EPTNow that Jaime is a rapist.
Can we stop with this bull**** ? I am seriously starting to think you all are trolling here. Not funny
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
Can we stop with this bull**** ? I am seriously starting to think you all are trolling here. Not funny | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:14 Scorch wrote: Yeah, of course you can't ban everyone who makes a correct prediction. But if it later turns out the same person is a book reader, that should warrant a hefty ban in my opinion. There's no way so many people "predicted" Lady Olenna murdered Joffrey using poison from Sansa's necklace without book knowledge. I don't understand why some people feel the need to look smart on an internet forum to bolster their ego. Olenna grabbing the necklace was spoiled on pages 1055 and 1056 (basically one day after airing): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1056 After that, it became more and more clear that this is the explanation, since this detail was unlikely to be left in as a coincidence. After seeing the detailed pictures on page 1063, I guess everyone was kind of convinced. Anyway, now that it is confirmed whodunnit, the way the story around the poisoning was constructed seems super artificial to me. What do you guys think? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:31 Jandos wrote: Can we stop with this bull**** ? I am seriously starting to think you all are trolling here. Not funny I know. Bunch of white knights can't believe that some people can be into some kinky shit. I mean they're already fucking their twin, is it such a leap for there to be some reluctance roleplay which floats both their boats? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:31 Jandos wrote: Can we stop with this bull**** ? I am seriously starting to think you all are trolling here. Not funny I know what was supposed to happen and how they possibly intended to portray it, but they did a terrible job at it and so for most people that's what they're going to interpret. Then again it's not really all that surprising because they sort of did the same with Dany/Drogo's first night together. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:42 urboss wrote: Anyway, now that it is confirmed whodunnit, the way the story around the poisoning was constructed seems super artificial to me. What do you guys think? I agree. We don't know how exactly Olenna did it. There was always some distance between her and Joffrey. Also, why would she rely on a super complicated and unreliable plan involving the drunkard fool and Sansa's necklace when she could just bring the poison herself? And lastly, I think it's not worth the risk (of being caught as well as the political consequences) just to get a nicer husband for her granddaughter. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:54 Scorch wrote: I agree. We don't know how exactly Olenna did it. There was always some distance between her and Joffrey. Also, why would she rely on a super complicated and unreliable plan involving the drunkard fool and Sansa's necklace when she could just bring the poison herself? And lastly, I think it's not worth the risk (of being caught as well as the political consequences) just to get a nicer husband for her granddaughter. There's a lot of room for potential political motivations. Joffery is clearly possessive and self serving so he is far less likely than Tommen to be good to his allies; the Tyrell's being the notable ally here. It would have been entirely in character for Joffery to even hold Margery hostage if there was ever a dispute with the Tyrells. Plus for the Tyrell's what they are really looking for is children because that extends the bond between the Tyrell's and the throne. If Joffery is a monster and has his kids be the same way that bond is much weaker and more problematic. Plus if Joffery is such an ass as to lose the throne (which isn't that unlikely since he started a massive war his first week/month of being king), then the Tyrell's lose out big time. Margery is also a crowd pleaser. If he's 'roughed up' by Joffery or the public changes their opinion of her that also ruins her influence over the people/realm and weakens the Tyrells. Basically nothing about Joffery was very promising for the Tyrells to grow in power and influence. The plot seems entirely construed to implicate Tyrion, and more importantly remove Littlefinger very far from any possible blame. Sure Olenna could have smuggled in the poison herself but that's putter her at a much bigger risk and gives less room overall for someone to be clearly blamed. Perhaps Olenna didn't know Sansa would escape and thought that the necklace would have been discovered and found leading to her implication in the murder; we only know Littlefinger's side of the plot. For Olenna too if they tried to spin it such that Tyrion is to blame that would 'free' Sansa to remarry, say to one of the Tyrell's like they tried before, which is pretty valuable as everyone thinks she's the current heir to Winterfel (Bran and Rickon being presumed dead). More importantly Littlefinger clearly wants Sansa and the setup was also a great way to force her into his servitude. She can't run away from him now because being discovered means she'll be tried and likely executed. Without the ability to use her high born influence to get around safely and no wilderness smarts of her own she's pretty much stuck with Littlefinger until he's done with her. If you go from the start and watch Littlefinger you can see how complicated his plots are, but how much each bit of complication ends up ultimately benefiting him. Notably season 1 with how he deals with the Starks. Or do you think it's coincidence that Littlefinger took Ned to a brothel with only 1 guard soon after news reached King's Landing of Tyrion being taken by Catelyn when Eddard would have otherwise left the city? | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
Bran is so ugly lol. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
But meh. For Sansa manipulation purposes it doesn't seem bad, to make her feel partially responsible or something. Still, not worth it. Also, Olenna's a total badass. Even more than she was before. | ||
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Tesarul
Belgium79 Posts
How is that not considered spoilers? :/ | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:46 Tesarul wrote: Am I the only one who is annoyed by the comments mentioning the events in the preview of the next episode? How is that not considered spoilers? :/ I agree. Other show threads put discussion about previews and so on in spoilers, which would make a lot of sense here, too, IMHO. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
Was it ever said in previous seasons what happened to Craster's sons? I think it was implied they were killed but AFAIK we never saw that until this episode. My memory isn't so good of those earlier seasons, maybe I need to re-watch them again. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:52 Rayeth wrote: I was pretty excited to finally see the White Walkers being brought back into the story. We haven't really seen anything those guys have been up to in a while, and now we get to see that they have been taking Craster's sons and forming an army (It looked like an army to me, there were a bunch of shadowy figures). The White Walkers were introduced as this "big bad" enemy right at the start of Season 1, and we haven't seen them much since a brief skirmish with Sam/Gilly. Good to see they are still up to something. Was it ever said in previous seasons what happened to Craster's sons? I think it was implied they were killed but AFAIK we never saw that until this episode. My memory isn't so good of those earlier seasons, maybe I need to re-watch them again. They've never explicitly shown what happens with the boys before. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/s7KFM.jpg) heights of GoT characters. dayum, the mountain is so tall. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On April 29 2014 07:00 Mensol wrote: heights of GoT characters. dayum, the mountain is so tall. Well, you know, he is referred to as "the mountain"... | ||
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goody153
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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CAPSLOCKED
563 Posts
On April 29 2014 07:21 rei wrote: lol that picture if you zoom in on hodor you can see the censored dick that and Bran's silhouette cracked me up | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote: Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. I'm not really enjoying any of the Craster's Keep storyline. It seems unnecessary, they talk about Mance learning of the Watch's defenses, but he already knows which Castles are being defended by Snow's own doing. If he's looking for holes in defenses he already has plenty of information to go on. the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On April 29 2014 07:28 biology]major wrote: the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit Big fat Robert used to mount her by force when he was drunk so Cercei is kinda used to being raped. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote: Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. The scene made perfect sense to me. Jaime is crazily in love with Cersei but obviously can't show it, he made it through hell to get back to her and lost his hand on the way aswell. When he finally gets to King's Landing, Cersei pretty much neglects him and puts some blame on him because he wasn't there when she was having a "hard" time. Jaime is just too frustrated and has to have her. Cersei seems a bit psychotic so kinda hard to get a read on her  | ||
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