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ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
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I will just assume he performed a Darth Vader like role as a constantly present antagonist(without being anyone's father) before being unexplicaby forgiven.
I'm not reading a page that is 12 screens long just to get a minor and obscure reference.
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On July 30 2014 21:52 Mataza wrote:
Just speechless.
I mean...
Look, Hitler just wanted to become an artist when he was young and idealistic. Then he did a couple really bad things. The world didn't forgive him.
Now Obito wanted to become Hokage, then did some bad things as well. But he is forgiven because he sucked up to Naruto before his death.
A bad/evil character can be tragic or have a tragic history, but WTF makes kishi think that by reminiscing about his childhood for a few chapters and then choosing suicide absolves him of anything. That is not how redemption works.
You can see Obito as a little more sympathetic than Hitler because he was tricked and manipulated by Madara. His strong idealism was warped and twisted into something terrible by an outside force (somewhat like Anakin Skywalker mentioned by the poster above). In that sense, while he is still a terrible villain and does not truly "deserve" to be forgiven (again: see Vader) it makes emotional sense for the other characters to find it in their heart to forgive him.
Still doesn't make Naruto a good story at this point, but I think this particular point necessarily a fatal flaw.
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So what happened to Obito ? Hes dead but i have no idea whats happening in this manga .
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So Obito is Anakin, Madara is Palpatine and Sasuke is Starkiller?
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On July 31 2014 01:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 20:44 SilverSkyLark wrote:
two sticks get blocked by kakashi and obito, obito kamuis the one headed for kakashi, obito gets hit by the stick thing
sakura is ever so clueless as fuck and says "what happened?"
jesus christ that talk no jutsu by obito........
apparently, one good sacrifice and one good talk no jutsu absolved obitos sins which include but not limited to:
- releasing the kyubii on konoha
--- which killed naruto's mom
--- which killed naruto's dad
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas
- create akatsuki
--- which made nagato so fucking messed up
--- which made sasugay messed up cuz his op as fuck bro is there (gg sickness tho)
--- which made orochimaru and kabuto op as fuck
--- which dragged the manga so long because sasugay won't leave orochimaru cuz powers
--- which fucking levelled konoha cuz Nagato can do that
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas
- give kabuto a shit tone of op powers to revive people
--- which started the ninja war
--- which revived the kages and madara
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas.
and after that talk to jutsu, naruto is like "Obito tried to become hokage, to me, I can't see him as anything else but awesome!!!"
yeah man, the dude who is responsible for your parents deaths and Negi and your friends parents is an awesome person because he wanted to be hokage. good thinking.
they probably blame Madara for all that more then Obito, and Obito revived Naruto and saved Sasuke
So its okay if you helped solve the problem even though you helped CAUSE the problem? Madara isn't entirely to blame here
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Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately.
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On July 31 2014 01:38 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:52 Mataza wrote:
Just speechless.
I mean...
Look, Hitler just wanted to become an artist when he was young and idealistic. Then he did a couple really bad things. The world didn't forgive him.
Now Obito wanted to become Hokage, then did some bad things as well. But he is forgiven because he sucked up to Naruto before his death.
A bad/evil character can be tragic or have a tragic history, but WTF makes kishi think that by reminiscing about his childhood for a few chapters and then choosing suicide absolves him of anything. That is not how redemption works. You can see Obito as a little more sympathetic than Hitler because he was tricked and manipulated by Madara. His strong idealism was warped and twisted into something terrible by an outside force (somewhat like Anakin Skywalker mentioned by the poster above). In that sense, while he is still a terrible villain and does not truly "deserve" to be forgiven (again: see Vader) it makes emotional sense for the other characters to find it in their heart to forgive him. Still doesn't make Naruto a good story at this point, but I think this particular point necessarily a fatal flaw.
Well, as far as I remember only Luke partially forgave Darth Vader.
If Han Solo was at Darth Vader's death scene and would stop others from saying bad things about Darth Vader, that would be quite out of character, wouldn't it?
I could understand if Kakashi finds it in his heart to forgive Obito, that would be ok. But Naruto doing the same, such a short time after Neji died in his arms?
If Naruto was supposed to be an all forgiving buddha-like person, why does he also still get angry over other people hating.
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On July 31 2014 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:12 Forikorder wrote:On July 30 2014 20:44 SilverSkyLark wrote:
two sticks get blocked by kakashi and obito, obito kamuis the one headed for kakashi, obito gets hit by the stick thing
sakura is ever so clueless as fuck and says "what happened?"
jesus christ that talk no jutsu by obito........
apparently, one good sacrifice and one good talk no jutsu absolved obitos sins which include but not limited to:
- releasing the kyubii on konoha
--- which killed naruto's mom
--- which killed naruto's dad
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas
- create akatsuki
--- which made nagato so fucking messed up
--- which made sasugay messed up cuz his op as fuck bro is there (gg sickness tho)
--- which made orochimaru and kabuto op as fuck
--- which dragged the manga so long because sasugay won't leave orochimaru cuz powers
--- which fucking levelled konoha cuz Nagato can do that
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas
- give kabuto a shit tone of op powers to revive people
--- which started the ninja war
--- which revived the kages and madara
--- which killed a fuckton of ninjas.
and after that talk to jutsu, naruto is like "Obito tried to become hokage, to me, I can't see him as anything else but awesome!!!"
yeah man, the dude who is responsible for your parents deaths and Negi and your friends parents is an awesome person because he wanted to be hokage. good thinking.
they probably blame Madara for all that more then Obito, and Obito revived Naruto and saved Sasuke So its okay if you helped solve the problem even though you helped CAUSE the problem? Madara isn't entirely to blame here
hes far more to blame then Obito though, Madara created the army, Madara unsealed the 10 tails body, Madara forced Obito to ressurect him, Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, Madara actived the infinite Tsukyomi
Obito actaully tried twice to stop Madara, Ressurected Naruto and saved Sasuke
if Obito hadnt been there then Madara would have found another pawn but without Obito theyd all have lost
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TLADT24920 Posts
Not a bad chapter imo and sent Obito off the best way possible. On that note, damn did Naruto get really mad. I mean, all of a sudden he was infront of Kaguya and took out her arm. Is this going to be the first time we see Naruto kill someone? Guessing they'll go for the seal but ya, him all of a sudden taking out her arm was a bit much imo. Should've just shown him overpowering her or something. Maybe he gets really angry, kills her but can't control him emotions so he gets blinded by them. Sasuke tries to help him so they ended up having that showdown that everyone was waiting for (unlikely lol).
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On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately.
Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person
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On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person
I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not.
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On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not.
Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan?
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On July 31 2014 10:20 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:38 LaughingTulkas wrote:On July 30 2014 21:52 Mataza wrote:
Just speechless.
I mean...
Look, Hitler just wanted to become an artist when he was young and idealistic. Then he did a couple really bad things. The world didn't forgive him.
Now Obito wanted to become Hokage, then did some bad things as well. But he is forgiven because he sucked up to Naruto before his death.
A bad/evil character can be tragic or have a tragic history, but WTF makes kishi think that by reminiscing about his childhood for a few chapters and then choosing suicide absolves him of anything. That is not how redemption works. You can see Obito as a little more sympathetic than Hitler because he was tricked and manipulated by Madara. His strong idealism was warped and twisted into something terrible by an outside force (somewhat like Anakin Skywalker mentioned by the poster above). In that sense, while he is still a terrible villain and does not truly "deserve" to be forgiven (again: see Vader) it makes emotional sense for the other characters to find it in their heart to forgive him. Still doesn't make Naruto a good story at this point, but I think this particular point necessarily a fatal flaw. Well, as far as I remember only Luke partially forgave Darth Vader. If Han Solo was at Darth Vader's death scene and would stop others from saying bad things about Darth Vader, that would be quite out of character, wouldn't it? I could understand if Kakashi finds it in his heart to forgive Obito, that would be ok. But Naruto doing the same, such a short time after Neji died in his arms? If Naruto was supposed to be an all forgiving buddha-like person, why does he also still get angry over other people hating.
I'm just saying when someone who is actually very much like you is tricked and manipulated into becoming something dark and evil, it's easier to forgive them. Naruto still remembers how it feels to be the outsider and shunned and (I think) he knows that it would have been very easy for him to become like Gaara was, or like Obito was, if the situations had been different. Because of this, when the person converts back to the good side, it is very easy for Naruto to forgive. Perhaps a more mature person would take a more nuanced view, and hold people accountable for their actions more when they were "fallen", but Naruto is nothing if not impulsive and a shallow thinker.
Because of his own pain he is very empathetic with those who have suffered, and although he himself made different choices, he seems quick to forgive the bad choices of others in similar circumstances. Like I said, not logical necessarily for a person to do, but it makes logical sense for a person like Naruto to do it. You could try to explain to him how his thinking didn't make sense but I doubt you'd have success.
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On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan?
Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam.
Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan
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United States97274 Posts
On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan
I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS
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On August 01 2014 04:37 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS
Doesn't EMS just give immunity from the effects of overuse?
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On August 01 2014 04:37 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS
Obito had Senju cells (+/or Zetsu) so I doubt he was affected by the eyesight loss. I'm pretty sure that through a panel it was shown that kakashi was suffering from eyesight loss (maybe even from as early as the Itachi incident). Neither had EMS though.
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On August 01 2014 04:50 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:37 Shellshock wrote:On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS Doesn't EMS just give immunity from the effects of overuse?
From what I understand yea but he did use it all the time
On August 01 2014 04:53 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:37 Shellshock wrote:On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS Obito had Senju cells (+/or Zetsu) so I doubt he was affected by the eyesight loss. I'm pretty sure that through a panel it was shown that kakashi was suffering from eyesight loss (maybe even from as early as the Itachi incident). Neither had EMS though.
I guess I should have thought about that. Good point. Would make sense that it could protect Obito's eye
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On August 01 2014 04:37 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 31 2014 20:24 Phantasmiq wrote:On July 31 2014 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 31 2014 17:14 sharkie wrote:On July 31 2014 10:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Man, did Naruto turn into a cliche unoriginal story or what. I just feel it's all so predictable and lame. Like it was Kaguyas plan the whole time. Black Zetsu just manipulated Uchiha for few hundred years and Madara, the badass Uchiha legend was manipulated by a black thingy-Kaguya's will? K. Pain's arc was excellent. From there on it went kind of downhill. Unfortunately. Pain arc started the downfall with the resurrection of every single dead person I second that opinion. Somehow, this is a general problem with long-running series. The audience matures, but the series itself does not. Well yeah the ressurection in the end by nagato was a bit stupid. However I feel that the buildup to Pain's attack on Konoha was amazing. You didn't know what to expect from Pain He took Jiraya down quite easily, and so the watcher/reader knew Pain is strong but how much? Not to mention, he has the rinnegan and is just overall badass. Also by the way is it just me, or did the whole Mangekyo Sharingan thing with overusing it and becoming blind kind of faded away? Because Itachi's vision was really bad, same with Madara's. But what about Kakashi, or Obito? I mean, didn't Kishi kind of abbandon the idea of the darkness created by using Mangekyo Sharingan? Kakashi used his sharingan really sparingly until the war, and now that he doesn't even have it anymore his vision should always be okay. He's used it what, twice against Deidara, twice against pain before the war? That's nothing compared to sasuke's spam. Also didn't Obito have EMS? At least before he fought Konan and took the Rinnegan I thought you had to have a brother for EMS. Obito had his original eye so it should have been just MS
What about his not original eye? The one he ended up ditching for the Rinnegan?
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