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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10910 Posts
April 22 2015 13:29 GMT
#26501
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 22 2015 14:05 GMT
#26502
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.
wargirl
Profile Joined October 2013
Azerbaijan109 Posts
April 22 2015 14:31 GMT
#26503
I love the show! I got the linked ones already so right now im desperate to see what happends.
Any piece of knowledge I acquire today has a value at this moment exactly proportional to my skill to deal with it. Tomorrow, when I know more, I recall that piece of knowledge and use it better. ”
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 14:49:20
April 22 2015 14:49 GMT
#26504
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 22 2015 15:22 GMT
#26505
On April 22 2015 23:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.

Another person ignoring my arguments. Go back to last page and comment on my points and this can be more than a shouting match.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 17:08:37
April 22 2015 16:58 GMT
#26506
On April 23 2015 00:22 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 23:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.

Another person ignoring my arguments. Go back to last page and comment on my points and this can be more than a shouting match.


You didn't list anything that she actually did. All you listed were things she struggled through.

Yea, she struggled through a lot, but she's not actually doing anything.

The only thing that you listed that she actually did is complete B.S. She didn't contribute to conquering these cities hardly at all. She has no military skill whatsoever. She sits in a damn tent while the guys that want to bang her do all the work for her. She didn't even seduce Daario. He just thought she was hot and showed up pledging himself to her. As for surviving and getting to this point, she's been handed almost everything she's gotten between Qarth and here simply due to having dragons and everyone worshiping or wanting said dragons.

Oh, and as for struggling, Sansa and Arya have gone through significantly worse things than Dany has.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10910 Posts
April 22 2015 17:36 GMT
#26507
On April 23 2015 00:22 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 23:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.

Another person ignoring my arguments. Go back to last page and comment on my points and this can be more than a shouting match.


You did not bring any arguments. You just listed the harsh stuff she had to face... Which is not what everyone else is talking about.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
April 22 2015 18:03 GMT
#26508
when Mannis told Jon he could make him lord of Winterfell... fuck man so good!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
April 22 2015 18:58 GMT
#26509
IMO the main legitimate complaint about Dany is that her story arc isn't very exciting. HBO could go into all the boring details of Dany managing her little empire but people would just complain more (ResidentSleeper). It's no different in those papery things we don't talk about here either.

As far as her not doing anything that's pretty bunk. She survived a forced marriage to a warlord, hatched dragons, survived exile (again), saved dragons from the blue lip crew, stole an army and then used it to sack a couple cities.

And yeah, people show up to help her, but it's not just due to her looks. She's actually a decent and fair ruler unlike, say, shit lord Cersei. She's more forgiving that hard-ass Stannis as well and not a foolish drunk like Robert was either. The world of GoT has few decent rulers, and Dany is one of them. I know we're all sad we don't see her boobies any more, but give the grill some credit where it's due.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 22 2015 19:08 GMT
#26510
On April 23 2015 03:03 Topin wrote:
when Mannis told Jon he could make him lord of Winterfell... fuck man so good!

I knew he would decline though, Jon Stark just sounds wrong. Once a snow always a snow!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24053 Posts
April 22 2015 19:13 GMT
#26511
On April 23 2015 03:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
IMO the main legitimate complaint about Dany is that her story arc isn't very exciting. HBO could go into all the boring details of Dany managing her little empire but people would just complain more (ResidentSleeper). It's no different in those papery things we don't talk about here either.

As far as her not doing anything that's pretty bunk. She survived a forced marriage to a warlord, hatched dragons, survived exile (again), saved dragons from the blue lip crew, stole an army and then used it to sack a couple cities.

And yeah, people show up to help her, but it's not just due to her looks. She's actually a decent and fair ruler unlike, say, shit lord Cersei. She's more forgiving that hard-ass Stannis as well and not a foolish drunk like Robert was either. The world of GoT has few decent rulers, and Dany is one of them. I know we're all sad we don't see her boobies any more, but give the grill some credit where it's due.


Well no more dany boobs but her 19 y.o. body double isn't a bad substitute + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
lol. There's probably lots of people who would make better rulers than the ones we see in GoT they were just born to different circumstances. Jon Snow is an example. He would obviously be a better ruler than plenty but wouldn't have a chance without being given a name. She's the least bad from a group of fuckups, hell Dario would probably make a better leader.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 22 2015 19:16 GMT
#26512
On April 23 2015 02:36 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 00:22 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.

Another person ignoring my arguments. Go back to last page and comment on my points and this can be more than a shouting match.


You did not bring any arguments. You just listed the harsh stuff she had to face... Which is not what everyone else is talking about.

So you are still cba to bring any counter arguments. Noted that you have none.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 22 2015 19:25 GMT
#26513
On April 23 2015 01:58 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 00:22 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:49 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On April 22 2015 23:05 -Archangel- wrote:
On April 22 2015 22:29 Velr wrote:
You saying it isn't luck, doesn't make it "not-luck".


Its like you claiming "she cleverly won the lottery 5 times in a row due to her unique skillset and heritage."...

Maybe it is luck but you have not given an arguments to show how. And you have not beaten any of mine. You just kept talking and ignoring my arguments.


It doesn't matter what you want to call it. The point is that Dany hasn't accomplished very much out of her own skill/actions. It's either been luck or other people doing it for her for no good reason. This is what people don't like about her character. She's essentially a privileged brat yelling about "MY dragons!" the whole time while everyone does everything for her simply because she has dragons.

Another person ignoring my arguments. Go back to last page and comment on my points and this can be more than a shouting match.


You didn't list anything that she actually did. All you listed were things she struggled through.

Yea, she struggled through a lot, but she's not actually doing anything.

The only thing that you listed that she actually did is complete B.S. She didn't contribute to conquering these cities hardly at all. She has no military skill whatsoever. She sits in a damn tent while the guys that want to bang her do all the work for her. She didn't even seduce Daario. He just thought she was hot and showed up pledging himself to her. As for surviving and getting to this point, she's been handed almost everything she's gotten between Qarth and here simply due to having dragons and everyone worshiping or wanting said dragons.

Oh, and as for struggling, Sansa and Arya have gone through significantly worse things than Dany has.

I mentioned both her struggles and accomplishments although I didn't list them all as once she got her army we know what she conqured with it and nobody so far has tried to take it away from her.
And saying she was only sitting in her tent while others conquered for her is beyond hilarious. If we took that criteria for everyone that nobody acomplished anything as none of the military leaders in the show or history did shit themselves.
But that is not how history remembers them.
And of course she seduced Dario, he heard of her and her actions even before they met. She seduced him through what she did just like Tywin intimidates people before he meets them.

And Sansa and Arya did have struggles but accoplished nothing but survival with them. And sansa is not even free but a puppet.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 22 2015 19:27 GMT
#26514
On April 23 2015 04:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 03:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
IMO the main legitimate complaint about Dany is that her story arc isn't very exciting. HBO could go into all the boring details of Dany managing her little empire but people would just complain more (ResidentSleeper). It's no different in those papery things we don't talk about here either.

As far as her not doing anything that's pretty bunk. She survived a forced marriage to a warlord, hatched dragons, survived exile (again), saved dragons from the blue lip crew, stole an army and then used it to sack a couple cities.

And yeah, people show up to help her, but it's not just due to her looks. She's actually a decent and fair ruler unlike, say, shit lord Cersei. She's more forgiving that hard-ass Stannis as well and not a foolish drunk like Robert was either. The world of GoT has few decent rulers, and Dany is one of them. I know we're all sad we don't see her boobies any more, but give the grill some credit where it's due.


Well no more dany boobs but her 19 y.o. body double isn't a bad substitute + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
lol. There's probably lots of people who would make better rulers than the ones we see in GoT they were just born to different circumstances. Jon Snow is an example. He would obviously be a better ruler than plenty but wouldn't have a chance without being given a name. She's the least bad from a group of fuckups, hell Dario would probably make a better leader.


Is this so they can do filming in multiple sets at the same time for her story line, or to simply show the skin we've been long waiting for?
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 22 2015 20:47 GMT
#26515
Random question: isn't Tyrion technically the head of house Lannister and lord of Casterly Rock? Tywin is dead and his eldest son Jamie gave up his claims when he became a kingsguard. The title should go to Tyrion, right?
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-23 03:14:58
April 22 2015 20:50 GMT
#26516
On April 23 2015 05:47 Scorch wrote:
Random question: isn't Tyrion technically the head of house Lannister and lord of Casterly Rock? Tywin is dead and his eldest son Jamie gave up his claims when he became a kingsguard. The title should go to Tyrion, right?

No it should go to the next sibling in line right? Like when Robert Baratheon died, Stannis should have been the rightful heir.

edit: nvm I'm dumb
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
April 22 2015 20:53 GMT
#26517
stanis's claim is only based on the fact that Robert had no legitimate heirs.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 22 2015 20:53 GMT
#26518
On April 23 2015 05:50 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 05:47 Scorch wrote:
Random question: isn't Tyrion technically the head of house Lannister and lord of Casterly Rock? Tywin is dead and his eldest son Jamie gave up his claims when he became a kingsguard. The title should go to Tyrion, right?

No it should go to the next sibling in line right? Like when Robert Baratheon died, Stannis should have been the rightful heir.

Only because Robert had no legitimate sons. Joffrey and Tommen aren't his children, and bastards don't count either. Stannis knew the truth about Cersei and Jamie, so he rightfully claimed the throne for himself.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
April 22 2015 20:54 GMT
#26519
On April 23 2015 04:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 03:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
IMO the main legitimate complaint about Dany is that her story arc isn't very exciting. HBO could go into all the boring details of Dany managing her little empire but people would just complain more (ResidentSleeper). It's no different in those papery things we don't talk about here either.

As far as her not doing anything that's pretty bunk. She survived a forced marriage to a warlord, hatched dragons, survived exile (again), saved dragons from the blue lip crew, stole an army and then used it to sack a couple cities.

And yeah, people show up to help her, but it's not just due to her looks. She's actually a decent and fair ruler unlike, say, shit lord Cersei. She's more forgiving that hard-ass Stannis as well and not a foolish drunk like Robert was either. The world of GoT has few decent rulers, and Dany is one of them. I know we're all sad we don't see her boobies any more, but give the grill some credit where it's due.


Well no more dany boobs but her 19 y.o. body double isn't a bad substitute + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
lol. There's probably lots of people who would make better rulers than the ones we see in GoT they were just born to different circumstances. Jon Snow is an example. He would obviously be a better ruler than plenty but wouldn't have a chance without being given a name. She's the least bad from a group of fuckups, hell Dario would probably make a better leader.

Yep, Snow is a good leader. He also learned a lot from Ned and growing up effectively as a noble in Winterfell. He's hardly perfect either. He would have abandoned the Night's Watch if not for his friends and wouldn't have been elected Lord Commander without Sam's help.

I'm not sure why you think Dario would make a good leader. He betrayed his mercenary company's contract because Dany is cute...
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
April 22 2015 20:57 GMT
#26520
On April 23 2015 05:47 Scorch wrote:
Random question: isn't Tyrion technically the head of house Lannister and lord of Casterly Rock? Tywin is dead and his eldest son Jamie gave up his claims when he became a kingsguard. The title should go to Tyrion, right?


since tyrion is on the run, wanted for patricide, regicide and high treason it is more than likely that his titles were stripped and revoked to the crown (or to Cersei, which is pretty much the same).

So yes while under medieval inheritance rules he should be Lord of Casterly Rock, no one in Westeros would give him the title.
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