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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 07 2012 12:34 eshlow wrote: Wasn't Oro still in Akatsuki before Tobi came... or did Tobi come after Oro left? Damn, it's been so long that I don't remember anything anymore. Oh well. i dont think we can say for certain Tobi wasnt introduced until shippuden and Oro left Akatsuki (i think) before Naruto even started | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 07 2012 15:31 ixi.genocide wrote: Tobi was a new member (to the general gang at least) in shippuden, Oro was not even apart of akatsuki at the first mention of the group in original. I don't think that oro=tobi because itachi would recognize oro if he dawned the tobi outfit. not if Orochimaru took of his disguises and showed the actuall look of the current body hes in actually how would Itachi reconize Oro when Tobi keeps his entire body hidden at all times? | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 08 2012 01:54 Heh_ wrote: Another thing: when Tobi rescued Sasuke, he took off his mask. Sasuke instantly recognized Tobi, and it wasn't orochimaru for obvious reasons. Unless you're telling me that Tobi had plastic surgery. he didnt get his mask all the way off, as soon as Sasuke got a good look at his eye he had to retreat | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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Kaien
Belgium178 Posts
On July 07 2012 12:34 eshlow wrote: Wasn't Oro still in Akatsuki before Tobi came... or did Tobi come after Oro left? Damn, it's been so long that I don't remember anything anymore. Oh well. Oro left long before tobi joined, he left even before the original naruto series Tobi joined after that puppeteer (forgot his name ^^) died | ||
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Kaien
Belgium178 Posts
On July 08 2012 02:04 Capulet wrote: I thought it was established that Tobi is Izuna (Madara's brother). As for Orochimaru still being alive, I'm still not sure what to make of it. how was it established that Tobi is Izuna ?? and to me it was pretty obvious that orochimaru would someday come back .. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On July 08 2012 02:04 Capulet wrote: I thought it was established that Tobi is Izuna (Madara's brother). As for Orochimaru still being alive, I'm still not sure what to make of it. This is also what I'm thinking. As of Orochimaru being alive, I don't think Sasuke meant in the physical sense, but in a deeper DNA sense that his traces is in Tobi and can be contacted and even spoken to. Tobi isnt Orochimaru anymore than Sasuke was Orochimaru. Tobi/Izuna is a lot like Orochimaru actually, trying to get everything he did not get born with, with him being in his brothers shadow, though a lot more successful than Orochimaru. I even would suggest a theory to say that Orochimaru & Tobi have been partners for a long time, and the mark has been a part of their deal to keep Orochimaru alive (because of his weak state) As for Madara, he hasnt been here for a long time, so Tobis plan might have changed. | ||
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Cirn9
1117 Posts
All I can ever think of is the Street Fighter character + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/oro-nicestyle.jpg) | ||
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Joefish
Germany314 Posts
On July 08 2012 04:59 Cirn9 wrote: Does it bother anyone else when people call Orochimaru just Oro? All I can ever think of is the Street Fighter character + Show Spoiler + For me it's + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5/86/301/86301125_Kenshin_oro_sign_by_hurate.jpg) But you get used to it after a while | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
If Madara and the First were so fucking badass and the disparity in the power levels of the current generation and them was so huge... How the fuck was old ass third hokage able to take him AND the 2nd on while Fighting Oro?! Not only that, but if it was able to be released, why didn't he release it, 1HKO Oro and henchmen then have the third seal him? Or go on an evil man killing spree before having someone seal him? Too many plotholes lately for my liking. Unless someone can please clear something that I obviously missed since I only read that chapter once years and years ago. | ||
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Jealous
10315 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:07 Dosey wrote: Not sure if this was brought up and didn't see any mention while skimming the last couple pages but... If Madara and the First were so fucking badass and the disparity in the power levels of the current generation and them was so huge... How the fuck was old ass third hokage able to take him AND the 2nd on while Fighting Oro?! Not only that, but if it was able to be released, why didn't he release it, 1HKO Oro and henchmen then have the third seal him? Or go on an evil man killing spree before having someone seal him? Too many plotholes lately for my liking. Unless someone can please clear something that I obviously missed since I only read that chapter once years and years ago. Oro's version was imperfect and he had worse control over them (was said before, have not verified directly). The hokages couldn't do anything Orochimaru didn't already know or something? He DID master almost all jutsu before. Anyways, the First would NOT have gone on a killing spree and would have most likely wanted to pass to the next life knowing his basic "good guy" character descriptions. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 08 2012 11:40 Heh_ wrote: When Tobi revealed his face, he had to reveal more than the sharingan... Any random bloke can pluck out an eyeball and implant it in himself; there are apparently no restrictions (you can even put in your arm loololololol). Sasuke had to recognize the person's actual face. unless Tobi regularly changes eyeballs like normal people change cloths, hed still be using the same eyes he had when he and Itachi went on that man date ahnihalating the Uchiha so Itachi would be able to specifically set the Amaterasu to activate then or he could jsut set it to activate the next time it sees a sharingan since there are literally 3 people in the entire word with Sharingan (excluding ITachi) so unless Kakashi for some reason gets to Sasuke first theres no chance of friendly fire | ||
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publicenemies
458 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:07 Dosey wrote: Not sure if this was brought up and didn't see any mention while skimming the last couple pages but... If Madara and the First were so fucking badass and the disparity in the power levels of the current generation and them was so huge... How the fuck was old ass third hokage able to take him AND the 2nd on while Fighting Oro?! Not only that, but if it was able to be released, why didn't he release it, 1HKO Oro and henchmen then have the third seal him? Or go on an evil man killing spree before having someone seal him? Too many plotholes lately for my liking. Unless someone can please clear something that I obviously missed since I only read that chapter once years and years ago. You have to remember that there was no way for the Third Hokage to beat the First and Second. He was struggling the entire match and had to resort to a justu that took his life. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:07 Dosey wrote: Not sure if this was brought up and didn't see any mention while skimming the last couple pages but... If Madara and the First were so fucking badass and the disparity in the power levels of the current generation and them was so huge... How the fuck was old ass third hokage able to take him AND the 2nd on while Fighting Oro?! Not only that, but if it was able to be released, why didn't he release it, 1HKO Oro and henchmen then have the third seal him? Or go on an evil man killing spree before having someone seal him? Too many plotholes lately for my liking. Unless someone can please clear something that I obviously missed since I only read that chapter once years and years ago. when Oro summoned the 1st and the 2nd he took full control of their minds and they couldn't do as much as madara (who still has his mind). Also, because it wasn't a complete edo tensai, the hokages couldn't use their full abilities. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:13 Jealous wrote: Oro's version was imperfect and he had worse control over them (was said before, have not verified directly). The hokages couldn't do anything Orochimaru didn't already know or something? He DID master almost all jutsu before. Anyways, the First would NOT have gone on a killing spree and would have most likely wanted to pass to the next life knowing his basic "good guy" character descriptions. Ehh... still not buying it. Even if the resurrection was imperfect, not having full control puts more emphasis on the plot hole. They were obviously self aware (conversation with Third) and had huge amounts of chakra to use the techniques they used, so he (The first) should have been able to release it if he wanted to. And by "Killing spree" I meant tying up loose ends like "Madara"/Tobi, killing the man who desecrated his body and genes (Oro) and take care of Akatsuki (a far stretch because he probably wouldn't know or care about them). IIRC he didn't "Pass" anyway, weren't they killed/sealed by that death god technique? So that theory is out as well. Not to mention, in flashbacks Hashi always seemed like an unrelenting badass. Good, yes. But he didn't take any shit. On July 08 2012 12:22 ixi.genocide wrote: when Oro summoned the 1st and the 2nd he took full control of their minds and they couldn't do as much as madara (who still has his mind). Also, because it wasn't a complete edo tensai, the hokages couldn't use their full abilities. I thought that didn't happen until after their conversation while they were self-aware? Oh well, I guess I'll have to buy the "He couldn't use it because Orochi didn't know about it" cop out. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:23 Dosey wrote: Ehh... still not buying it. Even if the resurrection was imperfect, not having full control puts more emphasis on the plot hole. They were obviously self aware (conversation with Third) and had huge amounts of chakra to use the techniques they used, so he (The first) should have been able to release it if he wanted to. And by "Killing spree" I meant tying up loose ends like "Madara"/Tobi, killing the man who desecrated his body and genes (Oro) and take care of Akatsuki (a far stretch because he probably wouldn't know or care about them). IIRC he didn't "Pass" anyway, weren't they killed/sealed by that death god technique? So that theory is out as well. Not to mention, in flashbacks Hashi always seemed like an unrelenting badass. Good, yes. But he didn't take any shit. I thought that didn't happen until after their conversation while they were self-aware? Oh well, I guess I'll have to buy the "He couldn't use it because Orochi didn't know about it" cop out. notice how neither of the Hokages move at all before Oro puts the tag in them? until the tag is in there heads tehy cant do a thing, and after the tags are in they cant control themselves, Madara has a tag in his head too only his tag doesnt limit his personality and grants him control of his actions | ||
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