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On July 05 2012 04:30 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:23 ixi.genocide wrote:
If orochimaru knows the space time ninjutsu, That means that everyone can learn it... I would laugh if kakashi came back with this ability.
Edit: speaking of Kakashi, I miss him being a badass... He does know it. He even used it way back when against Deidara, was when he had just learned the jutsu I think.
I know he has a technique that allows him to suck objects into a vortex. But he cannot transport himself or anyone else there and then go to a different location. He actually only has the ability to target a small area, unless he has improved since then (which we don't know of).
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if sasuke's going to talk to orochimaru, i'm expecting there'll be a good deal of flashback chapters were orochimaru's explaining loads of lore.
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On July 05 2012 07:39 ixi.genocide wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:30 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 05 2012 04:23 ixi.genocide wrote:
If orochimaru knows the space time ninjutsu, That means that everyone can learn it... I would laugh if kakashi came back with this ability.
Edit: speaking of Kakashi, I miss him being a badass... He does know it. He even used it way back when against Deidara, was when he had just learned the jutsu I think. I know he has a technique that allows him to suck objects into a vortex. But he cannot transport himself or anyone else there and then go to a different location. He actually only has the ability to target a small area, unless he has improved since then (which we don't know of).
I remember when Naruto only had a small rasengan that wasn't a giant flying disc that used up tremendous amounts of chakra.
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On July 05 2012 03:51 ixi.genocide wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:43 Cush wrote:On July 05 2012 01:37 Zane wrote:On July 05 2012 01:32 Cush wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 sharkie wrote:
I wonder how Minato would have fared vs Madara. Minato is to boss to be defeated by Madara. The FTG is to op. You know what else is op? Spawning meteorites and slicing mountains in half. All Minato has to do is touch him once, then instant gg. don't forget that minato created justu's such as the death god and rasengen as well as the FTG. His speed wasn't the only thing that made minato a kage, I would imagine that it would be a good fight (prolly about even w/out hashirama dna)
I believe Minato didn't create the dead demon sealing technique. Given it's nature it was probably a jutsu that just existed. He just utilised it most effectively.
It'd be a good fight but remember Madara's a direct descendent of one of the two sons of the Sage of the Six Paths. That and having pretty eyes makes you world's above people in this manga.
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On July 05 2012 03:43 Cush wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:37 Zane wrote:On July 05 2012 01:32 Cush wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 sharkie wrote:
I wonder how Minato would have fared vs Madara. Minato is to boss to be defeated by Madara. The FTG is to op. You know what else is op? Spawning meteorites and slicing mountains in half. All Minato has to do is touch him once, then instant gg.
how does Minato touching Madara make Madara die?
are you confusing Minato with Tobi?
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I feel like Tobi is the Sage of the Six Paths or something. And Orochimaru...or something. I dunno I can't figure out the exact relationship but it sort of makes sense.
All Orochimaru ever wanted was to acquire the Sharingan - powers he didn't have.
Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails.
Tobi never has activated the Mangyeko But he did acquire an "eternal" Sharingan. Susano'o is the bloodline limit of the Uchiha which explains why he is unable to use it?
Also when he takes the Rinnegan from pain he says that they were "already his." Which sort of ties back into the Sage of the Six Paths. I have no idea. Lol.
What if he gave the Rinnegan to Pain? Lol wtf nvm.
Honestly I have no fucking idea.
Maybe Orochimaru has an ambition of becoming the Sage of the Six Paths? Ultimate power in the ten tails? Since his whole theme is about becoming others? Absorbing power...
Maybe Tobi is the Sage of the Six Paths reborn? Wait! He was doing experiments with animals and the seals, trying to combine the two together. What if he created Zetsu (Orochimaru) and his ultimate goal was to combine himself with a part of the Sage of the Six Paths (since he has the whole snake theme). I have no idea lolol. Or! Regenerate the Sage of the Six Paths (Zetsu) and then merge with him/put a piece of himself inside?!?!?! Since Tobi knows a shit ton about everything.
Gosh damnit.
I really just want Madara to pull out Susano'o again and start making sushi.
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On July 05 2012 11:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:43 Cush wrote:On July 05 2012 01:37 Zane wrote:On July 05 2012 01:32 Cush wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 sharkie wrote:
I wonder how Minato would have fared vs Madara. Minato is to boss to be defeated by Madara. The FTG is to op. You know what else is op? Spawning meteorites and slicing mountains in half. All Minato has to do is touch him once, then instant gg. how does Minato touching Madara make Madara die? are you confusing Minato with Tobi?
Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well.
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Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails.
um look at what Madara can do
who wouldnt want that?
Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well.
even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame
also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right
also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy
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Madara is fucking boss...Moar Madara in the next chapter please.
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On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Show nested quote +Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy
Minato is fodder compared to EMS Madara, let alone this undead, unlimited chakra, mokuton, rinnegan madara.
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On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Show nested quote +Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy
Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over.
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On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over.
presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill
besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu
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On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu
Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf.
God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right?
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On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf. God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right?
i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans
and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi)
i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes
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On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf. God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right? i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi) i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes
It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else.
I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of.
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On July 05 2012 13:13 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf. God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right? i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi) i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else. I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of.
but Orochimaru was in the area when Nagato got his Rinnegan...
also not having intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets is a point in Orochimarus case since Itachi found Tobi since tobi was sneaking around trying to find out Uchiha secrets
and i think there might be some wiggle room in the MS thing since Naruto is Sasukes best friend but Sasuke got MS without killing him but killing Itachi got him it but Itachi definenttly not Sasukes best friend
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On July 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 13:13 Heh_ wrote:On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf. God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right? i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi) i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else. I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of. but Orochimaru was in the area when Nagato got his Rinnegan... also not having intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets is a point in Orochimarus case since Itachi found Tobi since tobi was sneaking around trying to find out Uchiha secrets and i think there might be some wiggle room in the MS thing since Naruto is Sasukes best friend but Sasuke got MS without killing him but killing Itachi got him it but Itachi definenttly not Sasukes best friend
Which still begs the question, where the fuck did the rinnegan eyeballs come from.
And the skills of Tobi and Orochimaru are different... If Orochimaru had Tobi's skills, he wouldn't have been pwned on multiple occasions.
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On July 05 2012 13:21 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 13:13 Heh_ wrote:On July 05 2012 13:09 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 13:04 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2012 12:45 Qwyn wrote:On July 05 2012 12:28 Forikorder wrote:Originally Tobi led Pain from the shadows. Honestly it might be Orochimaru, only he set his sights on bigger goals? He never explained why he wanted the Sharingan, though it fits that he might want it for the tentails. um look at what Madara can do who wouldnt want that? Because after he touches him once and places his seal on him, he can teleport to him whenever he wants, probably even inside the perfect sussano as well. even if he does put his seal on Madara it doesnt make Minatos punchs anymore effective, he could just do what Sasuke did against the Raikage and surround himself in a thinner susasno'o or give himself some other armour of flame also i dont think he could telelport inside the Susano'o so easily it jsut wouldnt seem right also i dont think putting his seal on someone is really that easy Except that apparently Tobi can't summon Susano'o...meaning that it is part of the bloodline limit not carried over. presumably Tobi cant summon the Susano'o but then again Tobi also may not have had a best friend handy to kill unlike Orochimaru who had 2 best friends running around to kill besides Sharingan are still hax even without EMS like Kakashis super vortex, Sasukes chakra changing thing, sisuis super genjutsu Lol. If they are the same person is what I'm getting at. And he does have the eyes, except the premise is that they are transplanted. Hmm...wtf. God damnit this makes no sense. Also I thought that you didn't have to kill your best friend in order to activate the Mangyeko. Also he has an "eternal" Sharingan right? i think he does cause all you have to do to make it eternal is spuish 2 different sets of eyes together and the guys got an entire wall of Sharingans and i dont know if its specifically your best friend but i think it has to be someone close to you (like Itachi presumably get his by slaughtering his clan/Sisui and Sasuke got his by killing Itachi) i think it would be possible to steal the eyes of someone with the MS and transplant them to get the eyes It was said that you can only get the Mangekyo by killing your best friend or causing him to (almost) die in some way or another. Eternal Mangekyo is gotten by stealing Mangekyo from someone else. I will say that Tobi isn't Orochimaru. Tobi mentioned he "gave" the rinnegan to Pain (why the fuck would he do that anyway). Pretty sure Orochimaru never possessed the rinnegan, nor had intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets, nor the jutsus, nor whatever else inconsistency you can think of. but Orochimaru was in the area when Nagato got his Rinnegan... also not having intimate knowledge of Uchiha secrets is a point in Orochimarus case since Itachi found Tobi since tobi was sneaking around trying to find out Uchiha secrets and i think there might be some wiggle room in the MS thing since Naruto is Sasukes best friend but Sasuke got MS without killing him but killing Itachi got him it but Itachi definenttly not Sasukes best friend Which still begs the question, where the fuck did the rinnegan eyeballs come from. And the skills of Tobi and Orochimaru are different... If Orochimaru had Tobi's skills, he wouldn't have been pwned on multiple occasions.
well his primary ability to steal peoples bodies and abilities kinds jumps to mind
but ya it really doesnt make that Orochimaru = tobi unless Tobi = Zetsu clone of Orochimaru Tobi =/= original Orochimaru its just not possible unless the Orochimaru we know and love = Zetsu clone
if Tobi was Orochimaru he wouldnt need the Edo Tensei explained to him, personally i think it would take a TON of very mind breaking explanations to explain how tobi is orochimaru and i really dont think thats going to happen but it is sort of set up so you cant really say with 100% certainty its impossible
i wonder if Orochimaru/tobi/madara/someone somehow got some of the sages DNA (or mixed Uchiha with Senju DNA) and injected that into Nagato creating the Rinnegan...
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