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On June 07 2011 04:40 Azide wrote:
i thought episode 8 was fucking great. i picked up the book series and have read up to episode 8. to be honest, the only real disappointment i had was the scene was with Othor and Jon. in the book it was a lot more epic i felt and tense/fear... the room was said to be like pitch black... they downplayed it quite a bit. also like someone else said all the letters arriving so quickly seemed forced and they skipped some details but again, you wouldnt know that from not reading the book so overall it was a great episode. khal drogo fight was EPIC
Starting to understand why he got a nomination. That scene was my favorite of the episode by far.
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The Arya stabbing scene did seem pretty rushed and insignificant, and it was supposed to be a big moment for her... But I can understand that they'd rather not make an elaborate scene of a little boy dying. Didn't help that the boy had a silly Aladdin costume and couldn't act at all.
That said, I think the episode improved greatly after that and was overall very solid. The wall scenes were a bit meh, Tyrion was great, Drogo scene was a great addition, and I enjoyed seeing Robb act badass. Overall, alot more good than bad, but obviously far from perfect.
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So I am the only one who felt the Drogo scene was a little over the top then?
It was cool but I'm not a big fan of fight scenes that are ridiculous, I just didn't like the bobbing and weaving to avoid the sword completely, (don't get me wrong, whatever actor plays Drogo is impressively agile) it's not like Drogo was fighting someone totally untrained and unused to swordplay, he should of been cut up pretty bad for such arrogance rather than just a tiny scratch.
I'm definitely in agreement about the Arya stabbing scene and the Othor scene, they just were not well done.
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the pacing of this episode is terrible lmao.
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On June 07 2011 05:27 TheFrankOne wrote:
So I am the only one who felt the Drogo scene was a little over the top then?
It was cool but I'm not a big fan of fight scenes that are ridiculous, I just didn't like the bobbing and weaving to avoid the sword completely, (don't get me wrong, whatever actor plays Drogo is impressively agile) it's not like Drogo was fighting someone totally untrained and unused to swordplay, he should of been cut up pretty bad for such arrogance rather than just a tiny scratch.
I'm definitely in agreement about the Arya stabbing scene and the Othor scene, they just were not well done.
I thought the Drogo scene was INCREDIBLE.
1. it shows just how badass Drogo is compared to other warriors. i don't care whether you think it's realistic for him to be able to dodge a swinging blade (lol go put on your helmet and pub bf2... don't forget to salute your officers), he just did it because he's way more badass than anyone you've ever imagined.
2. it reveals the dothraki culture. how even the khal must fight to keep his place in charge. how it's not obscene for a man to challenge the khal's decision.
3. yeah, he just leaned into that blade to cut himself. why would you do that? i don't know, maybe because you're a badass?
4. it shows how the khaleesi is changing and how the khal is changing with her. two episodes ago he was screaming in front of everyone about how he was going to rape the women of westeros and now?
5. you could see his tongue. holy shit that was awesome.
The Arya scene was good. It's hard to show a girl (or boy) her age kill someone; the scene gave her a survival-reaction opportunity to experience it. It's not supposed to be drawn or flashy. She did it because she had to and she did it how she was trained.
I also thought the Othor scene was tense and exciting. I was half-expecting there to be nothing and for Jon to get further disciplined for leaving his quarters. Then the struggle went down. Not incredible fight choreography, but I didn't think that was the important part of the scene, so I wasn't really focused on it.
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On June 07 2011 04:44 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 04:23 tyCe wrote:
I don't know if anyone else feels the same way but I thought episode 8 was totally crap compared to the other episodes. The beginning 15 minutes felt so awkward, especially the Syrio scene, which was supposed to be one of the most awesome in the first book. The timelines of the letters reaching Robb and Jon also felt so forced, as did Jon's fight with the wight. The book's description of the wight scene contained so much tension and fear, and the one in the series completely fell flat in comparison.
Anyone else feel this way? Honestly, if this is what GRRM's script writing can produce, I'd much rather the normal writers do the whole series, especially since GRRM is supposedly writing arguablly the most important scene in the next season. i think your beef lies more with the directing than the script...
the problem is with the editing as much as the directing. It's a very choppy episode, in my opinion. I also get the feeling that parts of this episode were rushed, and that's why things like the fight sequences become aesthetically identical to horrible shows like Camelot or Xena, or the rape of the "sheep people" or Arya killing the stable boy, had none of the punch that they had in the book.
I watched the episode twice, though, since so many people disagreed that the action parts feel cheap or that it's a weak episode overall. I still think the action is extremely weak and disheartening when thinking about season 2 - but the latter part of the episode is still very good, although the last scene could've been better.
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On June 07 2011 04:58 Bagi wrote:
The Arya stabbing scene did seem pretty rushed and insignificant, and it was supposed to be a big moment for her... But I can understand that they'd rather not make an elaborate scene of a little boy dying. Didn't help that the boy had a silly Aladdin costume and couldn't act at all.
That said, I think the episode improved greatly after that and was overall very solid. The wall scenes were a bit meh, Tyrion was great, Drogo scene was a great addition, and I enjoyed seeing Robb act badass. Overall, alot more good than bad, but obviously far from perfect.
Yeah the Arya stabbing scene was so bad... It was so much better in the book. But props for adding the Drogo fight scene, probably my favorite scene in the whole episode.
I've only read the first book so far. And while reading it, I really didn't care for Drogo that much but in the series he's so badass.
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Did anyone else notice in the behind-the-throne shot just after Barristan left and the kingsguard were sheathing their swords, the one on the right seemed to be having a little difficulty ^^
Epic episode though, Littlefinger played off of Varys' speech at the end very well without saying a word and of course the Drogo fight was a double rainbow
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i really, really liked this episode.
I don't get all the critism... It was done better in the book?... ... ... Entirely possible but at the same time totally irrelevant to anyone that hasn't read it, which is the huge majority.
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i read the book and i still loved this episode, probably one of my favourites so far.
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Good and bad episode overall I think. The complaining is way over the top though, you can expect it to be exactly like the book. Not every scene is going to be played the exact same way. Hell, the awesome Drogo scene wasn't even in the book. (He got injured by the lamb people's khal in the book)
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It seems like everyone saying the episode was less than amazing is comparing scenes they've imagined in their head to how it played out on screen.
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On June 07 2011 05:51 scorch- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:27 TheFrankOne wrote:
So I am the only one who felt the Drogo scene was a little over the top then?
It was cool but I'm not a big fan of fight scenes that are ridiculous, I just didn't like the bobbing and weaving to avoid the sword completely, (don't get me wrong, whatever actor plays Drogo is impressively agile) it's not like Drogo was fighting someone totally untrained and unused to swordplay, he should of been cut up pretty bad for such arrogance rather than just a tiny scratch.
I'm definitely in agreement about the Arya stabbing scene and the Othor scene, they just were not well done. I thought the Drogo scene was INCREDIBLE. 1. it shows just how badass Drogo is compared to other warriors. i don't care whether you think it's realistic for him to be able to dodge a swinging blade (lol go put on your helmet and pub bf2... don't forget to salute your officers), he just did it because he's way more badass than anyone you've ever imagined. 2. it reveals the dothraki culture. how even the khal must fight to keep his place in charge. how it's not obscene for a man to challenge the khal's decision. 3. yeah, he just leaned into that blade to cut himself. why would you do that? i don't know, maybe because you're a badass? 4. it shows how the khaleesi is changing and how the khal is changing with her. two episodes ago he was screaming in front of everyone about how he was going to rape the women of westeros and now? 5. you could see his tongue. holy shit that was awesome. The Arya scene was good. It's hard to show a girl (or boy) her age kill someone; the scene gave her a survival-reaction opportunity to experience it. It's not supposed to be drawn or flashy. She did it because she had to and she did it how she was trained. I also thought the Othor scene was tense and exciting. I was half-expecting there to be nothing and for Jon to get further disciplined for leaving his quarters. Then the struggle went down. Not incredible fight choreography, but I didn't think that was the important part of the scene, so I wasn't really focused on it.
I definitely agree with points 2-5 I just think they could of been illustrated without Drogo throwing away his weapons and dodging around the guy's wild swings. They could of been illustrated while maintaining a high level of badassery. I have no idea what the comment in parentheses is about; no fucking clue.
I was mostly thinking about the other two scenes relative to how they were described in the book so I had different expectations and they were disappointing compared to that, those scenes were full of awesome in the books, I did love every other bit of the episode though.
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On June 07 2011 06:53 scorch- wrote:
It seems like everyone saying the episode was less than amazing is comparing scenes they've imagined in their head to how it played out on screen.
This exactly, its a screen adaptation people. Its really difficult for them to make it as good as YOU perceive it from the book. Even if you think GRR Martin *intended* for it to be shown a certain way, its most likely thats your interpretation, and no one can rightly live up to your own fantasy.
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On June 07 2011 07:04 Pinkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 06:53 scorch- wrote:
It seems like everyone saying the episode was less than amazing is comparing scenes they've imagined in their head to how it played out on screen. This exactly, its a screen adaptation people. Its really difficult for them to make it as good as YOU perceive it from the book. Even if you think GRR Martin *intended* for it to be shown a certain way, its most likely thats your interpretation, and no one can rightly live up to your own fantasy.
Actually until this last episode I've been dumbfounded at how good it's been, this episode had 2 exceptions otherwise I'm still amazed, despite my bitching I did like the Drogo scene, just thought it was a little over the top.
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On June 07 2011 07:08 DisneylandSC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Soooooo........zombies?
I like where this is going : D
Yes, but not the Holywood kind.
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On June 07 2011 07:08 DisneylandSC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Soooooo........zombies?
I like where this is going : D
The technical term is Wight =)
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On June 07 2011 07:04 Pinkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 06:53 scorch- wrote:
It seems like everyone saying the episode was less than amazing is comparing scenes they've imagined in their head to how it played out on screen. This exactly, its a screen adaptation people. Its really difficult for them to make it as good as YOU perceive it from the book. Even if you think GRR Martin *intended* for it to be shown a certain way, its most likely thats your interpretation, and no one can rightly live up to your own fantasy.
Reacting to bad direction or editing has nothing to do with some kind of mental image one might have from reading the book. And considering GRRM wrote the episode, it's probably as close to what he intended it to be as possible.
People need to get it through their heads that not everything is about "waaah the book did it better" and more to do with "this just looks bad" regardless of how it was in the book. And almost everything up to Drogo's fight scene in episode 8 just looked bad (imo).
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