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SIUnit
China288 Posts
I'm a mecha nut, so the suit design for me was definitely the high point of the movie, although I'm slightly disappointed in that Batman probably could've pulled out more gadgets in 10 minutes than Iron Man ever could in the entire movie, but then again, he's the motherfreagin Batman. + Show Spoiler + You have been warned+ Show Spoiler + Last chance to turn away+ Show Spoiler + Samuel L. Jackson is Colonel Nick Fury | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
EDIT : Unless what's in the spoiler is somehow a spoiler? | ||
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SIUnit
China288 Posts
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Pressure
7326 Posts
95% on rottentomatoes SICK? | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5447 Posts
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 02 2008 13:23 Pressure wrote: wow i want to watch this movie now 95% on rottentomatoes SICK? hmmm, maybe I should go see it this weekend. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20060 Posts
me and a bunch of friends were going to see it but im going out of town so it will have to wait (...unless i see it out of town!) | ||
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littlechava
United States7220 Posts
seeing this tomorrow | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
Still, can't wait. | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
 I wasn't expecting much at all tbh and was pleasantly surprised. I felt it had a nice mix of humour and action. Reminded me of how I felt after transformers. It seems to me they're really geting the hang of these comic book adaptations. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On May 02 2008 13:38 Bockit wrote: I got to see it the day before I wasn't expecting much at all tbh and was pleasantly surprised. I felt it had a nice mix of humour and action. Reminded me of how I felt after transformers. It seems to me they're really geting the hang of these comic book adaptations.It was way better than Transformers, though. I do agree that it had a nice mix of humor and action. A lot of action movies seem to be going the way of non-stop action, but they were definitely careful not to do that here. As an introductory movie, I thought it was great. Hopefully there are more to come. On May 02 2008 13:34 decafchicken wrote: i want to see it now...its been out for 34 minutes :D me and a bunch of friends were going to see it but im going out of town so it will have to wait (...unless i see it out of town!) It's definitely worth seeing, and it's only two hours long. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20060 Posts
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paper
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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bboyldy
Korea (North)664 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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taeWook
United States1367 Posts
robert downey jr was perfect for the role, and the suit... well, you just have to watch. can't wait to see war machine in the next one! theres a new dark knight trailer before the movie... what can i say, this is going to be one helluva summer for blockbusters.. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11584 Posts
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Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
Also Dark Knight trailer rocked. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On May 03 2008 03:17 ilj.psa wrote: is this movie transformer's like, just special effects. Or actually has a good plot , etc? It's definitely more than just special effects. On May 03 2008 03:49 ATeddyBear wrote: You have the wrong mindset when you're going into a transformers movie and expecting a plot. That being said, the movie (Iron Man) was great Also Dark Knight trailer rocked. Yeah it did. (The DK trailer) I can't wait for that movie. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
especially kiss kiss bang bang. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
obviously making other movies (trilogy ?) and with a very concise start | ||
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littlechava
United States7220 Posts
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clazziquai
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Iron Man is also apparently in the new hulk film too, along with nick fury. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
On May 02 2008 16:01 Hot_Bid wrote: i just saw this (cam version) and it was great, delivered all you wanted, wasn't too cheesy, and left you wanting to see more. can't wait for the second one. i will probably see it in theaters just for the special effects. what cam version and how was the quality :B? | ||
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Num
South Africa62 Posts
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uppTagg
Sweden473 Posts
Did anyone else think starcraft2 when the suit was put on? ^^ | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On May 03 2008 18:57 uppTagg wrote: + Show Spoiler + Did anyone else think starcraft2 when the suit was put on? ^^ fuck yea, he steps on the things and the suit wraps up. loololll. + Show Spoiler + wtf, he blew his identity away at the end, that was suppose to happen? | ||
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Num
South Africa62 Posts
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
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N.H
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + errrr + Show Spoiler + uhmmm + Show Spoiler + final warning + Show Spoiler + why in the hell would you say such a thing at a press con?! makes for a good sequel i guess | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
all aspects of it were great. Robert Downey Jr. better be contracted to do more cause nobody else can do that role now. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5447 Posts
Can someone spoil the scene after the credits for me? I watched it opening night and didn't know about it. Also, does Iron Man spoil his identity like that in the series? edit: by series I mean the source material (comics) | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On May 04 2008 00:50 SoleSteeler wrote: + Show Spoiler + Can someone spoil the scene after the credits for me? I watched it opening night and didn't know about it. Also, does Iron Man spoil his identity like that in the series? edit: by series I mean the source material (comics) + Show Spoiler + Yes, he does.(big comics fan here) He doesn't do it like in the movie(in the movie, he's like, "fuck it, I am iron man, comic wise, he has a real good reason) but yes, in the comics everyone knows Tony Stark is Iron Man. + Show Spoiler + And here is a youtube vid of the scene after the credits. | ||
AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
i so want that robot that gasses him ^^ | ||
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clazziquai
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I agree the suit was just like the SC2 trailer! I missed the after credits scene though, it lasted for SO damn long that I had to leave | ||
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clazziquai
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Fobbish
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
Anyway, I loved how you could see how he pieces his suit together and the sick technology. It had a great message as well. The ending was fine too, not exactly what I expected, but the main thing is he didn't die. Would love to see them make a sequel. Btw, Pepper is HOT (maybe that's why they gave her that name). | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
On May 04 2008 14:15 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: i loved the ending I saw the very very end on YouTube since I missed it =X ITS CRAZY!!!!!!!! | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On May 04 2008 03:39 Xeris wrote: apparently Robert Downey Jr. is making a cameo in the new Hulk movie as Stark. Yeah, it's going to setup the Avengers movie which is currently on hold. So far Iron man and the Hulk are on the list for the Avengers movie. The only thing I didn't like was how hey took too much time explaining how he escaped. I understand that it's suppose to to show how creative Stark is and the cause of him wanting to become a super hero, but it just felt too drawn out to me. The CGI was top notch and had some great funny scenes. I seriously can't wait to see War Machine in action in the 2nd movie since he's my top 5 favorite super heroes. Also Roberty Downey Jr. was a perfect match since if you look at him and the comic Stark they look a lot alike. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
fucking love the technical shit. | ||
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lazymej
Canada269 Posts
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On May 04 2008 17:31 lazymej wrote: Ok I saw the little clip after the credits on youtube but I really don't understand it at all. Someone explain please? + Show Spoiler + Well basically, Tony meets up with Nick Fury, director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Strategic Hazard Intervention, Espionage and Logistics Directorate, that agency with the long name) Fury came to Tony to talk about the "Avengers Initiative". Which I can only assume is an amalgan of the Avengers superhero team and the 50 state initiative. Basically, S.H.I.E.L.D. is looking to start a government sponsored superhero team, and has aproached Tony Stark about it. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On May 04 2008 17:31 lazymej wrote: Ok I saw the little clip after the credits on youtube but I really don't understand it at all. Someone explain please? BWdero got it. Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury and is trying to recruit Tony Stark into the Avengers.The Avengers is pretty much a superhero team made up of heroes like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, etc. What is crazy is that a Thor and Captain America movie is in the works. It's been said a bunch of times in this thread, but Robert Downey Jr. is going to play the role as Tony Stark again and is making a cameo in The Incredible Hulk movie, which is going out soon. So they're trying to tie in the Iron Man and Hulk movie for the Avengers. It would be insane if the Avengers movie comes out after the release of Thor and Captain America. Like after the credits of the Hulk, Thor, and Captain America there's a scene with Nick Fury like the ending with Iron Man so it sets a bridge to the Avengers film. | ||
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SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On May 05 2008 06:58 SoDrunk wrote: Just came back form seeing it. Highly recommend it. same here loved the jetshoe's kickback haha Robert Downey jr. is the perfect man for that role. | ||
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littlechava
United States7220 Posts
On May 04 2008 21:18 BWdero wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well basically, Tony meets up with Nick Fury, director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Strategic Hazard Intervention, Espionage and Logistics Directorate, that agency with the long name) Fury came to Tony to talk about the "Avengers Initiative". Which I can only assume is an amalgan of the Avengers superhero team and the 50 state initiative. Basically, S.H.I.E.L.D. is looking to start a government sponsored superhero team, and has aproached Tony Stark about it. + Show Spoiler + yeah i hope it is a cross between the avengers and the initiative, because thor/captain america/iron man/hulk and maybe spiderman and a couple others would be completely badass, but some avengers might be kinda lame - like antman/wasp might be kinda lame, but i guess they could make it work is nick fury/shield getting it's own movie? because seeing samuel l jackson in a james bond-esque role would be COMPLETELY badass | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On May 05 2008 13:07 littlechava wrote: + Show Spoiler + yeah i hope it is a cross between the avengers and the initiative, because thor/captain america/iron man/hulk and maybe is nick fury/shield getting it's own movie? because seeing samuel l jackson in a james bond-esque role would be COMPLETELY badass + Show Spoiler + Weve had enough of this+ Show Spoiler + See above spoiler | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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Smurg
Australia3818 Posts
Funniest shit that had me cracking up was when Obadiah Stane (Jeff Bridges) shouted to the scientist (after the scientist told him making the suit would be impossible) "TONY STARK MADE THIS IN A CAVE, OUT OF A BOX OF SCRAPS!" way too loudly and overacted. Instantly I thought it would be a cool internet meme. It was just hilarious for some reason. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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littlechava
United States7220 Posts
On May 06 2008 02:19 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Great movie, Robert Downey Jr. was awesome. I'm not as hyped up about the whole Avengers movement as some others are, but the idea of crossovers makes me giddy inside. yeah, crossovers are awesome i think it's kinda risky to hype it up now, theres a good chance it'll just end up sucking, but it could be awesome | ||
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hsidori
United States116 Posts
The one part that made me crack up was the moment after all the wittily crafted lines Obadiah is dropping (like "i know what you're going through"), when he just awkwardly cries, "Shit!" after seeing the Download Complete screen. I think I may be clearly missing the point or perhaps just expecting too much, but to me, Ironman was just another generic blockbuster glorified simply for the clean execution of some minute details that should be expected from films in the first place. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
We've seen way too many comic book movies of late dating back to 2002 and many of them have been complete shit, so it's refreshing to see something like this. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I don't mean that making the suit would be impossible or whatever, I mean that 1.) bullets should knock him over 2.) flying should make him black out 3.) it should hurt him horribly or maybe kill him every time he slams into shit oh and hey, what was with the tank shooting him out of the air. wtf, like a tank could just snipe down something the size of a man flying at supersonic speed | ||
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
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Xception704
United States161 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The directors really knew how to make the audience laugh: "Just say it was military testing or something ... isn't that the usual BS?" "It's not that easy ..." (screen cuts to a new scene) "Due to military testing ... " ... that was a MAJOR LOL moment. Those minor details in travis's post On May 06 2008 11:33 travis wrote: I thought it was awesome, despite the fact that the technology actually makes no sense + Show Spoiler + I don't mean that making the suit would be impossible or whatever, I mean that 1.) bullets should knock him over 2.) flying should make him black out 3.) it should hurt him horribly or maybe kill him every time he slams into shit oh and hey, what was with the tank shooting him out of the air. wtf, like a tank could just snipe down something the size of a man flying at supersonic speed were rendered minor and insignificant in the face of ... well, the pure awesomeness that is Ironman and his special effects. =) | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On May 06 2008 11:33 travis wrote: I thought it was awesome, despite the fact that the technology actually makes no sense + Show Spoiler + I don't mean that making the suit would be impossible or whatever, I mean that 1.) bullets should knock him over 2.) flying should make him black out 3.) it should hurt him horribly or maybe kill him every time he slams into shit oh and hey, what was with the tank shooting him out of the air. wtf, like a tank could just snipe down something the size of a man flying at supersonic speed + Show Spoiler + it would made sense if tank's missiles are actually tracking devises of iron which there many missiles like that already today | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
10x better than transformers imo | ||
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decafchicken
United States20060 Posts
On May 06 2008 11:49 ilj.psa wrote: + Show Spoiler + it would made sense if tank's missiles are actually tracking devises of iron which there many missiles like that already today bullets =/= missles. pointless really, the movie is still fucking bad ass. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On May 06 2008 12:06 decafchicken wrote: bullets =/= missles. pointless really, the movie is still fucking bad ass. i was talking about the tank, i dont think anyone cares anyways , it was a good movie | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On May 06 2008 11:48 Xception704 wrote: Ironman was an extremely well-made movie, in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + The directors really knew how to make the audience laugh: "Just say it was military testing or something ... isn't that the usual BS?" "It's not that easy ..." (screen cuts to a new scene) "Due to military testing ... " ... that was a MAJOR LOL moment. Those minor details in travis's post On May 06 2008 11:33 travis wrote: I thought it was awesome, despite the fact that the technology actually makes no sense + Show Spoiler + I don't mean that making the suit would be impossible or whatever, I mean that 1.) bullets should knock him over 2.) flying should make him black out 3.) it should hurt him horribly or maybe kill him every time he slams into shit oh and hey, what was with the tank shooting him out of the air. wtf, like a tank could just snipe down something the size of a man flying at supersonic speed were rendered minor and insignificant in the face of ... well, the pure awesomeness that is Ironman and his special effects. =) ROFL I agree! Terrence and Robert had all the best funny lines. Like the part when Stark was trying to get Rhodey to drink and he's like "no I won't" then the next scene you see him kinda drunk with a stripper pole extending from the ceiling. LOL | ||
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masami.sc
United States445 Posts
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PissedOffEmo
Canada777 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
him putting on the suit + Show Spoiler + reminded me of SC2 also lol | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
What they need to do is just take 10 of the best iron man comics, throw them in a box and pick one out and make it into a movie. Fuck explaining how he built the suit (which isn't even true to the comics), Fuck this whole terrorist element, fuck the Tony Stark dynamic of millionare to selfless hero. Of course iron man can take out some shitty taliban, lets see him take out some other super villains who are actually a real match. On top of all this there is tons of stupid shit in the movie that is just filler and instead should be used for random action. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On the plus side, now Ghostface Killa has a bunch of new samples to work into his songs. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Marvel today updated its feature film slate strategy and plans for the next three years, locking in key release windows for its character franchises. In order to focus its attention on maximizing the success of an Iron Man sequel and the launch of Thor in the summer of 2010 and because Marvel believes that the summer is the optimal time to launch a new property, the Company will not release a self produced film in 2009. Marvel plans to launch its 2010 film slate with the release of the sequel, Iron Man 2, on April 30, 2010, followed by the launch of Thor on June 4, 2010. Additionally, Marvel is planting its feature film stakes for summer 2011 with an Avengers-themed summer – a two-picture project which will debut on May 6, 2011 with The First Avenger: Captain America (working title), followed by The Avengers in July 2011. That is from an official report. Oh and here are a few ideas being thrown around about the sequel from a credible source (found a link from RT) + Show Spoiler + Marvel Studios made it official yesterday, announcing that Iron Man 2 is now a sure thing. That means it’s time to start thinking about what direction they’ll go for the sequel, and don’t think for a minute that Marvel doesn’t already have plans. Tonight I got a message from a long time friend of the site, and one of our most spot on, regular scoopers. She’s had her ears out, and tells us she knows some of the things currently being considered for the next Iron Man movie. Apparently the Samuel L. Jackson cameo after the credits in Iron Man wasn’t just a throwaway. Our scooper says his Nick Fury character will figure prominently into the next movie. One of the plot lines being pushed for the sequel has Jackson’s Nick Fury character enlisting the help of Tony Stark in going after a terrorist called The Mandarin. If you know anything about Iron Man outside the movie, then you know that The Mandarin is one of his most notorious villains. The movie actually alludes to him. The terrorist group which captures Tony Stark at the beginning of the film is named “The Ten Rings”, a reference to the ten rings of power the Mandarin seeks in the comics. We don’t know if the ten rings will still be a part of the character, but our scooper does say he’ll “have a monster at his disposal by the name of Fin Fang Foom.” That might be a nice change of pace. Give Iron Man something to fight besides his mirror image in a bigger suit. Meanwhile Fin Fang Foom also plays a role in Iron Man comic lore. In the comics, he’s an extraterrestrial dragon. In addition to new bad guys, our source says they may be planning to involve other superheroes in the film. Maybe in the form of the cameo Iron Man is supposed to do later this summer in The Incredible Hulk. Chief among those is Thor, who may show up in more than just a cameo, possibly helping Iron Man. Thor has his own movie coming out the same summer Iron Man 2 hits, so that makes a certain kind of sense. It would be a way for Marvel to get people interested in a superhero franchise which, really isn’t as high-profile. Other possible superhero cameos include Hawkeye and Black Widow. While our source for this is tried and true, please keep in mind that none of this is final yet. It’s still very very early in the Iron Man 2 production phase. With no script yet, anything could change, and with Iron Man 2 not being released till 2010, we’re going to have plenty of time to talk about it. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
was decent. but transformer was better imo. | ||
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veryhotpink
China103 Posts
so im surprised everyone is saying how awesome it is!! | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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sutureself
United States192 Posts
On May 06 2008 18:58 CharlieMurphy wrote: Oh yea and, a black man for Nick Fury was the only funny part in the movie. On the plus side, now Ghostface Killa has a bunch of new samples to work into his songs. In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Nick Fury is not only black, but drawn intentionally to look like Samuel L. Jackson... | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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bboyldy
Korea (North)664 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On May 09 2008 15:42 sutureself wrote: In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Nick Fury is not only black, but drawn intentionally to look like Samuel L. Jackson... Is that the brand new series where Iron Man and his band are versus Captain America and his band? Pretty lame. PS- I wonder why they started to all the sudden make him black... Nick Fury was always a white dude, I even have the Overpower cards. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
but then, i guess my criticisms apply to every single comic book adaptation except Watchman. every single comic book, for that matter. i guess it's a matter of personal taste :\. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
how the fuck do you not notice the guy is building a suit of armor, and not a missile? was it the glowing ring on his chest? does it have secret powers of hypnosis? | ||
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
It doesn't seem like you're at all familiar with the comic book either if you think the character was one-dimensional. First off, if you're a billionaire genius since you were 5 years old, you're going to be cocky. Robert Downey Jr. pulled off Tony Stark better than the freakin comic book one! That's the first adaptation I've seen where the acting didn't just do the comic justice, it did it BETTER. On top of that, you disregard the fact Tony Stark did change. He changed his company, he tried to take it in a new direction, he even had a brief moment where tension between him and Pepper Potts goes through the roof. Then again, I guess you're looking for some kind of melodramatic breakdown where Tony Stark becomes a flower-picking born-again Christian and totally repents his evil ways. Obediah wasn't a spectacular villian, but this movie wasn't about some epic clash between good and evil. The story was about Tony Stark's invention of the Iron Man suit. There's 4 different aspects to stories when it comes to SF/Fantasy. It's an acronym called MICE. Milieu, Idea, Character, and Event. The movie Iron Man was based more on idea and event, with a strong smattering of milieu and character. It's not always necessary to go full bore on all four aspects to create a good movie. Btw, the black guy is War Machine, and he's a major easter egg for Iron Man fans. And I'd advise you get off your intellectual high horse because a lot of these comics are quite good. Especially X-men and Iron Man. Watchman, on the other hand, feels like nothing but blatant preaching of left-wing ideals and societal commentary that feels elementary in its execution. In fact, Watchman owes most of its existence to the original comic characters, because it's mostly just a post-modern inversion of them. In my opinion, the author of Watchman is too in love with trying to be deep and philosophical and shies away from actually saying anything by just presenting the entire gamut of philosophies. It's a nice attempt, but to me I felt like he was recycling ideas any intelligent human being is already aware of. But I guess it's a matter of personal taste. And the script is far from shitty. If you can do better, I'd love to see. | ||
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Hot_Bid
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
hold your horses, don't take it so personal. i could get all mean and suggest you're an illiterate tard who hasn't read a book in his life that didn't have pictures, but i won't. because i'm not that kind of guy. As for your post, we need to get something clear: No, punchlines do not a good movie make. Nor do references to pop culture. I'll admit the movie was "good" in that sense. It had a lot of polish and Downey is a fine actor, and it was funny. There were some very witty moments, and ya, some of the action was pretty enjoyable. It scored above average on "milieu", mmk? The movie's problem is with the characters. First though, this thing about needing to have read the comic book is ridiculous. The fact that I haven't read the original should give me more credibility as a critic. I'm not biased for or against it (actually I was looking forward to seeing it), and I don't have the benefit of knowing the characters already. I'm not a fanboy, and I can judge the movie for what it is. What it is was a smattering of cute scenes, punchlines, and pretty graphics tied together by an abominable story. It fails completely at the one thing you say it's supposed to do: characterization. Downey's moral turnaround is cliche and completely pretentious. Sure, he stops selling weapons and decides to be a superhero, but there is nothing in his persona that reflects this change. He's still pretty much an smartass to everybody. The script is terrible because it doesn't know when to stop being witty. Like that scene after his friend dies? It's like he feels bad the guy is dying but he doesn't really care too much so he says some typical filler shit because he feels it's appropriate. It doesn't help that Downey delivers this part just like every other line in the movie: offhanded and uncaring. He doesn't say anything the rest of the movie that suggests any kind of hurt or fallibility as a person. The other characters, like I said, were throwaways. I don't care if they're in the comic book. Every minute I'm sitting there listening to people I don't care about talk about things I don't care about and distracting me from the action, I like the movie less. It doesn't help that the plot is totally arbitrary and boring. Like the fact that the villain comes out of nowhere. And that it's completely predictable, and that everything that happens is a setup for the next action scene, without any sense of cohesion. Ya, Watchmen had its flaws. The ending was tacky, and the philosophizing was a little too much. But where it succeeded where most books in the medium don't even bother to try is in characterization. The people behave like human beings, have flaws like human beings, talk like human beings. The plot was a little flimsy, but it all came together in the end. It wasn't all arbitrary. You wanna talk about presentation? Just flip to the first page: You have Alan Moore writing about blood in the gutters as the "camera" flys up out of a closeup of the comedian's own blood right up into the office window where he was thrown out of. Now THAT is beautiful presentation. Fuck man, it really makes me sad that people think good directing and cinematography is when there's a lot of visual punchlines. And the script is far from shitty. If you can do better, I'd love to see. It's not my job to write scripts for shitty comic book adaptations. Seriously, your post pissed me off with your attitude. I was just posting my views on the movie, and you come in here acting like I'd just made fun of your mother. Fuck off, twat. | ||
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
On May 27 2008 12:51 EGoldman wrote: Ahrara, sorry but if you haven't read the comic book, you might not want to go nuts with the critiquing. The good parts of the movie had very little to do with special effects and a LOT to do with the delivery and characterization. The way Tony Stark was introduced at the awards ceremony with a promo video was SPOT ON and just hilarious. The way pop culture was infused into the movie was fun, immersive, and made the audience feel like Iron Man existed in OUR world. It doesn't seem like you're at all familiar with the comic book either if you think the character was one-dimensional. First off, if you're a billionaire genius since you were 5 years old, you're going to be cocky. Robert Downey Jr. pulled off Tony Stark better than the freakin comic book one! That's the first adaptation I've seen where the acting didn't just do the comic justice, it did it BETTER. On top of that, you disregard the fact Tony Stark did change. He changed his company, he tried to take it in a new direction, he even had a brief moment where tension between him and Pepper Potts goes through the roof. Then again, I guess you're looking for some kind of melodramatic breakdown where Tony Stark becomes a flower-picking born-again Christian and totally repents his evil ways. Obediah wasn't a spectacular villian, but this movie wasn't about some epic clash between good and evil. The story was about Tony Stark's invention of the Iron Man suit. There's 4 different aspects to stories when it comes to SF/Fantasy. It's an acronym called MICE. Milieu, Idea, Character, and Event. The movie Iron Man was based more on idea and event, with a strong smattering of milieu and character. It's not always necessary to go full bore on all four aspects to create a good movie. Btw, the black guy is War Machine, and he's a major easter egg for Iron Man fans. And I'd advise you get off your intellectual high horse because a lot of these comics are quite good. Especially X-men and Iron Man. Watchman, on the other hand, feels like nothing but blatant preaching of left-wing ideals and societal commentary that feels elementary in its execution. In fact, Watchman owes most of its existence to the original comic characters, because it's mostly just a post-modern inversion of them. In my opinion, the author of Watchman is too in love with trying to be deep and philosophical and shies away from actually saying anything by just presenting the entire gamut of philosophies. It's a nice attempt, but to me I felt like he was recycling ideas any intelligent human being is already aware of. But I guess it's a matter of personal taste. And the script is far from shitty. If you can do better, I'd love to see. So true so true, Iron man, spiderman2 and maybe batman begins are awesome comic adaptations. But since whether or not something is good or bad is completely relative there is no point in arguing... I say the movie is good because it is able to satisfy a vast majority of the population's expectations. ps. how the heck you guys saw watchmen already? isn't that suppose to come out in 2009? | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On May 06 2008 11:48 Xception704 wrote: Ironman was an extremely well-made movie, in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + The directors really knew how to make the audience laugh: "Just say it was military testing or something ... isn't that the usual BS?" "It's not that easy ..." (screen cuts to a new scene) "Due to military testing ... " ... that was a MAJOR LOL moment. Those minor details in travis's post On May 06 2008 11:33 travis wrote: I thought it was awesome, despite the fact that the technology actually makes no sense + Show Spoiler + I don't mean that making the suit would be impossible or whatever, I mean that 1.) bullets should knock him over 2.) flying should make him black out 3.) it should hurt him horribly or maybe kill him every time he slams into shit oh and hey, what was with the tank shooting him out of the air. wtf, like a tank could just snipe down something the size of a man flying at supersonic speed were rendered minor and insignificant in the face of ... well, the pure awesomeness that is Ironman and his special effects. =) Don't forget how he falls through his roof after his first flight test, yet somehow stands on glass at the end when hes fighting on the roof top. oh well, great great great movie, his personaltiy MADE it, the next one should be even better imo. That one will probably have better action. This one had a crappy villain and not much fighting and i hope they fix that in the next one. Just make sure you leave in the tony stark personality, all in all a great movie with the potential for an even BETTER sequal. Unless hollywood fucks this one too. | ||
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I didn't really like how there wasn't an epic clash between Stark and Obediah. At the end it was pretty much a weakened Stark that had to outsmart Obediah, not really fighting headon. Hopefully they'll fix this in the next one. And how the hell did a weakened Stark and Pepper survive the blast but not Obediah??? | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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Lobotomy
United States300 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On May 27 2008 13:58 Umbrella wrote: This movie was awesome but near the end + Show Spoiler + I didn't really like how there wasn't an epic clash between Stark and Obediah. At the end it was pretty much a weakened Stark that had to outsmart Obediah, not really fighting headon. Hopefully they'll fix this in the next one. And how the hell did a weakened Stark and Pepper survive the blast but not Obediah??? That's how it normally goes. Just to show wits > brute force ~~ It's a common theme and should be more so in IRON man as he's protrayed as a clever character. | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On May 27 2008 11:13 ahrara_ wrote: sorry for bumping an old topic, but i finally got around to seeing this tonight. did anybody else feel underwhelmed? the special effects were great but well, a lot of movies today have great special effects. robert downing jr is a great actor, and he was very funny at parts, but he was completely one dimensional in this movie. it was always the same very downplayed and sharp-tongued delivery, and it made his character seem totally unrealistic. it's like he wasn't capable of feeling any emotion except cockiness. also, obediah or whatever his name is, is a seriously boring villain. until halfway through the movie he's basically a minor character (like the black guy) then all of a sudden he's the big bad evil dude? i could've cared less that he was defeated *yawn*. and the black guy, the movie would still make good sense if you removed every scene he was in. actually, you could say that for about pretty much every character. you can say this was one of those "you had to see the original" movies, but seriously, that's no excuse for a shitty script. but then, i guess my criticisms apply to every single comic book adaptation except Watchman. every single comic book, for that matter. i guess it's a matter of personal taste :\. Hmm... I disagree with your reading of the movie, though whether you like it or not is certainly a matter of personal taste. And I don't think just because a movie is "true to the comic" it should be considered a good movie either. 1. I agree that the special effects were not that important. 2. I don't think the character of Ironman is one dimensional. He starts out as an arrogant ass. After Afghanistan, on the surface he's still an arrogant ass, but the look on his face when he sees the "proof that Tony Stark has a heart" thingy shows that he has another side. The important thing in a story is that the main character learns something and changes in a believable manner. These two criteria have been satisfied, so on that count I think the character moves the plot along fine. To sum up, he changes from arrogant ass to arrogant ass on the surface with a very real, very strong streak of humility and reponsibility inside. 3. I disagree that the bad guy is a let down. His motivation is that he's always in Stark's shadow, so an unfortunate side effect of portraying this is not giving him a huge amount of screentime. But the portrayal comes from a combination of subtle things. Basically, you've got a young Tony Stark treating an older Obidiah like a servant. I do agree, however, that they could have played up his character more... maybe even to get the audience to sympathise with him. But that would have added to an already packed movie. I found him okay, but I'll admit I wasn't blown away by him. 4. I agree that the black guy could have been removed completely. However, he didn't make the movie worse while setting up for a sequel, and that's the important thing! Seriously though, he does have some purpose in the movie: a. He helps us see how alone Tony Stark is when he changes the direction of his company. Tony Stark is generally alone in his basement anyway, so the message doesn't come through well until the black guy, who is supposed to be his friend, gives him the cold shoulder. b. He comes to understand Tony Stark's mission to change the world. I think we're all intelligent enough to know that one Ironman cannot solve all our problems. But when the black guy (this is how minor he is, I cannot even remember his name), a high ranking military official, starts to understand what Tony Stark is trying to say, it brings Tony Stark's vision closer to realisation. 5. I just like the irony of it all - the more human Tony Stark becomes, the more robotic his appearance. Upon his first realisation, he gets a chestpiece. Then as he becomes more and more human, he makes modifications to his suit. It's like the opposite of Star Wars. 6. I really like the use of flashback. Classic technique which should be used more often - start with something exciting from the middle and flashback to the boring bits at the beginning. Too many films have these long, rambling beginnings, and to salvage it they throw in some random action sequence. On the count of pacing I think Ironman is really, really good. Ultimately, a good superhero movie has to INSPIRE. I think Spiderman has tried to do that (not very successfully) and so has X-men (more successfully). The message has to be "here's this hero, here he is busting crime, but he can't solve all our problems. We have to do that for ourselves." I think Ironman, by emphasising responsibility and humanity over the iron suit, is moving in the right direction. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
On May 27 2008 13:38 ahrara_ wrote: What it is was a smattering of cute scenes, punchlines, and pretty graphics tied together by an abominable story. It fails completely at the one thing you say it's supposed to do: characterization. Downey's moral turnaround is cliche and completely pretentious. Sure, he stops selling weapons and decides to be a superhero, but there is nothing in his persona that reflects this change. He's still pretty much an smartass to everybody. The script is terrible because it doesn't know when to stop being witty. Like that scene after his friend dies? It's like he feels bad the guy is dying but he doesn't really care too much so he says some typical filler shit because he feels it's appropriate. It doesn't help that Downey delivers this part just like every other line in the movie: offhanded and uncaring. He doesn't say anything the rest of the movie that suggests any kind of hurt or fallibility as a person. Tony Stark is a flawed human/hero (womanizer, alcoholic, depression). I think the movie painted him in too good of a light for hollywood purposes. The character is very deep. The most common trademark of Tony Stark is his smartass facade. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
If you want a chick flick, where you can get weepy and feel emotive toward the character, go watch a Julia Roberts film. You can lactate all you want there. And you can pop off with the invectives all you like, but what you are is an armchair critic that's in the vast minority on this opinion. You can keep your 400 afghani and keep your mouth shut. Thanks. If anything, it's your own smarmy, condescending attitude that's more annoying than anything. Sorry, but pseudo-intellectuals annoy me. Especially ones that use antiquated syntax and think that somehow makes them look like a blue-blooded Ivy Leaguer. And insult me all you like, I'm a published writer. I'm used to the criticism . | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
I'm not arguing that every movie has to have deeply developed characters. You can never get to know the characters but still appreciate a movie. But that's not the case with Stark because all these things some of the other posters have been mentioning -- the personal flaws, his problems with pepper -- they're all glossed over in the movie. All you get is the tip of the iceberg of his personal conflicts. That's fine, if the rest of the movie wasn't just a series of action scenes thrown together sloppily. I love the part where you mention you're a published writer. I didn't know we were comparing the size of our penises. But since you went down that road, I have to ask, what kind of writer criticizes someone else's grammar while using redundant phrases like "literary work of art" and making usage errors like "emotive" and "lactate". Seriously, "lactate"? You realize that means to produce milk from my tits? What does it have to do with anything? If you're that shitty of a writer and you're really "published", I'm not surprised at all that you're used to criticism. Can you even tell me what's so antiquated about my syntax, or is that just a phrase you picked up from your editors and it makes you feel good to use it on others? Please Christ you childish fuck. I've been in school long enough to know that "published" is more often a dressed up word for "i have a blog" or "my poetry is available in POD" or "i write for a shitty niche magazine". You can criticize my writing if you want, but I never claimed to be an expert, or a "blue blooded ivy-leaguer". Your own insecurity is why you perceive it that way. edit Just because I know this will totally rile you up: You should realize that you're in way over your head here. Just the fact that you think MICE refers to just fantasy/sci-fi tells me how little you know about what you're talking about. Claiming ignorance doesn't win you arguments. Take your anti-intellectualism to 4chan or something, where people care. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
ps. how the heck you guys saw watchmen already? isn't that suppose to come out in 2009? Ya, sorry, I was referring to the comic book. I'm not too excited about the movie, because I have a hard time believing they'll do a good job of translating the slow pace of the comic book to film. They'll probably try to shoot it like some kind of philosophical thriller and fail badly. I just don't know how all the exposition in the book can be made to work in the movie... especially the ending. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On May 28 2008 04:06 ahrara_ wrote: Ya, sorry, I was referring to the comic book. I'm not too excited about the movie, because I have a hard time believing they'll do a good job of translating the slow pace of the comic book to film. They'll probably try to shoot it like some kind of philosophical thriller and fail badly. I just don't know how all the exposition in the book can be made to work in the movie... especially the ending. Lol yeah I don't really want to see how Hollywood botches the end of Watchman... although I thought the ending was already botched | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
On May 09 2008 15:42 sutureself wrote: The authors of The Ultimates said that they did the first arc movie-like. I wouldn't be surprised if the first Avengers movie has a similar storyline (of course it can't have the same one, since Hulk gets his power from a different source)In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Nick Fury is not only black, but drawn intentionally to look like Samuel L. Jackson... | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
ahara wrote: I love the part where you mention you're a published writer. I didn't know we were comparing the size of our penises. But since you went down that road, I have to ask, what kind of writer criticizes someone else's grammar while using redundant phrases like "literary work of art" and making usage errors like "emotive" and "lactate". Seriously, "lactate"? You realize that means to produce milk from my tits? What does it have to do with anything? If you're that shitty of a writer and you're really "published", I'm not surprised at all that you're used to criticism. Can you even tell me what's so antiquated about my syntax, or is that just a phrase you picked up from your editors and it makes you feel good to use it on others? I am laughing so hard right now I think I just tore a lung in half and allowed several litres of air into my bloodstream while my body is pumping adrenaline into my face to keep me alive while I laugh. Because, you know, human physiology works that way. Kind of like SYNTAX AMIRITE. I just read this: Take your anti-intellectualism to 4chan or something, where people care. Oh lord I could not be having any more fun right now, this is seriously better than listening to "Rock Me Amadeus" while blasted or watching Lucky Star while naked or some crazy awesome shit. | ||
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