On May 20 2019 12:29 TheTenthDoc wrote: Did they mention what the Dothraki did? Did they just decide to be BFFs with the Unsullied? Can the Isle of Naath really handle thousands of Unsullied and Dothraki showing up?
Since all the remaining dothrakis were Dany's bloodriders (S6E06?), by tradition they ritually ended their life once her death was made public. The scene was not shown on screen because the production had already reached its quota of bloodshed.
As bad as this season has been so far, I'm totally fine with how it ended. Sure, not everything made perfect sense but I thought it was a great episode and as good of an end I could have hoped for.
Cinematography to make Dany look like literal Hitler. Tyrion doing a 'they came for the slave masters, but we were silent' speach to Jon to compensate for D&D's lack of proper storytelling on Daenerys, and making Jon an even more worthless character that can't think for himself.
No parting words for Daenerys...just dead. Drogon doesn't even mangle Jon for doing it. Drogon's fire, that last episode blows up a huge castle gate in a single fly-by now takes 10+ seconds to melt a small throne. Then he just goes peace out?.
No scenes of the followup of Daenerys death. A random council appears. Zero political intrigue, just some awful comedy by dissing Edmure Tully while he does nothing wrong. Davos suggesting Grey Worm and his army of people without genitals should start a house when they can never procreate.
Nobody should give a shit about Sam, his only boon is being friends with Jon but now he's on this council somehow while Jon is still in prison.
Why did Grey Worm wait so long to put Jon to justice? He's leading a mecenary army subservient to nobody and this dude killed his queen. Why on earth would he wait for some council of the seven kingdoms that he doesn't care about? He could've crucified Jon and left for Naarth before Sansa even gathered her horse.
Everyone listening to Tyrion, and immediately accepting a cripple NONE OF THEM KNOWS as their king. But wait. It's not even required to be subservient to this new king, cause Sansa is an strong independent woman and just says nope. All the other kingdoms, plead loyalty...because?
And then we see the wise king in action by naming Bronn lord of highgarden because he threatened his Hand with a crossbow, and makes him master of coin. Sam as Grand Maester? Then Davos and Bronn start a meme conversation on what to waste money while Bran goes away to watch more Fox NewsRavenTV
Arya suddenly finds Jack Sparrows compass. The end.
On May 20 2019 18:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I thought it was terrible.
Cinematography to make Dany look like literal Hitler. Tyrion doing a 'they came for the slave masters, but we were silent' speach to Jon to compensate for D&D's lack of proper storytelling on Daenerys, and making Jon an even more worthless character that can't think for himself.
No parting words for Daenerys...just dead. Drogon doesn't even mangle Jon for doing it. Drogon's fire, that last episode blows up a huge castle gate in a single fly-by now takes 10+ seconds to melt a small throne. Then he just goes peace out?.
No scenes of the followup of Daenerys death. A random council appears. Zero political intrigue, just some awful comedy by dissing Edmure Tully while he does nothing wrong. Davos suggesting Grey Worm and his army of people without genitals should start a house when they can never procreate.
Nobody should give a shit about Sam, his only boon is being friends with Jon but now he's on this council somehow while Jon is still in prison.
Why did Grey Worm wait so long to put Jon to justice? He's leading a mecenary army subservient to nobody and this dude killed his queen. Why on earth would he wait for some council of the seven kingdoms that he doesn't care about? He could've crucified Jon and left for Naarth before Sansa even gathered her horse.
Everyone listening to Tyrion, and immediately accepting a cripple NONE OF THEM KNOWS as their king. But wait. It's not even required to be subservient to this new king, cause Sansa is an strong independent woman and just says nope. All the other kingdoms, plead loyalty...because?
And then we see the wise king in action by naming Bronn lord of highgarden because he threatened his Hand with a crossbow, and makes him master of coin. Sam as Grand Maester? Then Davos and Bronn start a meme conversation on what to waste money while Bran goes away to watch more Fox NewsRavenTV
Arya suddenly finds Jack Sparrows compass. The end.
Sam is head of his house. While its not one of the 7 big ones, its still a big house
I was okay with it. Sure, it made no sense that after all that horrible horrible genocide of last episode, somehow now everything is peace after the queen was murdered, but who the fuck cares, right. I for one do not, anymore. The episode was all right and it is over now. By the way, ask the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation how well it tends to work out if you let your powerful lords elect the King. Muhahaha, Westeros is fuuuucked.
On May 20 2019 18:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I thought it was terrible.
Cinematography to make Dany look like literal Hitler. Tyrion doing a 'they came for the slave masters, but we were silent' speach to Jon to compensate for D&D's lack of proper storytelling on Daenerys, and making Jon an even more worthless character that can't think for himself.
No parting words for Daenerys...just dead. Drogon doesn't even mangle Jon for doing it. Drogon's fire, that last episode blows up a huge castle gate in a single fly-by now takes 10+ seconds to melt a small throne. Then he just goes peace out?.
No scenes of the followup of Daenerys death. A random council appears. Zero political intrigue, just some awful comedy by dissing Edmure Tully while he does nothing wrong. Davos suggesting Grey Worm and his army of people without genitals should start a house when they can never procreate.
Nobody should give a shit about Sam, his only boon is being friends with Jon but now he's on this council somehow while Jon is still in prison.
Why did Grey Worm wait so long to put Jon to justice? He's leading a mecenary army subservient to nobody and this dude killed his queen. Why on earth would he wait for some council of the seven kingdoms that he doesn't care about? He could've crucified Jon and left for Naarth before Sansa even gathered her horse.
Everyone listening to Tyrion, and immediately accepting a cripple NONE OF THEM KNOWS as their king. But wait. It's not even required to be subservient to this new king, cause Sansa is an strong independent woman and just says nope. All the other kingdoms, plead loyalty...because?
And then we see the wise king in action by naming Bronn lord of highgarden because he threatened his Hand with a crossbow, and makes him master of coin. Sam as Grand Maester? Then Davos and Bronn start a meme conversation on what to waste money while Bran goes away to watch more Fox NewsRavenTV
Arya suddenly finds Jack Sparrows compass. The end.
Edmure may have done nothing wrong, but he was dreaming to think he'd ever be elected king. Sansa let him down pretty gently all things considered. Sam is the head of House Tarly and the most powerful lord in The Reach, which is why he's there. Similarly, Tyrion is the head of House Lannister and Lord of the Westerlands. Davos isn't suggesting they start a dynasty, just that they can settle and live our their days in peace and relative comfort.
The rest of your points are completely valid.
Perhaps if they'd just held off ringing the bells until after Dany had started her rampage, they could have held some semblance of narrative cohesion. As it was, everything to do with Dany and her followers was fubar.
At least we got some carthasis with Jon + Ghost reunion, and some other shit which went alright.
The thing I wonder and worry is what kind of conclusions people responsible for financially greenlighting these shows draw from the backlash of s8.
Apparently back when the Revenant was being filmed and it blew the budget and got delayed and all that, there was serious worry how it'll affect other upcoming film projects. Luckily it turned out great in the end and did well in the box office. Had it been a catastrophic failure, it would have likely caused the financers to play a lot safer and nobody would have got to do the ambitious stuff any time soon.
I'm not sure how that'll translate to a series that has had its success on previous years though, but I fear somehow it may lead to much more middle of the road productions in the near future.
On May 20 2019 18:29 Longshank wrote: As bad as this season has been so far, I'm totally fine with how it ended. Sure, not everything made perfect sense but I thought it was a great episode and as good of an end I could have hoped for.
Same here. It was rush, and should have been a full 13 episodes. But I’m happy where it ended up. Put the least threatening person on the throne and call it a day.
I also like the idea that the dragons were way more aware of what was happening than we ever thought. Drogon shows up, sees his dead mom and is like “fuck this chair, this is what got her killed.”
On May 20 2019 20:07 Warri wrote: 46:29 on Amazon HBO
I never paid much attention to those kind of things but is it usual in TV that those kind of mishaps happen?
Yeah, even in big budget movies. Brave heart has a famous moment where a Scottish warrior trips and you can totally see his boxers under his kilt. Other period pieces have moments where you can see the sneakers the women are wearing under the very long dresses.
I love how D&D realised they totally wrote themselves into a corner that they had no idea how to get out of when the Dothraki/Unsullied discover that Jon killed Dany, so the story skips ahead a few weeks and pretends that nothing happened.
The north is casually allowed to secede without causing an instant war as everyone else will want to fuck off aswell.
Sigh, atleast its over now. Time to forget the last few seasons ever happened.
It's complicated for me to accept last two seasons overall. Too many details hard to accept in comparison to earlier seasons.
Can you imagine becoming a master of coin, and a keeper of Highgarder having only 3 scenes per season with overall timing like 3 to 5 minutes of a screentime? That is some next level plot complexity!
And what was the point of Aryas run in ep 5 leaving her with a horse? What was the point of Varys sending letters? Why did they showed tension between John and Greyworm that resulted nothing? Just for the sake of adding to a creentime? F**k prophecies, f**k logic, they want to make drama...Gosh, I've got lots of questions and lots of reasons to be disappointed.
On May 20 2019 19:22 Alethios wrote: Edmure may have done nothing wrong, but he was dreaming to think he'd ever be elected king. Sansa let him down pretty gently all things considered.
You do realize that Edmure is a fictional character, right? It is not about Edmure doing something wrong. It is about the writers thinking it would be a good idea to make a joke at his expense when the entire scene already is completely unbelievable.
Perhaps if they'd just held off ringing the bells until after Dany had started her rampage, they could have held some semblance of narrative cohesion. As it was, everything to do with Dany and her followers was fubar.
Nothing about how Dany went evil and what she and Jon did affected that scene where they decide how Westeros is ruled. Tyrion could have been head of house Lannister and he could have said the exact same thing. They just needed a different reason about why they weren't mentioning Jon.
There are people playing the game on thrones in every kingdom that the show didn't have time to show. People in High Garden saw their opportunity to get more power and they either unite High Garden under them, or everything loses cohesion and the lower noble houses are all on their own. Same for Storm's End. These kingdoms were often in rebellion against the capital when there was a king with a strong army. And the tv series even highlights this absurdity by having Sansa secede. And no one cares. The funny thing is that Yara is OK with Bran being her king, but Sansa is not. Why aren't they all plotting against each other? Or too worried about their own position in their own land to care who gets to be the king of the Ashes? If those other lords act like that, when they return home they will find out they are no longer in power and that their successor is fighting border disputes against Sansa because she actually has an army, is actually in control of her own lands, and is actually playing the game.
But maybe this is because I read about ancient and medieval warfare and politics and watched dozens of NHK taiga 52 episode historical samurai drama which is basically Game of Thrones as it was in season 1 to 3, but without magic.
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