only clan whos trademark was special chakra was the uzumaki clan who had strong lifeforce therefore strong chakra and super sealing techniques. I might be mixing things up though so pls correct me if Im wrong.
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
only clan whos trademark was special chakra was the uzumaki clan who had strong lifeforce therefore strong chakra and super sealing techniques. I might be mixing things up though so pls correct me if Im wrong. | ||
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Shaoer
United States60 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:25 wonnaplay wrote: Kakashi was using it in the fight with Obito on a flying kunai... if that ain't a moving target then I don't know what is. Back on latest chapter; I loved the way Obito fought the battle, one of the most epic drawings with the blood dripping everywhere. Seems to me Naruto got a little bit darker over the years. First with the cold blooded kill of Danzo's subordinates, now this sick picture of bodies hanging in the tree and blood dripping everywhere. Got me to wonder if this will be shown in the anime as it was shown in the manga. Pretty hardcore, can't wait for the next chapter as usual. For everyone that keeps complaining about how bad naruto has gotten. Maybe you should stop watching it? For me Naruto keeps getting better and better. I think the storyline is fricking awesome and everything that happened so far has had an explanation. Everything is constructed so well... I don't care about whether or not obito should be blind. My guess is probably not, since apart from this event and the mangekyo that he just showed Kakashi a few chapters ago, I don't think Obito has used his mangekyo much.. After all, he was able to 'slip' through the ground before the killing rocks fell on him(as Madara told the story). This was before he awakened mangekyo. Which means the slipping through dementions does not require mangekyo As you see against Konan, he quickly ripped of part of his mask to use Izanagi with his other eye. Seems to me he doesn't want to do anything that hurts his eye. This because he needs this eye to be able to swap between dimensions. Heck yeah! Haters you don't need to still read/watch. I love the show and reading comments sometimes makes me wonder why people criticize it so much. Just like TV shows, how if it spans over too long a period of time(several seasons), plot holes occur, same with naruto. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:25 wonnaplay wrote: Kakashi was using it in the fight with Obito on a flying kunai... if that ain't a moving target then I don't know what is. Back on latest chapter; I loved the way Obito fought the battle, one of the most epic drawings with the blood dripping everywhere. Seems to me Naruto got a little bit darker over the years. First with the cold blooded kill of Danzo's subordinates, now this sick picture of bodies hanging in the tree and blood dripping everywhere. Got me to wonder if this will be shown in the anime as it was shown in the manga. Pretty hardcore, can't wait for the next chapter as usual. For everyone that keeps complaining about how bad naruto has gotten. Maybe you should stop watching it? For me Naruto keeps getting better and better. I think the storyline is fricking awesome and everything that happened so far has had an explanation. Everything is constructed so well... I don't care about whether or not obito should be blind. My guess is probably not, since apart from this event and the mangekyo that he just showed Kakashi a few chapters ago, I don't think Obito has used his mangekyo much.. After all, he was able to 'slip' through the ground before the killing rocks fell on him(as Madara told the story). This was before he awakened mangekyo. Which means the slipping through dementions does not require mangekyo As you see against Konan, he quickly ripped of part of his mask to use Izanagi with his other eye. Seems to me he doesn't want to do anything that hurts his eye. This because he needs this eye to be able to swap between dimensions. i said easy to track, if the kunai was constantly zipping around randomly hed never be able to hit it | ||
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Roaming
United States239 Posts
so let me get this straight, kakashi was in fact the 3rd user to obtain mangekyou sharingan after madara and his brother. we move forward a good 5 to 10 years later which takes place in season 1, itachi appears in konoha and dismantles kakashi....how? Tsukuyomi. It was stated that abilities get stronger the more you use them, and they can only be developed in battle. That's why itachi (whos prefers genjutsu) has a badass MS tsukuyomi, and sasuke's is weaker. And Sasuke who spams amaterasu is pro at it. Kakashi sucks dick at the start of shippuden with Kamui, but now he's lightning fast with it.Only stupid thing is Obito, who godmodes his MS power and used it BEFORE obtaining the MS.. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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17Sphynx17
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That's my guess. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 12 2012 10:16 17Sphynx17 wrote: The most logical reason I can think of as to why Obito isn't blind is because of Harashima's healing tecdhniques that don't need seals to execute. I would say the Harishima cells are preventing further damage to the sharingan even in Mangekyou form and even if the ability was overused. Basically, it restores the eye to its pristine condition. That's my guess. how about that noone has gone blind from overrusing the mangekyou? the only evidence that you can go blind is Madara lost his sight and took his brothers eyes, but it could take decades of use before you actually lose your vision and it could be Madaras sight was just starting to go before he grabbed his bros, could be you dont actually go blind from voerruse just your vision gets bad | ||
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
On October 11 2012 14:46 Forikorder wrote: he can only use the jutsu on a target that is easy to track (like Diedara for instance who didnt swerve or change altitude at all) can only use it in a team fight because using it drains too much chakra from him and can only use it once (look at when he used it against Deidara, the first shot took an arm sure but after that it was easily dodged) so when was the last time Kakashi fought an opponent who wasnt moving around alot, in a position where he had someone to cover his back and the opponent did not know about Kamui? answer? never he couldnt use it against Zabuza Zabuza was hiding and constantly moving 90% of the time he couldnt use it against Pain he would ahve jsut pushed/pulled him to break concentration he couldnt use it against Itachi because Kisame was there and the other 2 konoha guys couldnt really cover him he didnt have the liberty of creating such a huge opening he only has been able to spam it so much this fight because Obito has been obsessed with catching Naruto so hasnt payed him any attention at all Konan kinda stated the weakness of Obito's eye in their fight. The Kakasi probably doesnt use his eye on people because it probably takes longer to send someone into another dimension than an object or it could be that when he uses his eyes on a large object it drains a super amount of chakra from him. Which is the reason why he passed out after sending the explosion to another dimension. He also told sakura to take care of his body before trying to send sasuke, zetsu, and tobi to the next dimension. On October 12 2012 10:16 17Sphynx17 wrote: The most logical reason I can think of as to why Obito isn't blind is because of Harashima's healing tecdhniques that don't need seals to execute. I would say the Harishima cells are preventing further damage to the sharingan even in Mangekyou form and even if the ability was overused. Basically, it restores the eye to its pristine condition. That's my guess. I dont believe your guess is correct. If that was true what was the point of transferring itachi's eye into sasuke when he couldve just zetsu up sasuke? Naruto is getting pathetic though. If this zetsu crap is so powerful why hasnt obito given it to sasuke so he could become super sayian? All this talk about Senju and Uchiha mixed DNA allowing people to have more power is getting retarded. If this was the point why didnt Obito or Madara go around banging Senju chicks and have super sayian babies and brainwash them to fight for the Uchiha? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
I dont believe your guess is correct. If that was true what was the point of transferring itachi's eye into sasuke when he couldve just zetsu up sasuke? Naruto is getting pathetic though. If this zetsu crap is so powerful why hasnt obito given it to sasuke so he could become super sayian? All this talk about Senju and Uchiha mixed DNA allowing people to have more power is getting retarded. If this was the point why didnt Obito or Madara go around banging Senju chicks and have super sayian babies and brainwash them to fight for the Uchiha? Sasuke would refuse the Zetsuification, assuming that Obito even knows how to do it Sasuke wanted his Brothers eyes Obito never gave Sasuke Zetsu for the above reasons and his obsession with Sasuke actually makes no sense, by the time Sasuke was going to have his sight back the war would have already been decided im pretty sure Sasuke recovered early and if Sasuke learned about the moons eye plan then it all goes to shit, Sasuke wouldnt like the whole dream world thing hes more into the whole burn the world thing as for why they didnt go around banging senju chicks... look at Tsunade the only senju worth mentioning is Hashirama after him the blood was too thin to be useful and the blood probably doesnt mix that easily, either the UChiha blood conquers and they come out with Sharingan or the Senju blood conquers and they come out worthless | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:36 Forikorder wrote: how about that noone has gone blind from overrusing the mangekyou? the only evidence that you can go blind is Madara lost his sight and took his brothers eyes, but it could take decades of use before you actually lose your vision and it could be Madaras sight was just starting to go before he grabbed his bros, could be you dont actually go blind from voerruse just your vision gets bad Itachi has lost some of his vision too. Kakashi even talks to Itachi about it. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:19 Pseudoku wrote: Itachi has lost some of his vision too. Kakashi even talks to Itachi about it. ya Itachi was STARTING to lose his vision, but theres no evidence it was any worse then being a bit blury, Tobi even has the advantage of his technique being auto and could still have that Zetsu hanging around being another set of eyes for him plus he still has his perfectly good left eye wich used to be Nagatos so only his right eye would ahve bad vision, he could ahve copyed Kabutos trick and have some rinnegan summons hiding to give him more vision | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
[B] Naruto is getting pathetic though. If this zetsu crap is so powerful why hasnt obito given it to sasuke so he could become super sayian? All this talk about Senju and Uchiha mixed DNA allowing people to have more power is getting retarded. If this was the point why didnt Obito or Madara go around banging Senju chicks and have super sayian babies and brainwash them to fight for the Uchiha? Well, I believe the answer would lie in what the Zetsu part told Obito when they got out. That Uchiha and Senju cells merging creates a new powerful being. As such, giving Sasuke Itachi's eyes, gives him access to Itachi's Sharigan powers at least, but it doesn't really put him on equal footing to the potential of Obito or more OP than him. That is my guess. ----------------------- As for you don't really go blind using mangekyou, maybe or maybe not. The only instance we ever see Uchiha eyes bleeding is whenever Mangekyou is overused. As such, it "displays" a sense of great stress to the eyes (at least to me). So in effect, damage is being done whenever the Mangekyou ability is being used and not the regular Sharigan eye only (their shikai mode hehe!) I think Itachi's experience shows how too much use of Mangekyo is really causing eventual blindness. He even limits the use of it to an as needed basis as far as I know unlike Sasuke who seemed to keep on activating it everytime thereafter seeing as Itachi's eye won't go blind from his repetitive use. Again, my opinion only. ---------------------- Senju blood has been shown to not present itself as prominently as the Uchiha and I think this has its reasons bourne out of their ties. Uchihas seem to partner with themselves (within the bloodline, not necessarily family) to preserve the Sharingan (same with the Byakugan families) so the bloodline more clearly present itself. This appears to be the exact opposite of how the Senju clan approached it. They didn't seem to preserve the bloodline by diluting it with other bloodlines/normals. As such, even the 5th Hokage's presentation of the bloodline limit appears to be different in how Harashima used his (similar but not the same). This shows how far diluted the bloodline already is and there is no real pure Senju anymore. The Uzumaki clan also seem to have the portion of the Senju bloodline through the showing of their chakra stamina but not presenting the healing abilities of the Senju, so again, only part of the bloodline's original set of abilities was kept in tact but never the whole expression of it. My two cents. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
As for you don't really go blind using mangekyou, maybe or maybe not. The only instance we ever see Uchiha eyes bleeding is whenever Mangekyou is overused. As such, it "displays" a sense of great stress to the eyes (at least to me). So in effect, damage is being done whenever the Mangekyou ability is being used and not the regular Sharigan eye only (their shikai mode hehe!) I think Itachi's experience shows how too much use of Mangekyo is really causing eventual blindness. He even limits the use of it to an as needed basis as far as I know unlike Sasuke who seemed to keep on activating it everytime thereafter seeing as Itachi's eye won't go blind from his repetitive use. Again, my opinion only. Itachis eyes bled everytime he cast Amaterasu but not when he uses Tsukyomi so i dont think the eyes bleed when you overuse them the blood is just part of the tecnique Senju blood has been shown to not present itself as prominently as the Uchiha and I think this has its reasons bourne out of their ties. Uchihas seem to partner with themselves (within the bloodline, not necessarily family) to preserve the Sharingan (same with the Byakugan families) so the bloodline more clearly present itself. This appears to be the exact opposite of how the Senju clan approached it. They didn't seem to preserve the bloodline by diluting it with other bloodlines/normals. As such, even the 5th Hokage's presentation of the bloodline limit appears to be different in how Harashima used his (similar but not the same). This shows how far diluted the bloodline already is and there is no real pure Senju anymore. The Uzumaki clan also seem to have the portion of the Senju bloodline through the showing of their chakra stamina but not presenting the healing abilities of the Senju, so again, only part of the bloodline's original set of abilities was kept in tact but never the whole expression of it. Tsunades technique is not a bloodline limit, Hashiramas bloodline limit was the wood techniques his medical ninjutsu was just really badass Tsunade copys it by storing a ton of chakra over a period of time then releasing it all at once which then automatically heals any wound conceivably anyone with the proper training could pull it off, assuming they could ammass enough chakra and had enough skill in medical ninjutsu | ||
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:28 17Sphynx17 wrote: Well, I believe the answer would lie in what the Zetsu part told Obito when they got out. That Uchiha and Senju cells merging creates a new powerful being. As such, giving Sasuke Itachi's eyes, gives him access to Itachi's Sharigan powers at least, but it doesn't really put him on equal footing to the potential of Obito or more OP than him. That is my guess. ----------------------- As for you don't really go blind using mangekyou, maybe or maybe not. The only instance we ever see Uchiha eyes bleeding is whenever Mangekyou is overused. As such, it "displays" a sense of great stress to the eyes (at least to me). So in effect, damage is being done whenever the Mangekyou ability is being used and not the regular Sharigan eye only (their shikai mode hehe!) I think Itachi's experience shows how too much use of Mangekyo is really causing eventual blindness. He even limits the use of it to an as needed basis as far as I know unlike Sasuke who seemed to keep on activating it everytime thereafter seeing as Itachi's eye won't go blind from his repetitive use. Again, my opinion only. ---------------------- Senju blood has been shown to not present itself as prominently as the Uchiha and I think this has its reasons bourne out of their ties. Uchihas seem to partner with themselves (within the bloodline, not necessarily family) to preserve the Sharingan (same with the Byakugan families) so the bloodline more clearly present itself. This appears to be the exact opposite of how the Senju clan approached it. They didn't seem to preserve the bloodline by diluting it with other bloodlines/normals. As such, even the 5th Hokage's presentation of the bloodline limit appears to be different in how Harashima used his (similar but not the same). This shows how far diluted the bloodline already is and there is no real pure Senju anymore. The Uzumaki clan also seem to have the portion of the Senju bloodline through the showing of their chakra stamina but not presenting the healing abilities of the Senju, so again, only part of the bloodline's original set of abilities was kept in tact but never the whole expression of it. My two cents. http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/462/13 The chapter above tells us blood line is blood line no matter how thin it is. Meaning banging senju descendants can still produce senju blood line. Regarding implanting itachi's eye into sasuke, I was trying to point out what was the point of actually giving him itachi's eyes when he could've combined with zetsu and receive new powers. Didnt mean to give the impression of him being OP against obito. He couldve done this at the cave where sasuke woke up after fighting his bro. Its obvious now that Itachi didnt give sasuke his powers. Sasuke's eye went MS when he saw his best friend (aka Itachi) die. Like someone said in earlier post. I wouldnt the two brother just exchange eye so they may have unlimited power? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 12 2012 15:06 BreakerD wrote: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/462/13 The chapter above tells us blood line is blood line no matter how thin it is. Meaning banging senju descendants can still produce senju blood line. Regarding implanting itachi's eye into sasuke, I was trying to point out what was the point of actually giving him itachi's eyes when he could've combined with zetsu and receive new powers. Didnt mean to give the impression of him being OP against obito. He couldve done this at the cave where sasuke woke up after fighting his bro. Its obvious now that Itachi didnt give sasuke his powers. Sasuke's eye went MS when he saw his best friend (aka Itachi) die. Like someone said in earlier post. I wouldnt the two brother just exchange eye so they may have unlimited power? they cant exchange eyes, the 2 sets of eyes fuse together to create the EMS one has to be blind that chapter does not say that a bloodline works no matter how thin if that was true then the Uchiha would ahve the Rinnegan not the Sharingan that shows that bloodline does get weaker the thinner the blood and Obito didnt Zetsu Sasuke for 3 reasons 1. we dont even know if he can, Madara made the Zetsus not Obito 2. Sasuke didnt want Zetsu he wanted Itachis eyes 3. it took Obito a very long time of therapy to be able to even sort of use his new body | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. | ||
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BigFan
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
it hasn't. it's always been a balance of dark to goofy & shonen like humor. almost every plot had some really dark aspects in it, you just have to take the time to recall. season 1? zabuza was introduced as some blood mist child or something, where he had to murder his whole class in order to pass. we're talking about murdering children here....not only did they not put him down they honored him and let him pass. gaara was then introduced as this blood thirsty traumatic child who needed to be institutionalized. he killed his classmates and ANYONE he disliked with his sand...thereafter would absorb the blood of his opponents into his sand....and would keep using it.... when they introduced sasori it was found out he kidnapped his hokage and turned him into a puppet. his puppets also require that they be turned in a puppet while still living....if that's not disgustingly dark...i don't know what is.... nagato? disguising as the leader of a country and putting people to death so he can have the 6 paths of pain? he kidnapped them for their abilities, murdered them, used their bodies, and his some of his techniques included piercing and modifying their bodies for their power...naruto vs pain? naruto was held down and had both his hands pierced... and obito killing other uchiha's to harvest their eye balls? if someone outside of the naruto community read what i just stated, it would sound satanic at best. i think the fact none of it was really drawn out in vigorous detail like gantz do we gloss over it, but if anyone were to actually read it as a script it would sound like a horror movie. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote: Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it. Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS | ||
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