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theaxis12
United States489 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
On September 24 2013 13:50 Volband wrote: You obviously don't care about continuity (and many other things alongside that), so I won't mention that, even though you sounds like this to me: 'I always liked how Dexter dressed, and he dressed the same way at the end, so it's perfect", which is understandable for you if you like how he dresses, but... ANYWAY, how on Earth can you say it made sense that he wanted to suicide? Harrison was everything to him, and he's been through too many shit to give up on him, and the possibility of a new life. Nothing indicated prior to the final episode, that Dexter would be fine putting his son's life in Hannah's hands. Deb was in danger in almost every season, Rita was murdered with cold-blood, his father suicided, etc. It's been there all along, Dexter had to know by the end of season 4 that what does hurts everyone around him, Debra's death was nothing new. Why would he call it quits now? Does he think that's what Debra wanted? That's how he thinks he should honor her sister's death? No fucking way, Dexter is a smart man. Yes, his mind might've been clouded with desperate thoughts, but his sister's biggest joy would've been if her brother's had a normal life with his family. I don't know what you've been watching in the past 8 or so years, but if you think suiciding was the perfect choice, you should revisit the whole series. Also, what is the message to us, viewers? If you are different, and it takes a toll on the ones who surrounds you, then you should suicide, or at the very least run far, far away? Like, really? That's just fucked up, especially all the "I changed, I changed" talk. Happy Birthday. Thats the thing. Dexter was TRYING to change, he hadn't CHANGED. Dexter was the same old Dexter with new 'accommodations'. His tie to Deb was the teh thing that was always there and never changed, even when Deb hated him. Dexter felt responsible for the death of Deb, he realized he was STILL a danger to loved ones even tho he had been TRYING to change. Suicide also happened in Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, where one felt responsible for the others death. It is not a new concept. I think his feelings of failing his sister outweighed what he thought his sister would want him to do. Thanks for saying Happy Birthday, most kind.  | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
-Deb's existentialist affirmation of life in her dying moments was incredible. Her escapism, denial and total refusal to accept any responsibility for her actions are finally gone. Brought to you by Quinn of all people. -Dexter is also existentialist when he gives up his code. Dexter staged his own death to prevent hannah and everyone else from searching for him. He's in serial killer detox. The lumberjack setting suggests pretty strongly that it's a new beginning instead of a continuation of his previous killer life. Instead of vogel's utilitarianism where he "does good" in the balance of things... he gets to redefine himself and do what's best for the things that are important to him. It's selfish and egoist in the best way. -Nice social commentary on euthanasia, religion. My 2c reactions. | ||
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Singer
11 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ meanwhile Batista and Miller team up to stop Miami's newest serial killer.... MECHA DOAKES! Can we please stop with this Mecha Doakes bullshit, it stopped being funny several months ago. | ||
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ne0lith
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:35 Volband wrote: Chill. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. I certainly could, and not just any better, but much much better. Didn't watch it, but if you say so, then I don't believe you. Now-now, I doubt any of us had written any script or episode of a TV show, but if the quality of Dexter's Season 8's plot and writing is acceptable, then I should be a very very rich man, with tons of job offers from the US. My privately crafted (half) stories have a much higher quality, than this - though it doesn't mean too much, really, lol. Yeah, i guess everyone who is not a writer/scripter for a TV show is mad, but it only comes out at the last season of every show. Okay. I can try pretending that it makes any sense, but it does not. You are right about one thing - it must be a coincidence - : the very last season for most of the shows tend to be controversial, but you never really find a series, where 98% of the viewers agree, that it's fucking bad. Sure, everyone has his/her own ideal ending, and if they don't get that, or they don't get answers or revelations they were hoping so ,they get disappointed, but Season 8 of this shit is something very different. What the fuck does it have to do with anything? If it's not real, why do you even watch it? To waste 46 minutes from your life after each episode? Or to enjoy it while you jump to that world for 46 minutes? Because if the latter, then why do you act surprised, if people get angry, when they suddenly not enjoying the show, because some half-assed writers ruining it for them? It depends what their best is, lol. If you meant "if they would've made an actually decent last season", then no, we wouldn't have hated it. Well, some of us surely, but you can't please everyone. Howewer, pleasing almost no one is the real issue right here. Haha, probably not, haha. You're retarded. Yes you are. User was temp banned for this post + history | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:12 HawaiianPig wrote: I'll just quote the AVclub for this one: Haha, clever. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Everyone feels retired after this shit, me included. Yes do you see I said retired and not retarded? I wanted you to faceroll, which I hope you do now. This kind of sums up the stupidity of Dexter. If anyone sniffs out that these writers ever touches a TV show again, I hope TL is going to alert us all on this, to save us. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
byebye, pretentious and naive clown | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:12 HawaiianPig wrote: I'll just quote the AVclub for this one: would you happen to have written any death threat letters lately? Because this crusade against Dexter is really mad. I am not a fan of Dexter for it's flaws. I am fan of Dexter for its merits. Its first 4 seasons. On September 24 2013 07:55 NonY wrote: kill scene was fun. everything else was bad. i like the idea of convincing the audience that dexter is capable of becoming normal and happy, and dexter even convincing himself and deb and hannah too, and then a series of unfortunate events ruins it all at the last moment. classic tragedy. but the execution was absolutely terrible. like, really really terrible. I'd like to quote this well respected in these parts man because i think that's spot on. The ending wasnt ALL that bad, it's mostly the execution that suffered. Especially since I see people offering almost identical(but slightly bit worse) endings(that guy on youtube for example) and everyone calls them genius. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
In the end, it was still enjoyable to spend an hour a week watching it, so I'm not bitter or anything. Now I can forget about this show and keep my attention rightfully on what matters (Breaking Bad). | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:39 Parcelleus wrote: Thats the thing. Dexter was TRYING to change, he hadn't CHANGED. Dexter was the same old Dexter with new 'accommodations'. His tie to Deb was the teh thing that was always there and never changed, even when Deb hated him. Dexter felt responsible for the death of Deb, he realized he was STILL a danger to loved ones even tho he had been TRYING to change. Suicide also happened in Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, where one felt responsible for the others death. It is not a new concept. I think his feelings of failing his sister outweighed what he thought his sister would want him to do. Thanks for saying Happy Birthday, most kind. It was shown throughout the series that Dexter can change, though he never really wanted to. He was toying with the idea "could i...?", but prior to the 8th season he never really foreshadowed it, like "omg, I'm changin'!", he was always the last to know about it, like when he realizes that he cares about some people (Debra, Rita, Harrison). It's just not true he can't change, he just can't be normal, but it was obvious from the beginning. Also, the death toll was because of his Dark Passenger, he was planning to leave behind once and for all. Dexter is this (II) close to try to live without his Dark Passenger ---> Dark Passenger gets Debra killed --> He suicides, because his Dark Passenger gets people die around him. What? I'm not saying it can't be explained, because if you say he was in such a shock, and so many things happened in such a short period of time, and he got very desperate, etc etc, no one can really say his suicide was totally out of the box, but! Debra wasn't the single most important thing in his life, and that's one of the reasons I felt a bit cheated by the show, because first they completely erased Rita, and now Harrison. Rita meant so much for Dexter, and it was great to see him going crazy in s05e01 in the toilet, but that was all. In rare occasions we got some "Oh, Rita... yeah" scenes, but compare it to this finale: DebraDebraDebraDebraDebra, please! I don't think anyone can doubt, that the most influential people in his life were: Harry (essentially saving his life not once, but twice), Rita (she unlocked so much emotion in Dexter, which he never even dreamed of having, and she was the first person in his life he chose to care about; people don't realize how big this is), Debra (the strongest foundation in his life, someone he could always care about as she was his sister, thus keeping his initially quite small human part alive), and Harrison. In hindsight, Rita's treatment was fucking outrageous (not talking about her death), and now the same with Harrison. I was convinced he had to die, so I would've been fine with that, but this felt so rushed - yes, big respect for Debra, but a big giant middle finger to everyone else. And as I mentioned, I'm pretty sure Debra was shot in every season, not to mention being on the ITK's killing desk, and such. Rita never got threatened, Dexter honestly believed they are safe - BOOM, no they are not - Dexter forgets it, who cares about Rita anyway! Debra's life was always on the line, and most of the time because of Dex. Hell, I even thought Elway was the brain surgeon, because Debra's life become so frickin miserable thanks to Dexter, that it wouldn't have been surprising. - After the 100th injury caused by Dexter, she finally dies - OMG, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN, I NEVER SEEN IT COMING, I GOTTA KILL MYSELF! You see, it's just not right. I liked the parts with Debra in the finale, and they could get away with Dexter finishing her life and burying her in the sea - at least fucking Quinn can't be there, haha! - in my book, but the suicide was just plain uncalled for after the previous seasons. Also, what would Deb say, if she knew about this? 1. "Thank you Dex, you did good. You are a monster indeed who will never change, so please, kill yourself over and over again, I will be so happy that my brother is dead! Seriously, that's what I always wanted: you to die, once I'm gone." 2. "You fucking piece shit, fuck you, think about your son, what kind of a fucking father you are?! And what about the ones who have fallen along the way? Do you want their deaths to be in vain? Do you not care about you and Rita's child? Didn't you just fucking find your perfect match in Hannah? She's your fucking soulmate Dexter, psychopaths doesn't really have those, but the two of you are fucked up in a way, that you have! Dad gave his fucking life, just so you can survive this fucking world, and you've been there for me all the time, if it hadn't been for you, I would've given up a long time ago, but it was you who gave me strength, I always looked up to you. And you are not the man who fucking pussies out, when shit hits the fan. Do you know what I would've fucking done if the table's were turned? After I stopped crying and drinking for 2 straight months, I would fucking look at a picture of you and me, smiling like fucking idiots, and then I would do everything to ensure, the name "Morgan" will never ever ever be fucking forgotten. I'd achieve everything, but not for me; for both of us. I learned a lot from you, and I always loved you - sometimes too fucking much, but you know what I'm talking about, and I will always do. Raising Harrison will be the least I could do for you (and me), and I will remind him every single fucking day that his dad was a goddamn hero." And then I didn't even talk about lumberjack Dex, which is like wtf - do they even know there won't be a 9th season, or what's with that? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 24 2013 14:39 Parcelleus wrote: Thats the thing. Dexter was TRYING to change, he hadn't CHANGED. Dexter was the same old Dexter with new 'accommodations'. His tie to Deb was the teh thing that was always there and never changed, even when Deb hated him. Dexter felt responsible for the death of Deb, he realized he was STILL a danger to loved ones even tho he had been TRYING to change. Suicide also happened in Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, where one felt responsible for the others death. It is not a new concept. I think his feelings of failing his sister outweighed what he thought his sister would want him to do. Thanks for saying Happy Birthday, most kind. Didn't the 2nd to last episode end with Dexter not feeling the NEED to kill anymore? Didn't his dark passenger vanish with Harry? Dexter was responsible for ruining the lives of those close to him, but it was because he NEEDED to kill. Without that need anymore, the people he cares about will no longer be in danger. Why does he have to go into seclusion? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
Yes, the ending is that bad folks. She says some bullshit about he went into seclusion as some sort of punishment on himself for being 'human' and dealing with the pain he causes his loved ones (deb). I'm not making this up, it's that bad. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On September 25 2013 01:48 crms wrote: The lead producer of the show confirmed that Dexter no longer has his dark passenger in the lumberjack scene. She says the viewer should know this because 1) dexter didn't have to kill Saxon, 2) When they show Dexter as a lumberjack there is no inner monologue speaking to us. Yes, the ending is that bad folks. She says some bullshit about he went into seclusion as some sort of punishment on himself for being 'human' and dealing with the pain he causes his loved ones (deb). I'm not making this up, it's that bad. Wait, are they implying the inner monologue was the Dark Passenger ? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 24 2013 16:45 Singer wrote: Can we please stop with this Mecha Doakes bullshit, it stopped being funny several months ago. How about Optimus Mitchell instead? | ||
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