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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 21:04:38
September 23 2013 20:41 GMT
#6701
On September 24 2013 05:28 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 05:18 HawaiianPig wrote:
Okay guys here we go:



There's the real season 8. Done.

This guy is a genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl407-PZa3k
I think I'm just going to pretend that this is how season 8 went. Not perfect, but certainly much better than what the writers came up with, and it would have been a satisfying conclusion over all.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 20:44:35
September 23 2013 20:42 GMT
#6702
On September 24 2013 05:21 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 04:57 micronesia wrote:
On September 24 2013 04:56 Nyxisto wrote:
I do notice that the "You are all so overly critical" fraction is awfully quiet today

But seriously, a lumberjack?

Some people are definitely exaggerating with some of their complaints, but what the series ultimately did was not able to make the series worth finishing in the end. I normally don't recommend this for a show, but I could totally agree with someone suggesting new viewers stick to only the first few seasons.

edit: and the crap job Dexter ends up with isn't exactly relevant... laugh all you want but it didn't ruin the show


It's not about the crap job or life. It's just that it makes no sense whatsoever. A lumberjack? He went into the eye of a storm and survived, even though his ship was totally wrecked?
Well these are two different things. I wasn't commenting regarding people saying "how did he survive?" I was responding to people making a big deal about the fact that the job he ends up doing after surviving is a lumberjack. If he had been in some other seemingly less random job would it have really mattered? It's obviously besides the point.
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Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
September 23 2013 21:01 GMT
#6703
terrible writing
terrible directing
terrible acting

cant believe i watched every single episode of this.
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
September 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#6704
On September 24 2013 05:41 karazax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 05:28 moopie wrote:
On September 24 2013 05:18 HawaiianPig wrote:
Okay guys here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl407-PZa3k

There's the real season 8. Done.

This guy is a genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl407-PZa3k
I think I'm just going to pretend that this is how season 8 went. Not perfect, but certainly much better than what the writers came up with, and it would have been a satisfying conclusion over all.

great plot but the ending is essentially the same - cheap "twist."
balls have to be had, Dexter should've(probably) get caught or escape. Not both.

Also it irks me way more than it should but debra downgrades? Who the hell skips denial or avoidance and goes "that buck an hour less in pay is just the right amount of self loathing for me"
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
September 23 2013 21:54 GMT
#6705
You know who would have made the perfect final serial killer?

Not some baby-faced pretty boy fashion model, but this guy:

Robert fucking Knepper.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
September 23 2013 21:58 GMT
#6706
I guess Dexter is a good swimmer. jesus what a shitty ending. Writers needs to be reminded that there is nothing wrong with an happy ending.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
September 23 2013 21:59 GMT
#6707
On September 24 2013 05:18 HawaiianPig wrote:
Okay guys here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl407-PZa3k

There's the real season 8. Done.

Embedding disabled by request

Who actually does this shit?
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
September 23 2013 22:21 GMT
#6708
What in the actual world was that ending?

The worst finale ever.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
September 23 2013 22:31 GMT
#6709
I'm gonna watch The Wire's finale to wash my brain from so much mediocrity.
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
September 23 2013 22:32 GMT
#6710
I cant believe how bad this was ..
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
September 23 2013 22:38 GMT
#6711
What a shitty ending. I can't believe I watched it. Sigh.
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
September 23 2013 22:42 GMT
#6712
Dexter ends with the start of a Wolverine movie.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#6713
kill scene was fun. everything else was bad. i like the idea of convincing the audience that dexter is capable of becoming normal and happy, and dexter even convincing himself and deb and hannah too, and then a series of unfortunate events ruins it all at the last moment. classic tragedy. but the execution was absolutely terrible. like, really really terrible.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
rapture
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany645 Posts
September 23 2013 23:07 GMT
#6714
Oh my god , I'm just glad we are done.

What was once my favourite tv-series (my first series I REALLY got hyped about) degenerated over the past ~5 seasons and finally finished in a trainwreck. I feel sorry for all the fans that thought they would be able to make a half decent last season, but let's be honest, that would have been a true miracle. Let's just hope Dexter is off life support for good and wont return for another season of failures and ever-continuing face-palming (I look at you Scrubs harrumph).
VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
September 23 2013 23:28 GMT
#6715
LOL WHAT? A freaking lumberjack? LOL. Glad it's over. Rip in peace Dexter, jesus what did they do to you.
MatiaasS !
Profile Joined October 2011
Chile167 Posts
September 23 2013 23:38 GMT
#6716
Dissapointing.
That's the only word that is needed to the Season Finale.
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hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
September 23 2013 23:55 GMT
#6717
HOLY SHIT GUYS?! YOU'RE TELLING ME THE PEOPLE HATED THE ENDING TO A SHOW THAT WAS GOOD? OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.

Get over yourselves. The ending was fine as it was, and Season 8 was as good as it could have been. No one in this thread could have done it better, especially not the guy who posted that video. You all suck at writing and scripting TV shows, that's why you're on this thread making asinine comments that are remarkably similar to a lot of other series that have to end.

Seriously guys, get off the internet, breathe, and realize that Dexter is not real. It's ending was poor in your opinion, but they probably could have tried their best to end it, and you would have still hated it. They probably did do their best, haha.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
September 24 2013 00:01 GMT
#6718
I don't know what to say with that ending... i wished they didn't kill deb. When they killed her, i was hoping that he's going to commit suicide but just faking his own death? But it was an open ending, so may be he had a miracle and survived. But the ending showing dexter could have been better if you just see him killing someone on his table.

Sigh... but i'm still a fan.
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Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
September 24 2013 00:10 GMT
#6719
rofl reading the interview linked here, Carpenter didnt even watch season 8. She knew it would suck ass I guess
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
September 24 2013 00:40 GMT
#6720
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 24 2013 00:08 karazax wrote:
Interview from Fox News

Dexter (Michael C. Hall) decided to settle down with Hannah (Yvonne Strahovski) and his son Harrison instead of ridding the world of the Brain Surgeon Saxon (Darri Ingolfsson), but in exchange, he lost the one person who he could ever truly love, his sister Debra (Jennifer Carpenter). Forced to be the big brother and protect her, Dexter pulled the plug on his foul-mouthed sibling after learning that she'd never be able to take care of herself when she suffered a major stroke — essentially making her Dexter's final kill.

At the risk of hurting anyone else he loved — namely Hannah and Harrison, who moved to Argentina without him — Dexter faked his own death and exiled himself to a life of solitude. No family, no love, and more importantly, no Dark Passenger. TVGuide.com spoke with executive producer Sara Colleton and Carpenter about that heartbreaking ending, why Deb had to die and how Colleton essentially spoiled the end of the series before it even began:

My takeaway: Serial killers don't get a happy ending. Is that a fair assessment?

Jennifer Carpenter: I don't know. I think [Dexter's] life is his punishment. No one is going to set him in the water and tell him to rest in peace.

Sara Colleton: I suppose in a very simplistic way, but also I'd like to think there are layers to that, in that the paradox of Dexter has always been that he's a monster who yearns to be human. This is the final price that he pays for wanting to be a human being. He has a bit of voiceover that, to me, so sums up the whole series, which is right before he goes to take Deb away, he's on the balcony and he says, "For so long, all I wanted was to be like other people, to feel what they felt, but now that I do, I just want it to stop." It is about the burden. Killing himself physically is too easy a punishment. It's a far harder punishment to exile himself to this lonely, solitary existence where he has no network and no nothing, and, as he turns and looks into the camera, not even his voiceover. The rest is silence.

So Dexter no longer feeds his Dark Passenger in the future?

Colleton: He's no longer doing anything. He has cut himself off. He tried to be human and now he's completely shut down and there is nothing.

That look on Dexter's face is a little ambiguous. You say it's nothing, but I took it as maybe there was hope for him in the future.

Colleton: At this moment, it is silence. That's all he has in his head. It's all that's around him. He is serving out a very solitary sentence. He's exiled himself from everything he cared about.

Did Dexter always plan to fake his own death and go into hiding or did he plan to take his own life when he drove into that hurricane?

Colleton: We have seen over the years that Dexter has a lot of different passports and IDs. We've established that in many episodes. The specifics of how he got there, I don't think he had ahead of time, but it was the furthest away from the warmth, the sun and the light of Florida to a place that is bereft of all of that. It wasn't like bait and switch. It's purposefully, obviously ambiguous when he says that it's inevitable that he kills everyone he loves and he's got to save Hannah and Harrison -- the two people he loves the most -- from himself.

Did you consider other possible endings?

Colleton: There was never any other way. Two years ago we plotted this out. There may have been little different mechanics along the way, but it was always going to be that the ultimate punishment for his hubris was the death of Deb, who is the touchstone and soulmate of his existence.

Did you ever consider not including that final scene with Dexter as a lumberjack and leave it up to viewers to speculate whether he really did die or not?

Colleton: No, we didn't because that's too ambiguous.

Let's talk about Hannah and Harrison. She will now have to raise him in Argentina. But I was always curious to know whether Harrison would've inherited Dexter's urges. Is that something you could explore in a potential spin-off?

Colleton: There have been a million spin-off ideas right now, but absolutely nothing is being contemplated. It's just that Hannah is going to have to raise Harrison. I don't think Harrison has any tendencies. Dexter has been an exemplary dad. That's one of the ironies. In attempting to fake it, he became it.

Why kill Deb?

Colleton: It was never about Deb's story. It's about Dexter's story. Just like in Season 4, when Dexter played fast and loose with Trinity (John Lithgow) ... and Rita (Julie Benz) died. Here, Deb is the most meaningful person in his life and he's the most advanced he's been as a human being. The price you pay for being a fully alive, aware human being is the true nature of his crimes.

Carpenter: I had said at the PaleyFest that I had played her from A to Z, and I really didn't think there was a chance for a happy ending for her. And I don't think you could kill any more of her boyfriends. [Laughs] It just made sense. I feel like Dexter has to suffer a loss. I don't feel like law enforcement was going to be able to put him in a cell small enough or cuffs tight enough to enforce natural law. He had to lose something and he had to hurt. She was the thing that could, if it's even possible, hurt him the most.

How does it feel now that you can actually talk about Deb dying?

Carpenter: It's great. I haven't seen it. Unfortunately, I was a Time Warner subscriber and I missed the whole season!

Describe your final day on set.

Carpenter: [It] was the ambulance scene with Quinn, which was actually the first time that I've cried on the show. When I was in the hospital and I overheard the doctor tell Desmond and Michael that Deb would never recover and I heard Desmond — even though I've never seen the actual episode — he came in to work eight to 10 hours early that day because he was so affected, so by the time we got to the ambulance scene, it was like the love that he and I felt for each other's characters was just going up in the room. Imagine how big a soundstage is, you just couldn't ignore it. It broke my heart because we both knew that Deb is dying. You see all this potential and there's no way to cash in on it. It's heartbreaking. It elevated my respect for the actors that I've worked with. I've never seen commitment like I saw that day like I did with Desmond and his character. People oftentimes look at Desmond and think they know him and make assumptions about what kind of person he must be because of the character that he plays, but it's just a credit to his acting. He's an enigma.
My actual last scene, which I feel is important to say, is I'm in the hospital bed. It's a different hospital bed because they needed a shot from above. Michael is leaning over saying, "I love you, Deb." He's done it two or three times. When I knew it was going to be the last take, I sat up, took my tubes out and I whispered in his ear, "Say. It. Like. You. Mean. It." I knew it was the last thing. It was the one and only thing Deb ever wanted to hear from him. I wanted him to know that I was really listening. It was important.

Now that you've had some time away from the character, have you been able to move on?

Carpenter: It's funny. I felt like I collected my personal belongings from my trailer, put them in my car and drove away. My very last take, when I told Michael to say that like he meant it, I took it and in my mind, I looked at Debra, a face that looked like mine, and said goodbye and pictured her floating to the top of the studio. I just imagined her leaving me. It felt like she did. I have been free, in a way. It's as if these invisible claws unclenched. I was free to walk away.

What are your final words on Deb?

Carpenter: I said I can't imagine that there's going to be someone to lay Dexter's body in the water and say, "Rest in peace." It's my hope that after the eight years of blood, sweat, profanity and tears, that maybe the audience members might want to take a hand and tell her to rest in peace. You know at the end of "Breakfast Club" and Judd Nelson is walking off the football field with his fist in the air? That's what I feel like. [Laughs]

The finale didn't give closure to those in Miami Metro, especially Quinn (Desmond Harrington), who lost Deb in the end.

Colleton: It was always a story about Dexter and Dexter's journey, and since he's exiled himself from this world, you're going to have to use your imagination. I think Quinn was devastated. He finally found his match.

After they watched the video of Dexter killing Saxon, Quinn gave Dexter a look. Do you think Quinn figured it out?

Colleton: Quinn always knew there was something hinky about Dexter that he couldn't quite put his finger on, but I don't think he was ever thinking he was the vigilante serial killer haunting Miami. That look to Dexter after Dexter kills Saxon, he's nodding his tacit approval that Dexter killed Saxon. The bigger picture eludes him, but he knows that Dexter went in there with one mission in mind. In Quinn's universe, he did right.

Fans haven't loved the final season. Here's your chance to defend yourself.

Colleton: I respect everyone's opinion. I know that we who worked on the show from the very beginning feel that this was the natural journey that we set out from the pilot to make. Dexter is going to change and has changed. Some of that, I think, has been hard on our fans, but we have stayed true to what we feel is right. We feel very comfortable with what we've done.

How do you feel about the series as a whole?

Colleton: I am very happy with where it ended. It's where it always felt it should go. I remember at the first [Television Critics Association press tour] before the first season even started, I was asked a version of that question. I laid this out, which I shouldn't have, not ever thinking we'd get past the first year: As Dexter puts together all the pieces of humanity and realizes what he's done, he will have to punish himself by killing himself. It's one of those off-the-cuff remarks, but I always thought that as the journey of him getting closer and closer to becoming a human being, the cost gets higher and higher and there's an ultimate price he has to pay. But again, killing himself would be too easy. He has to live with emptiness and deny himself everything.

Carpenter: It had a hand in raising the bar for what cable television was allowed to do. For that, I'll always be proud to have been a part of it. Again, that's just my own beliefs, other people may spit at that idea, but I do believe that's the case. As far as "Dexter," it's a credit to Michael. One of his opening lines is, "I don't have feelings." What a terrible way to start a character! How hard must that be to play someone who claims not to have feelings? But again, to say that you don't have feelings means you must have feelings about not having feelings. He claimed at one point that his life with Rita (Julie Benz) was no longer a farce. Maybe this was just the slowest eye-opening after a long sleep in the history of the world. Season 1, Dexter starts to stir and by the end, he's totally awake when he's looking in the camera at the end of the finale. In a way, that leaves a lot of possibility lingering for what could happen years from now if Michael or any of the creators choose to move on with it.

What do you hope fans take away from the series?

Colleton: I hope they feel like they've taken the journey with Dexter. Even though they may have wanted to end this way or that way, it will feel that it is an appropriate ending for Dexter that, based on what happened, this is the appropriate punishment and he must take it.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/09/23/dexter-postmortem-sara-colleton-jennifer-carpenter-dissect-end-serial-killer/#ixzz2fjEom7PJ



thanks for sharing this interview... it was enlightening.
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