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On October 14 2012 00:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it.
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS
Since when is creating the Eternal Mangekyou as easy as "Just put another sharingan into it"?
Didn´t it require, I don´t know, the eyeballs of your very brother? Correct me if I´m wrong, but I´m pretty sure it was never as easy as "Sharingan+Sharingan = Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan"
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On October 14 2012 02:13 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:03 Forikorder wrote:On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it.
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS Since when is creating the Eternal Mangekyou as easy as "Just put another sharingan into it"? Didn´t it require, I don´t know, the eyeballs of your very brother? Correct me if I´m wrong, but I´m pretty sure it was never as easy as "Sharingan+Sharingan = Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan"
your right its not that easy
its MS Sharingan + MS Sharingan = EMS
Madara has an eye that hes about to not need since hes gonna die soon he could give that one to Obito and BAM EMS
although how you get EMS is never very clearly explained
and again, its too soon for Obito to even go blind and his left eye would still be 20/20
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On October 14 2012 13:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 02:13 Mataza wrote:On October 14 2012 00:03 Forikorder wrote:On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it.
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS Since when is creating the Eternal Mangekyou as easy as "Just put another sharingan into it"? Didn´t it require, I don´t know, the eyeballs of your very brother? Correct me if I´m wrong, but I´m pretty sure it was never as easy as "Sharingan+Sharingan = Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan" your right its not that easy its MS Sharingan + MS Sharingan = EMS Madara has an eye that hes about to not need since hes gonna die soon he could give that one to Obito and BAM EMS although how you get EMS is never very clearly explained and again, its too soon for Obito to even go blind and his left eye would still be 20/20
Fairly certain it has to be from your brother.
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On October 14 2012 14:17 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 13:57 Forikorder wrote:On October 14 2012 02:13 Mataza wrote:On October 14 2012 00:03 Forikorder wrote:On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it.
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS Since when is creating the Eternal Mangekyou as easy as "Just put another sharingan into it"? Didn´t it require, I don´t know, the eyeballs of your very brother? Correct me if I´m wrong, but I´m pretty sure it was never as easy as "Sharingan+Sharingan = Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan" your right its not that easy its MS Sharingan + MS Sharingan = EMS Madara has an eye that hes about to not need since hes gonna die soon he could give that one to Obito and BAM EMS although how you get EMS is never very clearly explained and again, its too soon for Obito to even go blind and his left eye would still be 20/20 Fairly certain it has to be from your brother.
im sure its jsut cooincidence, probably any family member would do jsut because the only people with EMS happened to use there brother doesnt mean it has to be from a brother
and maybe Obito did have a brother who was killed by Itachi and then Obito snagged his eyes
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Obito literally helped Itachi kill everyone so it's quite possible he did the dirty work on his own family to make sure he got their eyes.
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what im wondering is why kakashi never used kamui before shippuden. Apparently he got it after killing rin when he was still a kid. Then the next time we see it is vs dedari, which is pretty damn long..
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On October 14 2012 15:14 Mystic_Starcraft wrote:
what im wondering is why kakashi never used kamui before shippuden. Apparently he got it after killing rin when he was still a kid. Then the next time we see it is vs dedari, which is pretty damn long..
the only fights we see him in since weve seen him is VS Zabuza who was owned anyway, Itachi which lasted like 10 seconds and then Deidara unless im missing someone there was never a situation where he needed the Kamui and had an opportunity to use it
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On October 14 2012 15:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:14 Mystic_Starcraft wrote:
what im wondering is why kakashi never used kamui before shippuden. Apparently he got it after killing rin when he was still a kid. Then the next time we see it is vs dedari, which is pretty damn long.. the only fights we see him in since weve seen him is VS Zabuza who was owned anyway, Itachi which lasted like 10 seconds and then Deidara unless im missing someone there was never a situation where he needed the Kamui and had an opportunity to use it
The fight vs. Zabuza was extremely close. He lost the first round and almost died. During the second round Sasuke almost died, so if he had Mangekyo during these fights it seems like yet another plothole that he didn't use it.
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On October 14 2012 16:57 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:19 Forikorder wrote:On October 14 2012 15:14 Mystic_Starcraft wrote:
what im wondering is why kakashi never used kamui before shippuden. Apparently he got it after killing rin when he was still a kid. Then the next time we see it is vs dedari, which is pretty damn long.. the only fights we see him in since weve seen him is VS Zabuza who was owned anyway, Itachi which lasted like 10 seconds and then Deidara unless im missing someone there was never a situation where he needed the Kamui and had an opportunity to use it The fight vs. Zabuza was extremely close. He lost the first round and almost died. During the second round Sasuke almost died, so if he had Mangekyo during these fights it seems like yet another plothole that he didn't use it.
okay then when would he have Kamui'd?
round one he only lost because he got caught completely off guard, so couldnt use it then and after he was free he just owned him
round two Zabuza kept completely hidden the etire time so the only target Kakashi could attack would be Haku and the best he could do would be to destroy one of his ice mirrors but hed leave such a huge opening Zabuza would just kill him, and by the time he had Zabuza in his sights he had him immmobilized anyway so why waste a huge chunk of Chakra on Kamui when he can jsut Chidori?
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On October 15 2012 03:36 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 16:57 Fenrax wrote:On October 14 2012 15:19 Forikorder wrote:On October 14 2012 15:14 Mystic_Starcraft wrote:
what im wondering is why kakashi never used kamui before shippuden. Apparently he got it after killing rin when he was still a kid. Then the next time we see it is vs dedari, which is pretty damn long.. the only fights we see him in since weve seen him is VS Zabuza who was owned anyway, Itachi which lasted like 10 seconds and then Deidara unless im missing someone there was never a situation where he needed the Kamui and had an opportunity to use it The fight vs. Zabuza was extremely close. He lost the first round and almost died. During the second round Sasuke almost died, so if he had Mangekyo during these fights it seems like yet another plothole that he didn't use it. okay then when would he have Kamui'd? round one he only lost because he got caught completely off guard, so couldnt use it then and after he was free he just owned him round two Zabuza kept completely hidden the etire time so the only target Kakashi could attack would be Haku and the best he could do would be to destroy one of his ice mirrors but hed leave such a huge opening Zabuza would just kill him, and by the time he had Zabuza in his sights he had him immmobilized anyway so why waste a huge chunk of Chakra on Kamui when he can jsut Chidori?
Remember at that point of Naruto just using the Sharingan put Kakashi out of action for a week so using MS/Kamui is completely impossible.
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He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/
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On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/
if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked
of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with
its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus)
in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind
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On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind
The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask.
It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/
edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk
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On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk
Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask?
step one: make mask with 2 eye holes
step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole
step three: ?????
step four: make dream world
also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing
there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it
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On October 14 2012 14:17 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 13:57 Forikorder wrote:On October 14 2012 02:13 Mataza wrote:On October 14 2012 00:03 Forikorder wrote:On October 13 2012 15:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
Itachi could barely even see shapes during his fight with sasuke. They were all giant blurs to him.... And sasuke was beginning to get the same way until he got itachi's eyes transplanted. Kishi just still needs to explain why obito still hasn't lost his sight, although senju dna might play a part of it.
Also the banging senju chicks comment...madara literally hates all senju so much he even told tsunade he wanted to kill her first simply for being a senju. I don't think that banging them would be an option in his eyes lol. I think he preferred to simply use their dna to make the zetsu clones out of the need for senju dna albeit his extreme hatred of them. Basically it's the most distant way to integrate senju dna for his needs. Itachi wasnt blind yet and didnt ahve his eyes for much longer then Obito, plus Obito had his left eye that could see perfectly well, plus he could have put another MS into his right eye to create EMS Since when is creating the Eternal Mangekyou as easy as "Just put another sharingan into it"? Didn´t it require, I don´t know, the eyeballs of your very brother? Correct me if I´m wrong, but I´m pretty sure it was never as easy as "Sharingan+Sharingan = Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan" your right its not that easy its MS Sharingan + MS Sharingan = EMS Madara has an eye that hes about to not need since hes gonna die soon he could give that one to Obito and BAM EMS although how you get EMS is never very clearly explained and again, its too soon for Obito to even go blind and his left eye would still be 20/20 Fairly certain it has to be from your brother.
No. It has only been, afaik, Madara who took his brothers eyes because he went blind, and after that found out that it awakened EMS.
My opinion on this chapter: I thought it was ok, and the only reason it was ok was the fact that kakashi fainted when his MS drained all his chakra.
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On October 15 2012 13:23 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask? step one: make mask with 2 eye holes step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole step three: ????? step four: make dream world also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it
So if he can cast an illusion no one notices why not just cast one that he can actually abuse and kill them with?
I think it's more likely that the combination of senju and uchiha gave his eyes some sort of healing power so they never go blind.
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On October 15 2012 13:23 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask? step one: make mask with 2 eye holes step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole step three: ????? step four: make dream world also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it
No that mask was one hole only. Which was located where his MS was
There was no reason for him to break the other part when he wanted to cast izanagi if he could see through the mask.
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On October 16 2012 10:33 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 13:23 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask? step one: make mask with 2 eye holes step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole step three: ????? step four: make dream world also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it No that mask was one hole only. Which was located where his MS was There was no reason for him to break the other part when he wanted to cast izanagi if he could see through the mask. -_-
he didnt break it the 10 billion bombs did
So if he can cast an illusion no one notices why not just cast one that he can actually abuse and kill them with?
I think it's more likely that the combination of senju and uchiha gave his eyes some sort of healing power so they never go blind.
cause people are gonna be checking the mask for illusions, even if someone did notice it they wouldnt bother mentioning it
might not even be an illusion the mask could be designed like that somehow or he could use one of the dozens of other ways to see
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On October 16 2012 11:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 10:33 jidolboy wrote:On October 15 2012 13:23 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask? step one: make mask with 2 eye holes step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole step three: ????? step four: make dream world also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it No that mask was one hole only. Which was located where his MS was There was no reason for him to break the other part when he wanted to cast izanagi if he could see through the mask. -_- he didnt break it the 10 billion bombs did
Actually. He tore off the mask himself. Go to chap 510. Only right side was broken. He himself broke left side ( see the hand + the anime broke it himself too lol)
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On October 16 2012 11:07 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 11:04 Forikorder wrote:On October 16 2012 10:33 jidolboy wrote:On October 15 2012 13:23 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 13:15 Zooper31 wrote:On October 15 2012 13:01 Forikorder wrote:On October 15 2012 12:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
He probably didn't know he actually had MS when he was younger. I think only after meeting itachi before the timeskip did he learn of the MS's existance, and thus during the timeskip learned to use it. He had 2 years to train himself to use it. And only 3 uses put him out of commission for a week back then. Remember when they kidnapped gaara, then kakashi and naruto fought pain's itachi clone? When kakashi met itachi pre time skip he didn't even know of tsukynomi or anything about the MS, but when he fought the itachi clone he asked about how blind itachi now is. That to me is proof that he was training with the MS since then and learned your eyesight weakens with its use. So kakashi getting his eye when he was younger doesn't seem so farfetched now that i think about it.
Although the whole obito thing still doesn't make sense. I really hope he explains why obito's eyesight seems fine even with his extensive use, and also how he phased through the rocks when he still didn't have his MS. He always seems to only have his normal sharingan active when he phases, so it seems strange. Nornal sharingan as far as we know don't have special techniques - those have only been unlocked once you activate your MS. :/ if i had to guess at some point Kakashi probably found the hidden tablets the Uchiha hid, he certainly had the skill and reason to pull it off so he found it and read it with his sharingan and then (assuming he didnt already know) learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and realised killing Rin might have unlocked his so tryed it and it worked of course for Obito its possible he is blind in the right eye, just because hes blind doesnt mean he loses his powers the eyes gives and he still has his perfectly good left eye to see with its also possible that his technique isnt very harmful to his eyes unlike Itachis techniques and by being careful when he uses it hed be fine he might also know other S/T jutsu (like the one he uses to absorb people and the one he uses to teleport) that are not connected to his eye (though he might use it as a focus like how the 4th used the seal on his Kunai as a focus for all his jutsus) in short there is absolutely nothing wrong about Obitos eyes, even if his right eye is blind his left eye still works and its highly likely he hasnt used his right eye enough to go blind The biggest thing I have a problem with in you explanation is that Obito might actually be blind in his right eye but his left eye is fine. If thats the case how does Tobi see at all the entire time he was active in the akatski, his mask only had 1 hole big enough for his right eye to see out of. Is his mask somehow see through for his left eye so he's not walking around blind? Does his left eye see through solid objects? There is no way he was using his left eye to see because his right eye was blind if he was wearing that mask. It's like wearing a eye patch over your only good eye and still walking around and fighting at 100% like theres no eyepatch at all :/ edit: side thought, maybe his 2 eyes has linked vision somehow since he obtained the rinengan, so he was using his left eye to look through his right eye? idk Naruto has a giant fox in his tummy that shoots outs nukes and you find it impossible that Tobi had a trick mask? step one: make mask with 2 eye holes step two: cast illusion to make it look like one hole step three: ????? step four: make dream world also its extremely likely that he still has sight in his right eye, Itachi didnt have his MS for much longer then Obito did and could still see Tobi had the advantage of having Madara who might know secrets of slowing down the decay, he could have stolen a family members Sharingan and made EMS or maybe he had a Zetsu act as eyes for him like the spiral one hes currently wearing there are an infinite amount of ways Obito could be blind as a bad and still see perfectly fine, hell Gaara has been using a jutsu since he was introduced where he creates an eye out of sand, maybe his mask has the same sort of jutsu on it No that mask was one hole only. Which was located where his MS was There was no reason for him to break the other part when he wanted to cast izanagi if he could see through the mask. -_- he didnt break it the 10 billion bombs did Actually. He tore off the mask himself. Go to chap 510. Only right side was broken. He himself broke left side ( see the hand )
if he broke it because he needed to get access to his eye he would ahve jsut taken it off or broke it even more it looks to me like he wouldnt be able to see straight and we can only see his other eye because of the angle im willing to bet the only reason it was broken was so that we could watch the eye close
and its still unlikely he lost sight in his right eye, and there are still tons of ways for him to be able to still see, hell the mask could even have been made from wood techniques designed to let him see through it
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