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Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
May 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#3221

I hope it is not a repost.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
May 19 2011 20:01 GMT
#3222
Nope thanks for posting, maybe it will end this 5 page discussion on weight of fighters lol
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 20:59:18
May 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#3223
On May 20 2011 04:56 MozzarellaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 02:58 Luhh wrote:
I strongly disagree. thought kendo was a sport where they tap a stick against their oponent, not drive steel through plate or ringmail or leather. In kendo you don't try to incapacitate and or injure your opponent. For unarmored swordfighting it could be true, but if you're gonna fight someone with a sword, you better have some protection.

Strength and brutality most often wins.

If someone took a kendo stick and smacked your head with it, they would shatter your face. It is not a sport where you stand around tapping sticks against each other. They wear leather armor for protection during fights, compare Kendo to Western fencing, which would be better described as a bunch of sissy men prancing around.


This is completely inaccurate; shinai are made of hollow bamboo. A hit in the face (really, anywhere) stings like a bitch, but would be hard-pressed to do any actual damage; doubly so when you consider that kendo predominantly revolves around downward swings. So, please, next time you try to talk about kendo, do it to yourself because you are obviously clueless.

Quick request to everyone complaining about the show, would you kindly shut up? GRRM wrote the books, and if he is completely happy with the way they have been brought to the screen, then what in Hades are you all going on about??
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
May 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#3224
On May 20 2011 05:01 mrgerry wrote:
Nope thanks for posting, maybe it will end this 5 page discussion on weight of fighters lol


That would be awesome, I don't recall when the thread topic changed.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 21:14:34
May 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#3225
On May 20 2011 05:55 Shaithis wrote:
This is completely inaccurate; shinai are made of hollow bamboo. A hit in the face (really, anywhere) stings like a bitch, but would be hard-pressed to do any actual damage; doubly so when you consider that kendo predominantly revolves around downward swings. So, please, next time you try to talk about kendo, do it to yourself because you are obviously clueless.


Yep, they all use bamboo stick, nobody ever used bokuto (made out of hardwood). I have held a bokuto, and I would not want to get hit with that, it is an inch diameter thick of solid wood.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#3226
I still can't believe people are arguing about character physique and shit like that. This is a fantasy book remember? The metals they use could be extremely light (Valyrian steel is a good example at this) and thus you wouldn't need to be incredibly strong to use them. Look at guys like Syrio who rely purely on speed, who's to say Loras doesn't incorporate some of that?
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 21:26:32
May 19 2011 21:26 GMT
#3227
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.
ElyAs
Profile Joined December 2009
France205 Posts
May 19 2011 21:26 GMT
#3228
I'm starting to really like this show, they didn't kill the spirit of the book.

Next episode spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm looking forward to the crowning of Viserys :D
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
May 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#3229
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.


+ Show Spoiler +
My vote is for Syrio Forel, he was first sword of Bravos and holds off 4 soldiers and a member of the kingsguard with a wooden sword.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
May 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#3230
On May 20 2011 06:26 ElyAs wrote:
Next episode spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm looking forward to the crowning of Viserys :D

Me too :D
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
May 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#3231
On May 20 2011 06:34 Cylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.


+ Show Spoiler +
My vote is for Syrio Forel, he was first sword of Bravos and holds off 4 soldiers and a member of the kingsguard with a wooden sword.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
If we restrict this discussion to the current time period, I think that the books make it very clear that Jaime is at the top of the heap. Of course, there is an adjustment later.
Horst
Profile Joined November 2010
338 Posts
May 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#3232
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.



+ Show Spoiler +
Agree about strong belwas... I mean really. He lets a guy cut him, then cuts off the guys head, throws it back at his friends, shits in their general direction, and wipes his ass with their champion's cloak. SO BADASS. Its a shame the guy is a Eunich... imagine how much better he'd be if he had balls? The Slavers said it themselves... the Eunichs will never have the strength of a westerosi knight.
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
May 19 2011 21:44 GMT
#3233
On May 20 2011 06:37 Shaithis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 06:34 Cylon wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.


+ Show Spoiler +
My vote is for Syrio Forel, he was first sword of Bravos and holds off 4 soldiers and a member of the kingsguard with a wooden sword.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
If we restrict this discussion to the current time period, I think that the books make it very clear that Jaime is at the top of the heap. Of course, there is an adjustment later.


+ Show Spoiler +
While they do say that Jaime is the best knight, Syrio is not a knight and is never compared to the other fighters so the books saying Jaime is the best knight of the time period doesn't mean much. Syrio also loses some fighting ability in book 1.
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 21:54:39
May 19 2011 21:47 GMT
#3234
On May 20 2011 06:44 Cylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 06:37 Shaithis wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:34 Cylon wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.


+ Show Spoiler +
My vote is for Syrio Forel, he was first sword of Bravos and holds off 4 soldiers and a member of the kingsguard with a wooden sword.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
If we restrict this discussion to the current time period, I think that the books make it very clear that Jaime is at the top of the heap. Of course, there is an adjustment later.


+ Show Spoiler +
While they do say that Jaime is the best knight, Syrio is not a knight and is never compared to the other fighters so the books saying Jaime is the best knight of the time period doesn't mean much. Syrio also loses some fighting ability in book 1.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
My point is that it seems to me that GRRM's intentions were to paint Jaime as the most skilled swordsman alive, not just the best knight. Otherwise, why the "adjustment" in book 3?

There's plenty of formidable fighters in the series. The Clegane duo, Belwas, Brienne, Ned , Barristan, the Dorthaki bodyguards, Bronn, Syrio, Khal Drogo, the Darkstar, Howland Reed, Victarion; you get the point. We can spend all day trying to come up with a list,but I think that it's pretty clear that GRRM considered Jaime the top dog.

Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 21:54:41
May 19 2011 21:50 GMT
#3235
On May 20 2011 06:47 Shaithis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 06:44 Cylon wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:37 Shaithis wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:34 Cylon wrote:
On May 20 2011 06:26 Bagi wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:40 Isengrim wrote:
On May 20 2011 04:36 maliceee wrote:
On May 19 2011 02:36 ToxNub wrote:
best fighters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure in the books it was Dayne > Barristan > Jaime > Robert/Rhaegar/Loras etc. Since Dayne is dead (i think) then barristan is the greatest living one, followed by jaime.

+ Show Spoiler +
Brienne?



+ Show Spoiler +
Barely held off a half starved Jaime who had his hands bound, so no. Although she's certainly more than a match for most of the male characters.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm re-reading AFFC currently and I think Brienne is far from the most skilled fighter. She actually makes makes her first kill in this book, and is quite insecure about doing it. Really no match for a seasoned fighter like Jaime or Ser Barristan.

Quite possibly the best female fighter, but not the best overall.

Anyways, my vote goes to Strong Belwas - even if he isn't truly the strongest, he does it with style.


+ Show Spoiler +
My vote is for Syrio Forel, he was first sword of Bravos and holds off 4 soldiers and a member of the kingsguard with a wooden sword.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
If we restrict this discussion to the current time period, I think that the books make it very clear that Jaime is at the top of the heap. Of course, there is an adjustment later.


+ Show Spoiler +
While they do say that Jaime is the best knight, Syrio is not a knight and is never compared to the other fighters so the books saying Jaime is the best knight of the time period doesn't mean much. Syrio also loses some fighting ability in book 1.


Book 3 - + Show Spoiler +
My point is that it seems to me that GRRM's intentions were to paint Jaime as the most skilled swordsman alive, not just the best knight. Otherwise, why the "adjustment" in book 3?



+ Show Spoiler +
I guess your right, I just wish Syrio lived longer so that he could prove how much of a bad-ass he was. I like your use of "adjustment".
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
May 19 2011 22:00 GMT
#3236
On May 20 2011 02:48 SergioCQH wrote:
Christina Hendricks is out of the question. For one thing, she's still on Mad Men. For another, she's an American, and this production uses almost exclusively British actors. The only two Americans on the show are Peter Dinklage and Jason Momoa, who play roles that are extremely difficult to cast. Finally, Christina Hendricks refuses to do nudity, which the role of Melisandre requires.


I can't deny that it's highly unlikely. The most likely cause of problems is indeed the fact that she is still on the casting list for Mad Men.

It was just a sort of dream-cast if i was the supreme ruler of the universe and got to decide everything. I don't think there is even a 1% chance that she will end up getting the role. I just think both acting-ability-wise and looks she matches Melisandre perfectly, in my mind atleast.

The actuall odds for her taking on the role are nihil, it's not just unlikely, it's simply not going to happen. It's just my ideal cast for the part, despite it probably never happening.


Not that i will hold a grudge over something like that. The casting so far has been spot on for just about every part so i am sure they can find a great Melisandre.

I don't even like the Melisandre character that much anyway. My favorite character in all the books is Davos Seaworth so i care more about his casting then any other in season 2. Sadly enough i also have to recognize that Davos could easily be written out of the story since the series doesn't work with PoV.
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 22:04:05
May 19 2011 22:03 GMT
#3237
To the dude above me:

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah, it kinda does. But where are those spoiler tags, can't you read mate?

1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 19 2011 22:06 GMT
#3238
On May 20 2011 07:03 Shaithis wrote:
To the dude above me:

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah, it kinda does. But where are those spoiler tags, can't you read mate?




Err what exactly is he spoiling, that there is a character in book 2 named Davos?
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 22:09:40
May 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#3239
On May 20 2011 07:06 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 07:03 Shaithis wrote:
To the dude above me:

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah, it kinda does. But where are those spoiler tags, can't you read mate?




Err what exactly is he spoiling, that there is a character in book 2 named Davos?

+ Show Spoiler +
Book 2 is not mentioned, so he could easily be talking about Book 3 or Book 4. Who is to say that these characters appear in the same book? Noggin on your head, use it!

Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
May 19 2011 22:11 GMT
#3240
+ Show Spoiler [book five] +
Davos is still alive and can thus not be removed as easily as imagined
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