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On June 17 2011 16:54 kerr0r wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 16:37 Xapti wrote:On June 17 2011 14:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 17 2011 14:23 Nevuk wrote:
I think Sansa is lawful evil. She just seems to always try and do whatever she thinks would benefit herself the most within the system she lives in. IDK, doing things for yourself isn't necessarily evil. I definitely agree that she's Lawful though. As far as I remember my DnD alignments, selfishness and selflessness are the main factors deciding good and evil. Overall I think the show didn't really reveal enough information about her to deliver a good verdict of alignment. Caring for one's father couldn't really be considered selfless though, IMO. + Show Spoiler +Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.
Evil implies harming, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient or if it can be set up. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some malevolent deity or master.
People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.
Making Sansa lawful neutral. Also, the Hound is most certainly evil. Ep. 2: Ned: The butcher's boy. You rode him down. Hound: He ran. But not very fast.
It's not like the Hound was present when the events transpired. All he had was his employer's word against a random 10 year old child's word..
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After 3 days I have seen all 9 episodes now. Epic! Are there more episodes to come or is season 1 done?
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One more in this season. Anyone know when the next season starts though? Trying to decide if I should wait or if I should get the ah... Um... Bad word. (books)
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On June 17 2011 18:17 kerr0r wrote:
One more in this season. Anyone know when the next season starts though? Trying to decide if I should wait or if I should get the ah... Um... Bad word. (books)
Probably around april 2012
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On June 17 2011 18:17 kerr0r wrote:
One more in this season. Anyone know when the next season starts though? Trying to decide if I should wait or if I should get the ah... Um... Bad word. (books)
Next year around the same time this season did.
10 episodes per season, once a week = 2.5 month runtime.
9.5 month downtime between seasons.
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I dont know if i will be able to wait 10 months for another season this show is simply amazing. Season two is going to be amazing, i am excited see some of our characters evolve into more fearsome protagonists.
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On June 17 2011 11:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:41 Cylon wrote:On June 17 2011 08:40 Babaganoush wrote:
How exactly do I feel about Tyrion?
On one hand, he's part of the Lannisters, the House I so greatly despise...
On the other hand, he seems like he's just a guy who gets picked on all the time by his own family...
I don't know if he's evil.. good.. or whatever.
If you were putting it in a spectrum, Ned Stark was obviously "Lawful Good" but what of Tyrion? Chaotic neutral. This was interesting to me, so I went ahead and started listing all the characters (all according to the show) by alignment lol Lawful Good: Ned, Robb, Jon, Sansa?, Barristan Neutral Good: Catelyn, Renly?, Bran?, Daenerys? Chaotic Good: Arya, Robert? Lawful Neutral: Stannis, the Hound? True Neutral: Varys, Tyrion? Chaotic Neutral: Jaime, Theon?, Bronn? Lawful Evil: Tywin, Joffrey Neutral Evil: Cersei, Littlefinger Chaotic Evil: Viserys, the Mountain
One of the reasons this series is good is exactly because you can't put the characters into categories like that. Except for a very few, they are too dynamic and dimensioned. Tyrion especially is not possible to place in that system.
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Tyrion is a Neutral Good Rogue IMO  He intervened to protect Cat when they were attacked by bandits.
In seriousness though one of the great things about this show is how much grey area there is with the characters, but I do feel like Tyrion is one of the 'good' characters. Ned was one of the few truly honourable characters and it cost him his life.
Joffrey so far is the only dislikeable character with absolutely no redeeming qualities IMO. He's both cruel and stupid, he executed Ned Stark purely out of spite, and I feel someone who actually had any clue how to play the 'game of thrones' most likely wouldnt have done that.
I watched the first episode again the other day and Ned Starks execution of the deserter is more poignant in retrospect, particularly when he tells his son that "the man who gives the sentance should swing the sword", emphasizing the differences between him and someone like Joffrey.
I've never read the books but with each episode I become more convinced that this is the best thing I've ever seen on TV. I've read a lot of other fantasy novels and I feel like I'm seeing all of them come to life in Game of Thrones.
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I think the DnD system of personalities is just bad, I've never liked it. You shoudn't use it to classify complex characters.
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On June 17 2011 22:22 freelander wrote:
I think the DnD system of personalities is just bad, I've never liked it. You shoudn't use it to classify complex characters.
True
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On June 17 2011 22:31 Spitfire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 22:22 freelander wrote:
I think the DnD system of personalities is just bad, I've never liked it. You shoudn't use it to classify complex characters. True
False.
Taken from a D&D compedinium:
Quite willing to fight if needed to, quite strong and sturdy. Among other qualities is gifted with agility, wisdom and a sharp intellect and wit.
Prefer to fight defensively, usually hiding and launching ranged attacks as the foe approaches. Places emphasis on cover and concealment and less on mobility.
Tell me who does this describes? :D
I'll tell you. It describes "The Mountain"
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On June 17 2011 22:51 tertos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 22:31 Spitfire wrote:On June 17 2011 22:22 freelander wrote:
I think the DnD system of personalities is just bad, I've never liked it. You shoudn't use it to classify complex characters. True False. Taken from a D&D compedinium: Quite willing to fight if needed to, quite strong and sturdy. Among other qualities is gifted with agility, wisdom and a sharp intellect and wit. Prefer to fight defensively, usually hiding and launching ranged attacks as the foe approaches. Places emphasis on cover and concealment and less on mobility. Tell me who does this describes? :D I'll tell you. It describes "The Mountain"
ehh I wouldn't really call Gregor intelligent or witty, and his fighting style is really offensive with his big ass swordreach
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For those that don't Joffrey:
[Mod edit: please stop reposting the same gif 500 times thanks!]
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from http://www.winter-is-coming.net:
Season two filming to start July 25
For the record, this is nearly the exact same date that they began filming season one (that started on July 26th). Same start date plus same amount of episodes means that we should expect a season two premiere around the same time as well. April 15th, 2012 looks good to me.
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Tyrion should definitely be neutral good. Why else would he do things like help Bran and Jon Snow?
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Pretty sure the mod disclaimer is going to reach a full page...and people are still going to post book spoilers. They're like lemmings.
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On June 17 2011 11:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:41 Cylon wrote:On June 17 2011 08:40 Babaganoush wrote:
How exactly do I feel about Tyrion?
On one hand, he's part of the Lannisters, the House I so greatly despise...
On the other hand, he seems like he's just a guy who gets picked on all the time by his own family...
I don't know if he's evil.. good.. or whatever.
If you were putting it in a spectrum, Ned Stark was obviously "Lawful Good" but what of Tyrion? Chaotic neutral. This was interesting to me, so I went ahead and started listing all the characters (all according to the show) by alignment lol Lawful Good: Ned, Robb, Jon, Sansa?, Barristan Neutral Good: Catelyn, Renly?, Bran?, Daenerys? Chaotic Good: Arya, Robert? Lawful Neutral: Stannis, the Hound? True Neutral: Varys, Tyrion? Chaotic Neutral: Jaime, Theon?, Bronn? Lawful Evil: Tywin, Joffrey Neutral Evil: Cersei, Littlefinger Chaotic Evil: Viserys, the Mountain
I would put Joffrey as Chaotic Evil. It wasn't exactly "lawful" how he treated Arya and the Butcher's son. I'd put Tyrion as Chaotic Neutral.
I understand a case for Tyrion as being neutral good or chaotic good, but I think he serves himself foremost and that isn't very "good".
I actually think that a bunch of the characters are hard to classify this way by alignment, and that Tyrion is one of the most difficult of all.
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On June 18 2011 05:40 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:32 GGQ wrote:On June 17 2011 08:41 Cylon wrote:On June 17 2011 08:40 Babaganoush wrote:
How exactly do I feel about Tyrion?
On one hand, he's part of the Lannisters, the House I so greatly despise...
On the other hand, he seems like he's just a guy who gets picked on all the time by his own family...
I don't know if he's evil.. good.. or whatever.
If you were putting it in a spectrum, Ned Stark was obviously "Lawful Good" but what of Tyrion? Chaotic neutral. This was interesting to me, so I went ahead and started listing all the characters (all according to the show) by alignment lol Lawful Good: Ned, Robb, Jon, Sansa?, Barristan Neutral Good: Catelyn, Renly?, Bran?, Daenerys? Chaotic Good: Arya, Robert? Lawful Neutral: Stannis, the Hound? True Neutral: Varys, Tyrion? Chaotic Neutral: Jaime, Theon?, Bronn? Lawful Evil: Tywin, Joffrey Neutral Evil: Cersei, Littlefinger Chaotic Evil: Viserys, the Mountain I would put Joffrey as Chaotic Evil. It wasn't exactly "lawful" how he treated Arya and the Butcher's son. I'd put Tyrion as Chaotic Neutral. I understand a case for Tyrion as being neutral good or chaotic good, but I think he serves himself foremost and that isn't very "good". I actually think that a bunch of the characters are hard to classify this way by alignment, and that Tyrion is one of the most difficult of all.
I would say Tyrion is True Neutral . Most of the time he stays completely neutral to most things, but when he does something one would classify as good he does it to gain something, i'd guess this would count as chaotic good. In a bad situation he might cross over to Neutral/Lawful Evil to save himself if needed, but i can't see him as Chaotic evil at all. Tyrion is quite flexible..
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On June 18 2011 05:30 Voltaire wrote:
Tyrion should definitely be neutral good. Why else would he do things like help Bran and Jon Snow?
It's his soft spot for "bastards, cripples, and broken things" as he tells Robb and Bran. He relates to them.
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Awesome show, definitely one of the best I've watched. It's a shame that there's so much downtime between Season 1 and 2 but I guess it can't really be helped, something to look for at least
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