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Z_DartH
Italy29 Posts
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GhostOwl
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On October 17 2012 19:34 GhostOwl wrote: The only thing I really disliked about this chapter was the fact that Obito didn't harbor any hatred towards Kakashi. I mean..come on, that's pretty unbelievable. Your love of your life was killed right in front of you by the guy who you thought was a good comrade that you entrusted him to protect. And he kills him. So Obito says, I don't harbor any hatred, I just don't care. What kind of BS is that? Seems like Kishi tried to fill in a plothole so he kinda forced this Well, I don't think this is a plothole. Know that the "dream world" as a concept allows you to make it as you would want. So I think the overall idea is (although I don't necessarily agree with it as well), is that Obito just wanted it to be a perfect world without the wars, meaning the way before they had to engage in battle. The squad is whole and there is nothing bad happening and only good is remembered. As such, he could change that "past" of the new reality as well. Just a thought. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On October 17 2012 19:34 GhostOwl wrote: The only thing I really disliked about this chapter was the fact that Obito didn't harbor any hatred towards Kakashi. I mean..come on, that's pretty unbelievable. Your love of your life was killed right in front of you by the guy who you thought was a good comrade that you entrusted him to protect. And he kills him. So Obito says, I don't harbor any hatred, I just don't care. What kind of BS is that? Seems like Kishi tried to fill in a plothole so he kinda forced this Actually that's not true imo and the way it is, it's a much stronger picture. ///Edit: Actually no idea if I'm supposed to spoiler that. Just added a spoiler/// + Show Spoiler [click me!] + Obito apparently snapped to a point where he isn't caring anymore, which is a much stronger illustration than getting crazy and getting crazy mad. He sure as hell got issues to go all emo like this (just) because of Rin but the situation of Obito shown in this chapter definitely isn't a weak spot. If anything it's probably the best part this chapter had imo. Obito going crazy and hating Kakashi is something that I could understand but at the same time I'd have the thought of "well, yeah sucks to be you but in time everything'll be fine. Time heals all wounds, you know?". The way it happened this chapter is beyond that point which apparently is the reason there's no turning back and no reconsideration of his thoughts / emotions. | ||
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village_idiot
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
There you go kishi, fixed your manga for you LOL | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:27 b3n3tt3 wrote: Or Madara and friends could've just cast a genjutsu on themselves and just believe that they're in a perfect world. There you go kishi, fixed your manga for you LOL heroin does that | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:27 b3n3tt3 wrote: Or Madara and friends could've just cast a genjutsu on themselves and just believe that they're in a perfect world. There you go kishi, fixed your manga for you LOL lmao never thought about that, madara and obito just cast their genjutsuon themselves in that little cave and live in their little dreamworld forever. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:14 ticklishmusic wrote: inbreeding seems to have caused severe paranoia and emotional instability within the uchiha clan. Best theory ever. Jusy like targaryens. | ||
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Sankanyo
United States140 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 17 2012 19:54 Toadesstern wrote: Actually that's not true imo and the way it is, it's a much stronger picture. ///Edit: Actually no idea if I'm supposed to spoiler that. Just added a spoiler/// + Show Spoiler [click me!] + Obito apparently snapped to a point where he isn't caring anymore, which is a much stronger illustration than getting crazy and getting crazy mad. He sure as hell got issues to go all emo like this (just) because of Rin but the situation of Obito shown in this chapter definitely isn't a weak spot. If anything it's probably the best part this chapter had imo. Obito going crazy and hating Kakashi is something that I could understand but at the same time I'd have the thought of "well, yeah sucks to be you but in time everything'll be fine. Time heals all wounds, you know?". The way it happened this chapter is beyond that point which apparently is the reason there's no turning back and no reconsideration of his thoughts / emotions. Obito is still 13 and decided FOR everyone that their life isn't good enough so he's going to make it good enough....in his opinion..... >_> You can't have good without evil. What is love, kindness, good, etc if there is nothing negative to compare such things to? Without the negatives to compare, everything just becomes "meh." I'm sure kishi has something like that in the final idea of why naruto prevails, cause uchiha are emo illogical fucks, but it's so obvious and overdone... kishi did fill in some plot holes in chapter. Honestly, the past chapters were probably better than this entire war. But both madara and obito's reasonings are utterly retarded as shit. It's like they were too lazy to write their history essay on ww2 so they're like "lets make it up!" Itachi is literally the only uchiha in the entire worthless clan that is like "you're all fucking retarded as shit" so agrees to kill them off lol. No wonder itachi was my favorite character. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On October 18 2012 02:28 BlackPaladin wrote: Obito is still 13 and decided FOR everyone that their life isn't good enough so he's going to make it good enough....in his opinion..... >_> You can't have good without evil. What is love, kindness, good, etc if there is nothing negative to compare such things to? Without the negatives to compare, everything just becomes "meh." I'm sure kishi has something like that in the final idea of why naruto prevails, cause uchiha are emo illogical fucks, but it's so obvious and overdone... kishi did fill in some plot holes in chapter. Honestly, the past chapters were probably better than this entire war. But both madara and obito's reasonings are utterly retarded as shit. It's like they were too lazy to write their history essay on ww2 so they're like "lets make it up!" Itachi is literally the only uchiha in the entire worthless clan that is like "you're all fucking retarded as shit" so agrees to kill them off lol. No wonder itachi was my favorite character. Why is any of that a problem? It seems like a very immature decision to make... you know, almost like he was a pubescent boy having his first and only love slaughtered in front of his eyes. I do agree with your assessment of Itachi though. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On October 18 2012 02:37 h41fgod wrote: Why is any of that a problem? It seems like a very immature decision to make... you know, almost like he was a pubescent boy having his first and only love slaughtered in front of his eyes. I do agree with your assessment of Itachi though. this pretty much. I said Obito definitely has some issues but it's understandable. Obito was traumatized and went mad. No idea what Madara's reasoning for all this is though. How this whole Rin+Kakashi situation happened to begin with Obito finding out about it due to zetsu and zetsu offering help to get out while Madara conveniently seems to be afk seems to rather convenient though. No way Madara did not know about this and he probably staged the whole thing somehow to make Obito see it. I just hope it's not just "herpa derpa I needed someone to resurrect me". Oh and yeah Itachi was awesome. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18776 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:27 b3n3tt3 wrote: Or Madara and friends could've just cast a genjutsu on themselves and just believe that they're in a perfect world. There you go kishi, fixed your manga for you LOL Hahahahaha, this is awesome! | ||
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.ImchEEzy
Canada123 Posts
they still have yet to explain how the first hokage thought madara was dead, maybe izanagi? Obito got too op too fast... at 13 after awakening sharingan, soon after got MS and controlling senju cells, killing 20 anbu jounin. So, the path of six sages can be anyone with senju + sharingan if you can live long enough | ||
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Courthead
United States246 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:27 b3n3tt3 wrote: Or Madara and friends could've just cast a genjutsu on themselves and just believe that they're in a perfect world. There you go kishi, fixed your manga for you LOL 1. It doesn't work like that. Madara has to actively and intentionally create the world he envisions. He can't do this without knowing that he's doing this. And, as far as I can remember, there is no genjutsu that exists that can make you do something without realizing you're doing it. 2. There would still be death, war, and suffering in the real world. Madara doesn't want that. His goal is to drag everyone into this perfect world, hence the Moon's Eye Plan. Besides, you can't truly enjoy experiences without others to share them with. Haven't you ever seen Into the Wild? 3. Yes, Rin would be a fake person, but the only one who really cares about reviving the dead is Obito. Madara only cares about that as much as necessary to persuade Obito to follow his plan. He wants real people, not fake people. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On October 18 2012 09:22 Sumahi wrote: The issues aren't coming out fast enough for me. I'm dying to know why Kakashi killed Rin. I have my theories, but then for the past few years reading Naruto I've had plenty of theories. well i do remember seeing that hidden mist caused a rain storm, and remember somewhere that it could control people or drain their energy in some episode a long time ago. so thats my theory... | ||
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