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On April 29 2014 08:00 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:28 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote:On April 29 2014 03:41 karazax wrote:It was a pretty good episode, but some of the end of it didn't make much sense. The mutineers are all deserters of the Night's Watch, so I don't know exactly how they intended to get south of the wall and even deliver a message to anyone who would care about paying a ransom, much less collect it safely. And unless they were planning on abandoning Craster's and trying to live south of the wall as fugitives, I don't know how much good gold would do them anyway. Why did they capture and immediately start attacking and stab Hodor for no reason other than cruelty, but they captured Ghost and they are feeding him? Surely they don't have unlimited supplies to feed a dire wolf that is apt to kill them if he some how gets free. On April 29 2014 02:59 jinorazi wrote:
am i the only that that giggled...regarding the cercei rape scene last week and people were upset about it...then they show rape orgy and i think that'll be ignored? keke Most people weren't mad that they showed a rape, there are plenty of horrible things on the show and rape is just one of them. What bothered a lot of people is that the writers didn't intend for that scene with Jaime and Cersei to be rape, and thought they made it look consensual. Which if that was their intention, they did a terrible job. Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. I'm not really enjoying any of the Craster's Keep storyline. It seems unnecessary, they talk about Mance learning of the Watch's defenses, but he already knows which Castles are being defended by Snow's own doing. If he's looking for holes in defenses he already has plenty of information to go on. the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit Big fat Robert used to mount her by force when he was drunk so Cercei is kinda used to being raped.
What? I seem to remember from the first season that Robert used to join Cersei in bed while drunk, fall asleep before anything happened and not remember any of it the next day. That would explain why all of Cersei's children are from Jaime but Robert never suspected anything.
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On April 29 2014 08:43 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:00 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 07:28 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote:On April 29 2014 03:41 karazax wrote:It was a pretty good episode, but some of the end of it didn't make much sense. The mutineers are all deserters of the Night's Watch, so I don't know exactly how they intended to get south of the wall and even deliver a message to anyone who would care about paying a ransom, much less collect it safely. And unless they were planning on abandoning Craster's and trying to live south of the wall as fugitives, I don't know how much good gold would do them anyway. Why did they capture and immediately start attacking and stab Hodor for no reason other than cruelty, but they captured Ghost and they are feeding him? Surely they don't have unlimited supplies to feed a dire wolf that is apt to kill them if he some how gets free. On April 29 2014 02:59 jinorazi wrote:
am i the only that that giggled...regarding the cercei rape scene last week and people were upset about it...then they show rape orgy and i think that'll be ignored? keke Most people weren't mad that they showed a rape, there are plenty of horrible things on the show and rape is just one of them. What bothered a lot of people is that the writers didn't intend for that scene with Jaime and Cersei to be rape, and thought they made it look consensual. Which if that was their intention, they did a terrible job. Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. I'm not really enjoying any of the Craster's Keep storyline. It seems unnecessary, they talk about Mance learning of the Watch's defenses, but he already knows which Castles are being defended by Snow's own doing. If he's looking for holes in defenses he already has plenty of information to go on. the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit Big fat Robert used to mount her by force when he was drunk so Cercei is kinda used to being raped. What? I seem to remember from the first season that Robert used to join Cersei in bed while drunk, fall asleep before anything happened and not remember any of it the next day. That would explain why all of Cersei's children are from Jaime but Robert never suspected anything.
That thing you said was about Cercei making Robert not finish inside her, that's the "not remember any of it the next day" part.
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omg ser pounce, kitteeeeee~
I can't decide if Tommen and the cat is more adorable than Pod atm.
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I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x
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On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x
I was at first too.
I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<;
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On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<;
I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores.
Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid.
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On April 29 2014 08:50 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:43 Scorch wrote:On April 29 2014 08:00 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 07:28 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote:On April 29 2014 03:41 karazax wrote:It was a pretty good episode, but some of the end of it didn't make much sense. The mutineers are all deserters of the Night's Watch, so I don't know exactly how they intended to get south of the wall and even deliver a message to anyone who would care about paying a ransom, much less collect it safely. And unless they were planning on abandoning Craster's and trying to live south of the wall as fugitives, I don't know how much good gold would do them anyway. Why did they capture and immediately start attacking and stab Hodor for no reason other than cruelty, but they captured Ghost and they are feeding him? Surely they don't have unlimited supplies to feed a dire wolf that is apt to kill them if he some how gets free. On April 29 2014 02:59 jinorazi wrote:
am i the only that that giggled...regarding the cercei rape scene last week and people were upset about it...then they show rape orgy and i think that'll be ignored? keke Most people weren't mad that they showed a rape, there are plenty of horrible things on the show and rape is just one of them. What bothered a lot of people is that the writers didn't intend for that scene with Jaime and Cersei to be rape, and thought they made it look consensual. Which if that was their intention, they did a terrible job. Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. I'm not really enjoying any of the Craster's Keep storyline. It seems unnecessary, they talk about Mance learning of the Watch's defenses, but he already knows which Castles are being defended by Snow's own doing. If he's looking for holes in defenses he already has plenty of information to go on. the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit Big fat Robert used to mount her by force when he was drunk so Cercei is kinda used to being raped. What? I seem to remember from the first season that Robert used to join Cersei in bed while drunk, fall asleep before anything happened and not remember any of it the next day. That would explain why all of Cersei's children are from Jaime but Robert never suspected anything. That thing you said was about Cercei making Robert not finish inside her, that's the "not remember any of it the next day" part.
I think her quote was, "I'd finish him in other ways if he ever climbed drunkenly into our bed and he wouldn't remember it the next day" or something. So yeah she managed to avoid ever having a Baratheon child or really having sex with Robert in general.
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On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid.
Are you sure she didn't just walk into his room and break his knees? :o
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On April 29 2014 09:11 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:50 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 08:43 Scorch wrote:On April 29 2014 08:00 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 07:28 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2014 05:27 Logo wrote:On April 29 2014 03:41 karazax wrote:It was a pretty good episode, but some of the end of it didn't make much sense. The mutineers are all deserters of the Night's Watch, so I don't know exactly how they intended to get south of the wall and even deliver a message to anyone who would care about paying a ransom, much less collect it safely. And unless they were planning on abandoning Craster's and trying to live south of the wall as fugitives, I don't know how much good gold would do them anyway. Why did they capture and immediately start attacking and stab Hodor for no reason other than cruelty, but they captured Ghost and they are feeding him? Surely they don't have unlimited supplies to feed a dire wolf that is apt to kill them if he some how gets free. On April 29 2014 02:59 jinorazi wrote:
am i the only that that giggled...regarding the cercei rape scene last week and people were upset about it...then they show rape orgy and i think that'll be ignored? keke Most people weren't mad that they showed a rape, there are plenty of horrible things on the show and rape is just one of them. What bothered a lot of people is that the writers didn't intend for that scene with Jaime and Cersei to be rape, and thought they made it look consensual. Which if that was their intention, they did a terrible job. Yeah the problem was that it seemed really inconsistent for Jaime's character arc into someone you have sympathy for. After his revelation to Brienne about the Mad King you're supposed to feel bad for him and also look at Ned in slightly different light based on how he judged Jaime. Now that Jaime is a rapist it's sort of like ok whatever Kingslayer you're getting what you deserve. It was even more awkward the way that Cersei didn't seem to care AT ALL this episode nor did Jaime feel bad at all. I'm not really enjoying any of the Craster's Keep storyline. It seems unnecessary, they talk about Mance learning of the Watch's defenses, but he already knows which Castles are being defended by Snow's own doing. If he's looking for holes in defenses he already has plenty of information to go on. the reason cersei did'nt care, and neither did jaime is because it wasn't even close to rape. If it was really rape she would have bit off his ear or clawed at his face. This applies to cersei specifically, she doesn't take shit Big fat Robert used to mount her by force when he was drunk so Cercei is kinda used to being raped. What? I seem to remember from the first season that Robert used to join Cersei in bed while drunk, fall asleep before anything happened and not remember any of it the next day. That would explain why all of Cersei's children are from Jaime but Robert never suspected anything. That thing you said was about Cercei making Robert not finish inside her, that's the "not remember any of it the next day" part. I think her quote was, "I'd finish him in other ways if he ever climbed drunkenly into our bed and he wouldn't remember it the next day" or something. So yeah she managed to avoid ever having a Baratheon child or really having sex with Robert in general.
She could easily kill her children while carrying, she would drink a little potion and gg.
No one would suspect anything.
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On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid.
I'm sorry you perceived it that way but it's not like Olenna/Margaery are sleeping with every guy they come across. I think that scene demonstrated nicely one of the strengths women have in this universe, and even in the real-world in medieval time periods.
Men were (and still are, to some degree) easy to manipulate for women who know what they're doing in that department. Given how difficult it is for women to obtain and hold on to power in this series, its not really a surprise that the smart ones use this to their advantage. Cersei is a prime example of this, in that she has used sex, albeit recklessly, in the past to obtain loyalty she couldn't have obtained otherwise. Was kind of convenient that in the last episode there was a scene where this backfires on her and she has power taken away from her with Jaime.
With how often the show portrays real whores and how desperate their situations can be (think Mole's Town whorehouse vs. Littlefinger whore house), I don't know how you could equate highborn ladies playing the Game of Thrones to whores. It's just a sexual story.
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On April 29 2014 09:25 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid. I'm sorry you perceived it that way but it's not like Olenna/Margaery are sleeping with every guy they come across. I think that scene demonstrated nicely one of the strengths women have in this universe, and even in the real-world in medieval time periods. Men were (and still are, to some degree) easy to manipulate for women who know what they're doing in that department. Given how difficult it is for women to obtain and hold on to power in this series, its not really a surprise that the smart ones use this to their advantage. Cersei is a prime example of this, in that she has used sex, albeit recklessly, in the past to obtain loyalty she couldn't have obtained otherwise. Was kind of convenient that in the last episode there was a scene where this backfires on her and she has power taken away from her with Jaime. With how often the show portrays real whores and how desperate their situations can be (think Mole's Town whorehouse vs. Littlefinger whore house), I don't know how you could equate highborn ladies playing the Game of Thrones to whores. It's just a sexual story.
You said yourself that they used sex as their means to draw some power.
What conclusion you make of that is your business but it doesn't sit well with me.
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Enjoying the show.
I just hope the books are able to keep up!!
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On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid.
Lol Obachan.
I thought I would be the only one to refer to her as that.
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the sex for power thing reminded me a bit of bene gesserit and Honored Matres from Dune :D
Also, i just watched this episode, and as soon as they started with the cheesy slave freedom thingy, i knew the ending would be something dark.
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Bran is so ugly lol.
What? Bran looks like a guy who can get a lot of girls after 10 years.
Also didn't notice that Khal Drogo is that tall. and if that Ghost height is accurate , Ghost can eat the mountain hehe
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On April 29 2014 09:29 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:25 ZasZ. wrote:On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid. I'm sorry you perceived it that way but it's not like Olenna/Margaery are sleeping with every guy they come across. I think that scene demonstrated nicely one of the strengths women have in this universe, and even in the real-world in medieval time periods. Men were (and still are, to some degree) easy to manipulate for women who know what they're doing in that department. Given how difficult it is for women to obtain and hold on to power in this series, its not really a surprise that the smart ones use this to their advantage. Cersei is a prime example of this, in that she has used sex, albeit recklessly, in the past to obtain loyalty she couldn't have obtained otherwise. Was kind of convenient that in the last episode there was a scene where this backfires on her and she has power taken away from her with Jaime. With how often the show portrays real whores and how desperate their situations can be (think Mole's Town whorehouse vs. Littlefinger whore house), I don't know how you could equate highborn ladies playing the Game of Thrones to whores. It's just a sexual story. You said yourself that they used sex as their means to draw some power. What conclusion you make of that is your business but it doesn't sit well with me.
Because the clearly medieval fantasy setting is supposed to use modern morality?
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On April 29 2014 10:59 RuskiPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 09:29 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 09:25 ZasZ. wrote:On April 29 2014 09:06 Steveling wrote:On April 29 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:On April 29 2014 08:55 Emnjay808 wrote:
I really thought Margery was gonna bed Tommen. I was like, "HOLY SHIT, KID LIVING THE DREAM~"
But it was just the other kind of pussy play =x I was at first too. I thought it was going to be awkward because he looks like he still hasn't hit puberty yet/is just hitting it. <_<; I really don't like how GRRM portrays them as whores. Dat obachan saying "I was good(whore), I was very good(whore) but you are even better(whore) " was kinda stupid. I'm sorry you perceived it that way but it's not like Olenna/Margaery are sleeping with every guy they come across. I think that scene demonstrated nicely one of the strengths women have in this universe, and even in the real-world in medieval time periods. Men were (and still are, to some degree) easy to manipulate for women who know what they're doing in that department. Given how difficult it is for women to obtain and hold on to power in this series, its not really a surprise that the smart ones use this to their advantage. Cersei is a prime example of this, in that she has used sex, albeit recklessly, in the past to obtain loyalty she couldn't have obtained otherwise. Was kind of convenient that in the last episode there was a scene where this backfires on her and she has power taken away from her with Jaime. With how often the show portrays real whores and how desperate their situations can be (think Mole's Town whorehouse vs. Littlefinger whore house), I don't know how you could equate highborn ladies playing the Game of Thrones to whores. It's just a sexual story. You said yourself that they used sex as their means to draw some power. What conclusion you make of that is your business but it doesn't sit well with me. Because the clearly medieval fantasy setting is supposed to use modern morality?
Idd.
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Way to have the last word. If you really wanted the argument to stop, maybe you shouldn't have made another point.
Best scene was Bron slapping Jamie with his own hand. Hands down.
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On April 29 2014 11:54 Keniji wrote:
Way to have the last word. If you really wanted the argument to stop, maybe you shouldn't have made another point.
Best scene was Bron slapping Jamie with his own hand. Hands down.
You are right, I shall be the superior man then and delete it.
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Don't know what you posted but i don't think you can claim 'superior man' for deleting it only after being called out for it lol...
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