On September 28 2012 04:57 itkovian wrote: That Reservoir Dogs scene was so creepy and excruciating. Honestly, my relief when that scene was over was some of the greatest relief I've ever felt in a movie. My enmity towards that character + Show Spoiler + Mr Blonde Mr Orange shot Mr Blonde On topic of A Clockwork Orange, I've never seen the movie but I've read the book, with the intended ending, not the American ending pre-1986. In the end of the book, after a few years have passed and Alex has matured, "Alex sees the error of his ways, decides he has lost all energy for and thrill from violence and resolves to turn his life around". I'm quoting from wikipedia cause I'm too lazy to describe it myself, and they did a well enough job. I looked up the ending to the movie, and was displeased to find it followed the American ending, and not Anthony Burgess's original ending, which makes me kind of disappointed and reluctant to see the movie. It really grind my gears that the final, and most pivotal, scene from the book is abandoned for the film. Actually personally I prefer the way that the movie ended. I like foreboding, sad, or just generally unhappy endings, and I felt it was way more realistic. It certainly sent a much different message than the movie did, but I feel that message is just as if not more worthy of admiration (and I don't mean like admiration in the sense of "Oh let me go and do what Alex did.") | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17267 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.nickutopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Ice-Age-4-Continental-Drift-Movie-Poster.jpg) Ice Age 4: Continental Drift T_T I guess there's been so many animations now that they all turn towards mediocrity. I loved every single moment of Peter Dinklage in this one though. The man is a beast. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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