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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
July 05 2012 04:53 GMT
#9381
What was Tobi going to release? Is it some form of Oro?
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
July 05 2012 04:54 GMT
#9382
Hmm...

Would it be possible for madara and tobi to both be madara?

Like, tobi is one of orochi's earliest edo tensei attempts and he's madara so he breaks out.

And then orochi wants to know what would happen if he modified the DNA used for ET, which results in senju/rinnegan madara that gets summoned by kabuto :O
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Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
July 05 2012 05:05 GMT
#9383
On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails.


um look at what Madara can do

who wouldnt want that?

Show nested quote +
Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well.


even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame

also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right

also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy

Your underestimating the power of the FTG. It is not only lightning fast, he can do it with a Rasengan in hand, or any other Jutsu.
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
July 05 2012 05:59 GMT
#9384
On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails.


um look at what Madara can do

who wouldnt want that?

Show nested quote +
Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well.


even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame

also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right

also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy


The problem is that we don't really know anything about Minato. We know that he was one of the best ninjas ever and that he created ftg and rasengen.... While he doesn't have a kekei genkai that we know of, I don't know if i would count him out vs anyone.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 05 2012 06:32 GMT
#9385
Lol at people arguing about what Tobi and Madara can do/lose to.

This series has one and only one rule: if you have the hax eyes, you do whatever the fuck you want.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
reebuns
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia10 Posts
July 05 2012 07:46 GMT
#9386
On July 05 2012 13:24 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:21 Heh_ wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:
Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails.


um look at what Madara can do

who wouldnt want that?

Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well.


even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame

also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right

also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy


Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over.

presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill

besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu


Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf.

God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right?


i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans

and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi)

i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes

It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else.

I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of.

but Orochimaru was in the area when Nagato got his Rinnegan...

also not having intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets is a point in Orochimarus case since Itachi found Tobi since tobi was sneaking around trying to find out Uchiha secrets

and i think there might be some wiggle room in the MS thing since Naruto is Sasukes best friend but Sasuke got MS without killing him but killing Itachi got him it but Itachi definenttly not Sasukes best friend

Which still begs the question, where the fuck did the rinnegan eyeballs come from.

And the skills of Tobi and Orochimaru are different... If Orochimaru had Tobi's skills, he wouldn't have been pwned on multiple occasions.


well his primary ability to steal peoples bodies and abilities kinds jumps to mind

but ya it really doesnt make that Orochimaru = tobi unless Tobi = Zetsu clone of Orochimaru Tobi =/= original Orochimaru its just not possible unless the Orochimaru we know and love = Zetsu clone

if Tobi was Orochimaru he wouldnt need the Edo Tensei explained to him, personally i think it would take a TON of very mind breaking explanations to explain how tobi is orochimaru and i really dont think thats going to happen but it is sort of set up so you cant really say with 100% certainty its impossible

i wonder if Orochimaru/tobi/madara/someone somehow got some of the sages DNA (or mixed Uchiha with Senju DNA) and injected that into Nagato creating the Rinnegan...


Rinnegan is a mutation. Nagato's mutated, possible because of his bloodline (Uzumaki, Senju relative, distantly related to younger child of the Sage). Madara's Rinnegan like he said was mutated from his Sharingan before his timely death.

So I count out artificially creating Rinnegan.

What get's me, totally off topic to Oro=Tobi theories is Edo Madara saying "That brat Nagato's gotten better" or something. Rinnegan's were linked showcased by Pain and Tobi, so is it possible Madara was still around just when Nagato mutated his? It's possible their eyes could have linked.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 05 2012 09:40 GMT
#9387
On July 05 2012 16:46 reebuns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:24 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:21 Heh_ wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:
[quote]

um look at what Madara can do

who wouldnt want that?

[quote]

even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame

also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right

also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy


Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over.

presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill

besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu


Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf.

God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right?


i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans

and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi)

i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes

It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else.

I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of.

but Orochimaru was in the area when Nagato got his Rinnegan...

also not having intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets is a point in Orochimarus case since Itachi found Tobi since tobi was sneaking around trying to find out Uchiha secrets

and i think there might be some wiggle room in the MS thing since Naruto is Sasukes best friend but Sasuke got MS without killing him but killing Itachi got him it but Itachi definenttly not Sasukes best friend

Which still begs the question, where the fuck did the rinnegan eyeballs come from.

And the skills of Tobi and Orochimaru are different... If Orochimaru had Tobi's skills, he wouldn't have been pwned on multiple occasions.


well his primary ability to steal peoples bodies and abilities kinds jumps to mind

but ya it really doesnt make that Orochimaru = tobi unless Tobi = Zetsu clone of Orochimaru Tobi =/= original Orochimaru its just not possible unless the Orochimaru we know and love = Zetsu clone

if Tobi was Orochimaru he wouldnt need the Edo Tensei explained to him, personally i think it would take a TON of very mind breaking explanations to explain how tobi is orochimaru and i really dont think thats going to happen but it is sort of set up so you cant really say with 100% certainty its impossible

i wonder if Orochimaru/tobi/madara/someone somehow got some of the sages DNA (or mixed Uchiha with Senju DNA) and injected that into Nagato creating the Rinnegan...


Rinnegan is a mutation. Nagato's mutated, possible because of his bloodline (Uzumaki, Senju relative, distantly related to younger child of the Sage). Madara's Rinnegan like he said was mutated from his Sharingan before his timely death.

So I count out artificially creating Rinnegan.

What get's me, totally off topic to Oro=Tobi theories is Edo Madara saying "That brat Nagato's gotten better" or something. Rinnegan's were linked showcased by Pain and Tobi, so is it possible Madara was still around just when Nagato mutated his? It's possible their eyes could have linked.

Orochimaru managed to artificially create Hashiramas wood techniuques and the Izanagi
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
July 05 2012 09:51 GMT
#9388
On July 05 2012 13:53 LovE- wrote:
What was Tobi going to release? Is it some form of Oro?


What is orochimaru coming back?!?!? hes not dead?!?!? >_<
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17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
July 05 2012 10:13 GMT
#9389
What if Tobi is just some sort of experiment of Oro? Say mixing from a Sharigan user base that he captured and experimented on. His experiments ends up warping the mind of that person to create the Tobi we all know and love. Maybe his dimensional absorb ability is some form of blood line limit achieved through experimentation and not just some random mutation from Sharigan.

I find it unlikely that Tobi is Oro because what then did Itachi end up stabbing with the sword? Perhaps the scroll allows you to control souls without having to any physical host for the Edo Tensei and something of the person being resurrected.

What Orochimaru ended up perfecting a form or variation of Edo Tensei where these were no longer pre-requisite as such allows the user to summon souls completely? I don't know whether the death god consumption of the soul is the same with Oro being stabbed with the sword which prevents them from being summoned though, so who knows?

I just want to keep an open mind and just try and enjoy it without having to think of loop holes anymore. =)

Cheers!
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#9390
On July 05 2012 19:13 17Sphynx17 wrote:
What if Tobi is just some sort of experiment of Oro? Say mixing from a Sharigan user base that he captured and experimented on. His experiments ends up warping the mind of that person to create the Tobi we all know and love. Maybe his dimensional absorb ability is some form of blood line limit achieved through experimentation and not just some random mutation from Sharigan.

I find it unlikely that Tobi is Oro because what then did Itachi end up stabbing with the sword? Perhaps the scroll allows you to control souls without having to any physical host for the Edo Tensei and something of the person being resurrected.

What Orochimaru ended up perfecting a form or variation of Edo Tensei where these were no longer pre-requisite as such allows the user to summon souls completely? I don't know whether the death god consumption of the soul is the same with Oro being stabbed with the sword which prevents them from being summoned though, so who knows?

I just want to keep an open mind and just try and enjoy it without having to think of loop holes anymore. =)

Cheers!

Itachis sword should be the exact same since both seal the actual soul of the person in a place toher then the pure world
Mattidute
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands232 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#9391
Wasn't the main theory that Tobi was Kagami Uchiha? Who was in Tobirama Senju's (2nd Hokage) group which also had the likes of Danzo and 3rd Hokage in that same group. It's possibly also how Tobi learned about Edo Tensei as the 2nd created that jutsu aswell as knowing exactly who Danzo is. Tobi probably also took the Tobi part of the name from Tobirama Senju. Also Orochimaru's entire goal in Naruto has always been to get Absolute Knowledge about everything (which is probably why Sasuke wants to talk to him as Orochimaru probably has a way to defeat Madara), he wanted the Sharingan to learn Jutsu's easier.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 05 2012 14:42 GMT
#9392
Looks like Sasuke might end up turning back. Somehow, I think he and Naruto will end up teaming up vs Madara and Tobi.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18634 Posts
July 05 2012 18:07 GMT
#9393
On July 05 2012 04:00 Tabbris wrote:
Wasent is said like at the beginning of the series that the 4th was the strongest hokage ever?


Considering the 1st hokage was the person who was able to beat madara I dont think so.

But yea Minato is probably the most talented ninja (excluding madara and Hashirama) to ever exist. He was so OP that the creator had to kill him before the manga started. :p
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
July 05 2012 19:14 GMT
#9394
On July 06 2012 03:07 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 04:00 Tabbris wrote:
Wasent is said like at the beginning of the series that the 4th was the strongest hokage ever?


Considering the 1st hokage was the person who was able to beat madara I dont think so.

But yea Minato is probably the most talented ninja (excluding madara and Hashirama) to ever exist. He was so OP that the creator had to kill him before the manga started. :p


it's true
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
July 06 2012 17:37 GMT
#9395
Im scared, sasuke might become the only ninja able to defeat edo madara.. and I dont like it
yrba1
Profile Joined June 2010
United States325 Posts
July 06 2012 19:15 GMT
#9396
So Sasuke went from hating his brother with a passion to wanting to destroy the village because he and his brother were a victim, and now it seems he wants to protect the village and destroy Madara? Sasuke may be powerful but he sure is easily manipulated by words.
hamachisan
Profile Joined March 2011
United States52 Posts
July 06 2012 19:23 GMT
#9397
On July 06 2012 03:07 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 04:00 Tabbris wrote:
Wasent is said like at the beginning of the series that the 4th was the strongest hokage ever?


Considering the 1st hokage was the person who was able to beat madara I dont think so.

But yea Minato is probably the most talented ninja (excluding madara and Hashirama) to ever exist. He was so OP that the creator had to kill him before the manga started. :p



I agree the 1st hokage may be the greatest shinobi in the entire manga, but how come no one gives any love to the 2nd hokage?!? He was a beast! And creator of Edo Tensei!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 07 2012 00:36 GMT
#9398
On July 05 2012 23:42 andrewlt wrote:
Looks like Sasuke might end up turning back. Somehow, I think he and Naruto will end up teaming up vs Madara and Tobi.

Genocidal tendencies are easily forgiven if you look hot and you're popular. Good to know...
Average means I'm better than half of you.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 07 2012 01:02 GMT
#9399
On July 05 2012 18:51 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:53 LovE- wrote:
What was Tobi going to release? Is it some form of Oro?


What is orochimaru coming back?!?!? hes not dead?!?!? >_<


This. I won't be surprised if that really happened lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 07 2012 03:34 GMT
#9400
Wasn't Oro still in Akatsuki before Tobi came... or did Tobi come after Oro left?

Damn, it's been so long that I don't remember anything anymore. Oh well.
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