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Stannis is taking on Bolton because Bolton is allied to the current king.
He would like to have a Stark in the north, because that's typically what Starks do, and Eddart supported his rule. But Robb tried to usurp his throne by claiming himself to be king of the north (rather than just the ward), and Jon refused to join him. With him putting a Stark back in charge, he'd be able to rally the rest of the north to his banner.
Likely his plan is to put Sansa up to the task, like Littlefinger suggested before.
At the very least, he should know the vast majority of people in the north hate the Boltons for kicking out the Starks (made obvious by everyone going "the north remembers"), so even if he can't put a stark back in charge, they should still rally behind him anyway.
I hated the ending with the dragonscale though. At first they act like there's no issue going through the path, then after they both talk about how everyone with dragonscale gets sent there. And they took no real precautions to prevent themselves from being attacked.
Sure, maybe he really didn't expect to get attacked, but come on. I wasn't even surprised when the guy said he wasn't touched and he really was. Such an obvious and lame ending there. Who knows though, maybe dragons can fix it, lol.
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On May 12 2015 06:36 killa_robot wrote:
I wasn't even surprised when the guy said he wasn't touched and he really was. Such an obvious and lame ending there. Who knows though, maybe dragons can fix it, lol.
That was pretty hilarious. A page from the zombie movie 101.
Every week i expect big things to happen because it's only 10 episodes a year but nothing ever does >_<
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On May 12 2015 06:36 killa_robot wrote:
I wasn't even surprised when the guy said he wasn't touched and he really was. Such an obvious and lame ending there. Who knows though, maybe dragons can fix it, lol.
lol Maybe something made from dragons blood/scale? Seems legit, would explain how the best maesters were able to stop the princesses infection. Something like that would be extremely rare (though in potential new found abundance).
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this season nothing has happened it feels like. I thought shit would get started by ep 4,5 but clearly stannis battle is gonna come next 6-7 episode so at least that will happen
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People talking is the best part of the show, yo.
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On May 12 2015 00:28 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 15:55 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't understand why Stannis and the Boltons have to fight; couldn't Stannis ask them to join his army? It seems like their alliance with the Lannisters isn't very strong at the moment. Would you want to ally with someone who betrayed their own allies in the war against the lannisters? I mean he personally stuck a dagger through Rob Stark's heart and he was from the north. Stannis isn't from the North, I wouldn't trust the boltons ever just because they've already betrayed their own because it was starting to look bad.
It wasn't even starting to look bad. Robb was still winning. Boltons did it to become new rules of the North, something they could never do just by following Starks.
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On May 11 2015 20:56 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 16:57 dbizzle wrote:On May 11 2015 15:55 ShurykaN wrote:
I don't understand why Stannis and the Boltons have to fight; couldn't Stannis ask them to join his army? It seems like their alliance with the Lannisters isn't very strong at the moment. So some one backstabs your good friend's family, murders them at their wedding, takes their home, skin their people and backs up the lannisters and you wonder why he wants to get rid of them? Stannis is hardly a friend to the Starks. He "wished" for Robb Stark's death when Melisandre did the leech trick with Gendry. He's evolved since then I think, but I wouldn't consider Stannis a "friend" to the Starks, merely an ally. I believe he wants to fight and oust the Boltons for several reasons: - He wants to be king, and they are in the way - He knows what they are, and what they stand for - They are allies to the Lannister, and by extension, his ennemies - They have Sansa Stark (although I don't think he knows?), so it could help him rally the North
Remember that Robb Stark allowed himself to be declared King of the North by his bannermen, and thus effectively declared independence from the Seven Kingdoms.This was something no claimant to the Iron Throne was going to tolerate, and effectively alienated Robb from any alliance with either Baratheon brothers. Renly offered a "lenient option" and offered to allow Robb to keep the title in name, but still required him to swear fealty to the crown (aka you can call yourself whatever you like as long as nothing changes). Stannis probably would've required him to drop the title as well. Stannis did, at multiple times, express his respect for Ned Stark, both when meeting Catelyn and meeting Jon Snow, so there wasn't any hatred of the Starks or anything. If it weren't for the whole "King of da North" thing, Stannis and Robb would be "natural" allies. Robb has an army but needs a navy because Ironborn, Stannis has a navy but only a small army.
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What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont.
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On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont.
It's the same disease that Stannis' daughter has/had, they've mentioned that many,many times :D
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On May 12 2015 09:02 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont. It's the same disease that Stannis' daughter has/had, they've mentioned that many,many times :D
Ah yeah I figured that was the same thing. It's not terminal then, as long as he gets the right treatment. They kinda treated it like it was a death sentence or something lol.
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On May 12 2015 09:04 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 09:02 KadaverBB wrote:On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont. It's the same disease that Stannis' daughter has/had, they've mentioned that many,many times :D Ah yeah I figured that was the same thing. It's not terminal then, as long as he gets the right treatment. They kinda treated it like it was a death sentence or something lol.
Did you already forget one episode ago when Stannis told his daughter about the disease and the length he went to stop it from spreading? If it is as simple as just "getting the right treatment" there wouldn't be any Stone Men lol.
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AFAIK, only Stannis's daughter has been cured of it, and they're not even sure which treatment was the one that worked. I'm guessing this is the beginning of Jorah and Stannis's paths being merged.
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On May 12 2015 06:26 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 05:33 Grovbolle wrote:On May 08 2015 01:45 Yoav wrote:On May 07 2015 22:04 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Yep, it was Bronn, he exactly described the strategy he could to win vs mountain, and the same strat was picked by Oberyn. Considering Oberyns past I think he was like S+ fighter overall, while Bronn somewhere near S or A+ emotions killed the viper just my personal tier list of fighters based in our show so far: S+ + Show Spoiler +Jaime (when he had both hands)
Oberyn
Jaqen Hagar (arguably, and I agree with Spaylz post)
S + Show Spoiler +The Mountain
Bronn
Ned Stark
Ser Baristan Selmy
Khal Drogo
Dario Naharis
Brienne
Grey Worm A + Show Spoiler +Jon Snow
Ser Jorah Mormont
Ser Aliser Torne
Syrio Forel
The Hound
Ser Loras Tyrell
Berik Dondarrion B + Show Spoiler +probably i forgot someone  Yeah obviously tier lists are a silly exercise, if fun. What really matters is different expertise, and how it matters in practice and as regards the character. Brienne is insanely good at dueling--she's repeatedly taken on the best in Westeros and beaten them in swordplay with efficient bladework and skillful disarms. But we have no idea what she's like in a battle. The Mountain would be a terror on the battlefield, capable of cleaving through groups of enemies, but his relative lack of finesse made him vulnerable in 1v1. Oberyrn was an insane fighter, who ended up biting it because of overconfidence. Bronn would probably be up there for generally being useful in any situation. Or how about this situation: who loses in a one-on-one in an open field against a competent archer? That's actually bad news for a few of the best: Snow, Oberyn, and Bronn are all probably hosed. Loras, Brienne, and even fucking Tywin might well make it. On May 07 2015 20:01 TMG26 wrote:On May 06 2015 04:09 Mafe wrote:
Also, should Tommen and Myrcella die, nobody should have any legitimate reason to dispute Stannis' claim to the throne (even though I don't see Cersei, Jaime, and maybe even the Tyrells accepting this at all)?! Stannis next in line after Myrcella. Assuming Tommen and Myrcella are legitimate. Normally, heritage has children before brothers and then uncles, Tyrion should have been the current Lannister top dog, but he is exiled, that means Cersei is in charge (Males only take priority over Females in the same generation, so Cersei comes before Tywin's Brother). Shall Cersei die, Castle Rock should go to Tommen, and so the Lannister heritage falls to Baratheon name. But since relationships are good between Tommen and Tywin's Brother, Tommen might as well pass it to him. The Sand Snakes should just make sure that Tommen produces no heirs, and Myrcella is next in line for both the Iron Throne and the Rock. Myrcella sons will have the last name Martell because Tyrion in season 2 shipped her to Dorne to marry the Martell heir. Still claims are claims, if if legitimate, wars were fought for less. This is a good analysis. I'm not sure the Sand Snakes are that rational, but if I were Doran, I'd be explaining this to them, and set them off to take out Tommen, not harm their only hope out of a silly idea of revenge. Also, there's a chance that Stannis would have his claim considered disqualified by some on the grounds of his religion. We haven't seen clear laws on this in Westeros, but I can easily imagine that somebody could oppose it on religious grounds (heck, most viewers do). Religion doesn't matter when you have the bigger army. Robert won the throne by conquest, so can Stannis. Winning the throne is different than being able to rule. If religion was taken seriously, it might be a problem. However, for reasons outlined above, I think he may be able to overcome the fact that his religion involves burning people alive for not joining up. /*This is, incidentally, a way more aggressive attitude than Christianity or Islam took at pretty much any point; apostasy has often been punished, particularly in the Muslim world where the religion has explicit rules against it, but failure to convert is usually just dealt with via social pressure or heavier taxation (again, particularly the latter in Muslim territories). Even Spain was more liberal than the Red God's guys... the expulsion was just that, and the violent persecution largely targeted those who either secretly practiced other faiths or, or converted to them afterward. Violent witch hunts of heretics or infidels are historically mostly just mob violence, relatively rarely conducted from on high.*/
Christians authories did burn heretics at some point,. Homosexuals had pope's something stuck up their ass. There were dark times in all religion by default caused by people, human civilization in general. Just sayin, humans did crazy things and it's all comparable
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On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont.
It was explained in S5E2 and E3.
The Stone Men are basically people who have been completely afflicted with greyscale, which covers their body in cracked, stone-like skin; if the greyscale reaches their brains, it also induces madness and aggressive behavior. Think a hyper-aggressive leprosy combined with rabies. It's highly contagious once the disease has spread to this stage, so one touch can transmit greyscale. Basically, think leper zombies.
On May 12 2015 09:04 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 09:02 KadaverBB wrote:On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont. It's the same disease that Stannis' daughter has/had, they've mentioned that many,many times :D Ah yeah I figured that was the same thing. It's not terminal then, as long as he gets the right treatment. They kinda treated it like it was a death sentence or something lol.
This disease is usually fatal, and is widely feared; people who have contracted it are usually exiled to the far reaches of civilization and left to degenerate into Stone Men (with the ruins of Valyria a destination for greyscale victims) to keep the disease from spreading. Shireen had the brother of the King bring in every healer, maester, and apothecary from both sides of the Narrow Sea to cure her of it, which makes her more a miraculous exception than the rule.
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why dont they just kill the stonemen like tyrion suggested? wouldnt it be risky to transport them all the way there, someones gotta stay with them on the ship and with a crew and then theres a random chance the greyscale person escapes.
Tho i guess if u had to kill them and if they're blood gets on you ur screwed too.
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The first pirated copies of episode five of the current season of HBO’s popular fantasy epic showed up on file-sharing sites shortly after its initial U.S. broadcast 9-10 p.m. ET Sunday, according to piracy-tracking firm Excipio. The 2.2 million individual Internet addresses tracked by the firm were recorded as of 10 a.m. ET Monday.
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lol that's crazy.
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I also felt episode 5 was lackluster and was expecting major things to start happening, I have liked all the other episodes very much though and think a lot happened in them. I was just expecting some of the major things to start happening since we are halfway through the season and really there wasn't too much. I guess a few things happened but none of them were the storylines I particularly care about (Sansa seeing Theon, Jorah getting greyscale, Danni planning to get married). Things I want to see are Arya, Tyrion/Varys finally getting to Dani (which seems to keep getting delayed), Jamie/Bronn, and to a lesser extent whats going to happen with Lannisters v Tyrells v Faith Militant (though at the moment it seems the faith militant are being manipulated by Cercie, they are bound to just start doing what they want because they were basically set up and introduced as being above the law/king and accountable to no one).
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On May 12 2015 09:21 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 09:04 Emnjay808 wrote:On May 12 2015 09:02 KadaverBB wrote:On May 12 2015 08:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
What is that disease anyways. I feel like they didnt properly introduce that disease or give us a more better background of it. Oh wells, RIP Mormont. It's the same disease that Stannis' daughter has/had, they've mentioned that many,many times :D Ah yeah I figured that was the same thing. It's not terminal then, as long as he gets the right treatment. They kinda treated it like it was a death sentence or something lol. Did you already forget one episode ago when Stannis told his daughter about the disease and the length he went to stop it from spreading? If it is as simple as just "getting the right treatment" there wouldn't be any Stone Men lol.
Watch Tyrion science the shit out of it and figure out the right treatment. 
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for some reason im getting worried that this season is going to be like the set up for everything else
like stansis is going to go fight the boltens right but his main story goal is to get the iron throne and kings landing and i dont really see that happening this season assuming he wins vs the boltens (kinda 50/50 imo but didnt red lady name a slug thing after roose bolten? who did she name 3 people right joffery, Rob and bolten? )
and then danny is she really going to make it over to westeros i dont think so either, so i guess no dragon army fights 
idk about kings landing i guess cersi will make preparations for fighting against stansis once she hears hes coming down maybe all those sparrows will turn into soldiers
Then the white walker army (no idea what the are doing, apart from the baby scene way back i cant really remember what they're doing)
Bran story was confirmed for next season right?
I guess sand snake stuff will happen? but its ep 5 and we only got an introduction to them
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On May 12 2015 16:10 Shock710 wrote:
for some reason im getting worried that this season is going to be like the set up for everything else
like stansis is going to go fight the boltens right but his main story goal is to get the iron throne and kings landing and i dont really see that happening this season assuming he wins vs the boltens (kinda 50/50 imo but didnt red lady name a slug thing after roose bolten? who did she name 3 people right joffery, Rob and bolten? )
The third leech was for Balon Greyjoy, Theon/Reek's dad, back in season 2. They kind of just let that one pass and word is Balon and the rest of the Greyjoys have been cut from the show. Nothing definite, but they haven't even been mentioned for pretty much a whole season now.
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