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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
They married in private, but showing up with a wife isn't exactly secretive. Robb's army is obviously aware of him having a non-Frey wife and I think it's supposed to be assumed that Walder Frey's forces left Robb when he broke his vow, which is why he needs to get them back. Though I don't really remember anything being said about them leaving. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On May 06 2013 03:46 revoN wrote: Wasn't it implied that Frey's men may have left Robb's forces the day he married that foreigner girl? Just by common sense you can assume they did, but the show did a fairly poor job of showing it. Infact, if you really think about there is no reason whatsoever for Robb to go to the Freys if he wants to attack Castlely Rock, the Freys aren't a military power house and the men they gave him were hardly a balance changer, what made them so important was the position of their castle which was needed to access the south. Since Robb is planning to attack west he doesn't really need them. In other words, the show writers dun goofed. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:25 CrimsonLotus wrote: Just by common sense you can assume they did, but the show did a fairly poor job of showing it. Infact, if you really think about there is no reason whatsoever for Robb to go to the Freys if he wants to attack Castlely Rock, the Freys aren't a military power house and the men they gave him were hardly a balance changer, what made them so important was the position of their castle which was needed to access the south. Since Robb is planning to attack west he doesn't really need them. In other words, the show writers dun goofed. Robb wont gain the upper hand from adding the Frey men to his side but 4000 men (was mentioned in S01E09) is nothing to ignore and is probably worthwhile the march back to the Freys. Episode preview spoiler: + Show Spoiler + Edit: And by judging the preview it doesnt seem like Robb is even marching there. It seems like he is negotiating with some Frey sons about the agreement. | ||
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Hier
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PerryHooter
Sweden268 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:25 CrimsonLotus wrote: Just by common sense you can assume they did, but the show did a fairly poor job of showing it. Infact, if you really think about there is no reason whatsoever for Robb to go to the Freys if he wants to attack Castlely Rock, the Freys aren't a military power house and the men they gave him were hardly a balance changer, what made them so important was the position of their castle which was needed to access the south. Since Robb is planning to attack west he doesn't really need them. In other words, the show writers dun goofed. It's not enough to tip the balance in the war as a whole no, but it's enough to take casterly rock, or at least that's what he implied in the last episode. Exactly how he is going to convince Frey, and what he's planning to do after claiming casterly rock isn't revealed, but it seemed like he had a plan. In other words we were left with a cliff hanger. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
The quote im referring to is something along those lines: "We can just walk up to their gates and tell them we want to cross, we have 5 times their numbers." That was before any fight happened and a fifth of the 20000 men the Starks had at the time is 4000 men. I guess you would have to subtract the 400 that stayed at the Frey castle which still leaves 3600 men that joined the Starks and (maybe/most likely) left when he married the foreign girl. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
That said, this last episode Rob clearly said that Walder Frey has an army large enough for his purposes, so yeah, I guess that means they are a military powerhouse. They said Walder is a proud man, but there are a few ways they might convince him to help. Offering him Casterly Rock is one possible route, another might be to promise any of Robb's children to marry one of his descendants. I guess the real question is: can Walder Frey trust any offer King Robb makes, after being deceived (even if unintentionally)? If he decides he can't trust Robb, no promise Robb makes will suffice. Maybe Robb could give him Harrenhall, since Roose Bolton's forces (under Robb's command) hold it now. Technically he could order Frey to do it, since he is Frey's king (Riverrun is sworn to the king in the North), but I doubt he'd be willing to follow that command, and he can't afford a battle. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:19 PerryHooter wrote: It's not enough to tip the balance in the war as a whole no, but it's enough to take casterly rock, or at least that's what he implied in the last episode. Exactly how he is going to convince Frey, and what he's planning to do after claiming casterly rock isn't revealed, but it seemed like he had a plan. In other words we were left with a cliff hanger. I think he will end up marrying the girl he was supposed to marry when he asked the Freys permission to pass the bridge. There's nothing besides that I presume. And to be honest from what we saw from them during Season 1 I would say they couldn't care less about Casterly Rock. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:16 Hier wrote: Pretty sure it was 400, not 4000. And it really isn't safe to assume the Frey men left. In fact, they probably did not. I doubt Walder told everyone of the details of his agreement with Robb. Why wouldn't they leave?, they are Frey men and I'm sure Walder was royally pissed when Robb basically humilliated him by marrying another girl and breaking the deal. He simply sends a raven or a messenger and tells them to get their asses back. Also, I don't think the exact number of men they give to Robb is ever mentioned, neither in show or books, but they are not a major house. I would be surprised if it even was something like 1500. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:24 duoform wrote: I think he will end up marrying the girl he was supposed to marry when he asked the Freys permission to pass the bridge. There's nothing besides that I presume. And to be honest from what we saw from them during Season 1 I would say they couldn't care less about Casterly Rock. No one who wants anything at all would turn down Casterly Rock if offered it, Casterly Rock is the key to the greatest source of wealth in Westeros. There's a reason the Lannister's are so absurdly rich, they own the gold mines of Casterly Rock. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:24 duoform wrote: I think he will end up marrying the girl he was supposed to marry when he asked the Freys permission to pass the bridge. There's nothing besides that I presume. And to be honest from what we saw from them during Season 1 I would say they couldn't care less about Casterly Rock. You think Robb's going to become a polygamist? I admit I don't know much about the lore beyond what we've been told in the show, but I would think that would heavily compromise his beliefs, not to mention his image. And he's not going to divorce current wifey. He'll probably need to figure out something else. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:27 Whitewing wrote: No one who wants anything at all would turn down Casterly Rock if offered it, Casterly Rock is the key to the greatest source of wealth in Westeros. There's a reason the Lannister's are so absurdly rich, they own the gold mines of Casterly Rock. At this point, without Karstark's army I don't even think they could take Casterly Rock. Like I said before, if the Freys are not happy with Robb it will be easier for them to betray Robb and sell him to the Lannister than joining him again. At least in a logical way of seeing it. What other options would the Freys have? It's really hard to see a solution to it because Robb could also "easily" take The Twins with his army but lose even more man (considering of course that Walder Frey's army is actually that small). | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11111 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:36 duoform wrote: At this point, without Karstark's army I don't even think they could take Casterly Rock. Like I said before, if the Freys are not happy with Robb it will be easier for them to betray Robb and sell him to the Lannister than joining him again. At least in a logical way of seeing it. What other options would the Freys have? It's really hard to see a solution to it because Robb could also "easily" take The Twins with his army but lose even more man (considering of course that Walder Frey's army is actually that small). Why would he want to take Casterly Rock? What he wants to do is muck up Tywin's logistics. Admittedly this would have worked much better while the Baratheons were still in the field but Robb can still destroy Tywin's mining operations and force the lord to defend his lands. Don't forget he has to deal with the loss of his "capital". That's part of the merit of heading north. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:25 CrimsonLotus wrote: Why wouldn't they leave?, they are Frey men and I'm sure Walder was royally pissed when Robb basically humilliated him by marrying another girl and breaking the deal. He simply sends a raven or a messenger and tells them to get their asses back. Also, I don't think the exact number of men they give to Robb is ever mentioned, neither in show or books, but they are not a major house. I would be surprised if it even was something like 1500. You are assuming way too much. Also, the exact number of combatants Frey had in his castles when Robb first arrived at the twins is mentioned, but is irrelevant. Frey gave him all but 400. Whether Robb still has them is guesswork. | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
The initial troops might have been just what he had right there at the castle when Robb was passing. It's totally possible Frey could raise more with more time. We have virtually zero information what happened with the Freys that went with Robb. It is likely they went home, but it is never mentioned. It would make more sense that they went home given that Robb want to go back to Frey and get him back into his alliance, but still the show doesn't say anything about it. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On May 04 2013 12:36 Kalingingsong wrote: perhaps you are also exceedingly tall? lol I am... 6'7" but tall chicks are usually a turn off for me. It's weird being really tall and then meeting someone else I don't have to look down at, it's just wierd. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:48 Zooper31 wrote: I am... 6'7" but tall chicks are usually a turn off for me. It's weird being really tall and then meeting someone else I don't have to look down at, it's just wierd. How many 6'4+ women have you met? I love tall women, and I've only met a handful.  | ||
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